View Poll Results: Shoudl the NZ driving age be raised to 18 ?

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    Default Re: Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?

    Well at 15 you can't buy porn, alcohol, get married, have sex, be in full time paid employment, claim unemployment benefit because in the eyes of the law you are a minor you can't even be sent to prison. But and its a big but you can legally buy a car and then go out and kill? Why does this country allow children to drive?

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    Default Re: Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by V1sta View Post
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    That's a brilliant idea! Why not prove to us all how it can be done, by selling your car and only having a scooter.
    Been there, done that V1sta - this was indeed my sole means of transport when I was in my teens. I managed just fine.

    I am now in a different situation - in my forties, with wife and kids, with PLENTY of accident-free kilometres under my belt. I have earned the privilege of having my car licence. And it IS a privilege, not a right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerR View Post
    CONVENIENCE
    free and always available parking, a 30 minute commute down the whole northwestern at rush hour (saving over an hour each way), and 25km per litre on a bad day? plus having a means of transport before turning 18...

    sounds convenient to me... not for everyone though, and you seem especially opposed to the idea

    and again, if you wear gear you dont get wet - plus the obvious safety factor
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    free and always available parking, a 30 minute commute down the whole northwestern at rush hour (saving over an hour each way), and 25km per litre on a bad day? plus having a means of transport before turning 18...

    sounds convenient to me... not for everyone though, and you seem especially opposed to the idea

    and again, if you wear gear you dont get wet - plus the obvious safety factor
    First thing, I made some other statements which you haven't dissagreed on - so I'm going to assume that you have not argument points on that, and I thought of them in the sense it is a reason NOT have to law like what you are suggesting. So obviously they are valid reasons? Please check the other page if you perhaps missed them.

    Ok, I live in a small town - parking is never a problem so I can't comment on this. If all the parks in the main block are taken in town then you need to go a block down the other way and have a 5min walk max.
    My dad used to work in Auckland (and more recently Tauranga), he found issues with parking, so I'm not denying that, that is not a problem. But at least one third of New Zealand, not enough parking would be not applicable so that is a considering factor of changing the laws for everyone, and making an a problem for the others.

    Lastly, safety is STILL and issue. Leather gear (or whatever else motorcycle gear is made out of?) wont stop a tonne car going 100Ks over your neck.
    As explained (and even though I said to read it on the last page, I'll say it again). ADULT DRIVERS ARE A PROBLEM TOO.

    That's my... stuff to say.

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    But also an idea that I've stated before, and on a speech I've written and said for school:
    -Limiting under 18s to a 1.5L car (or less) would save A LOT of problems. I have a 1.5L, judging on how fast it goes at 100Ks on the open road I would estimate it would go 140 - 155 max. Where-as the likes a 3L, which are very common and cheap (I've looked at a few 3Ls, GTOs) they would be able to go 190ks+. So it wouldn't stop all racing and speeding all-together but it sure would solve a lot, without taking away the privilege altogether.

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    Lastly on an offnote, I recently read a report written by Tracy Barnett, she is saying that the "Q generation" often protest things online, but not in real life. Virtual protests will only ever be virtual.
    I agree with what she says to a certain degree. (Not altogether) - I saw something about Bebo on the news tonight and that said the opicite (I can't spell lol sorry).

    But I don't believe anything that is said on here will do anything. (Or much) - I will continue checking/posting due to interest though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    yes and no - a 50cc scooter will not do 100kph
    And the problem with that is? I was under the impression we wanted to stop speeding, not encourage it!

    i didn't say everyone! i said it's better than telling everyone under 18 they can't drive at all!
    Yeah, and going to a "special" school on the other side of town is better than no school at all, so there's no point in complaining

    i'm proof, and so are alot of people - and i never said everyone! infact i specifically said tradespeople and parents would not be suited to bike-only transport - disabled people and people who typically will take clients/luggage obviously would prefer a car.
    Yes, which is why a one size fits all restriction is a fundamentally flawed idea. Yes, it might potentially have a reduction in accidents (questionable), but that is outweighed by the fact everyone, at some point or another, will need the space a car provides.

    where you get the impression that i think everyone can do with only a bike is beyond me
    Because it's what you're saying?

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    Default Re: Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by V1sta View Post
    Because it's what you're saying?
    no it's not!!!!


    i'm saying that IF the driving age is to be raised to 18 to prevent boy racers killing others, there is no need to also raise the riding age. believe me i think the age should stay where it is - while a learner car power restriction is a good start, it's redundant as dangerous driving and speeding are already both offences. you'll always get idiots who break the law, so who's to say they'll drive a car they're restricted to if they intend to go racing, breaking terms of their licence and worse?


    NOWHERE did i say that everyone must ride a bike. nowhere did i say a bike is the perfect transport, all i said is that riders turn out to be more aware drivers and that motorbikes are very well suited to a typical city commute without luggage.

    obviously i cannot make the claim that bikes are good for luggage, i cannot argue a bike is less dangerous than a car, and i never intended to say bikes are well suited to the whole population.

    but i bet if many (not all) people actually looked at them seriously (which you obviously haven't), they'd find they aren't so horrible after all. some people obviously never will, and many have strong feelings (read: prejudice) against bikes (which have always been a mystery to me)



    *scooters can't do 100kph, and most can barely manage 70... if you hadn't noticed 100kph is not speeding when in a 100kph zone whereas 70kph on the motorway/highway is downright asking for trouble
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    Default Re: Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by V1sta View Post
    Yes, which is why a one size fits all restriction is a fundamentally flawed idea. Yes, it might potentially have a reduction in accidents (questionable), but that is outweighed by the fact everyone, at some point or another, will need the space a car provides.
    obviously you missed my point about how with petrol (and for some, parking) prices as they are it actually works out cheaper to own both a car and a bike (obviously a general statement to which there will be exceptions)

    and needing the space of a car is arguable; nothing i've needed that couldn't be done on the bike couldn't have been couriered or simply loaded into the back of a mates car seeing as we're headed for the same LAN event and go halves on the petrol. is it really economical to own a car that you only actually need for only 1 in every 100 trips
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    Default Re: Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?

    oh, and if i missed a point to argue, either it's correct, i dont care, or i'm too busy with everything else to notice

    and then there's the threads where one just has to give up talking to a brick wall
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    @gary67: "Why does this country allow children to drive?"

    My understanding is that it is an historical reason, back in the day farmers were short of labour and if the children could handle a motor vehicle it would have been useful on the farm, not the least if they could drive a tractor.

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    Default Re: Should the driving age be raised to 18 ?

    Just to come into this thread late and give a youth opinion.

    I only got my (learner) license the other month (October) and I will admit I have a pretty fast car for my first car (1800cc Nissan Pulsar GTI) but and I know some of you anti-kids-on-roads will probably not believe me or whatever, but I have no interest in speeding on the road.

    Sure, it might change when I get my restricted and can drive by myself, because lets face it, there's no way a 15 year old can say "I'm never going to speed" but I bless the fact that I do motocross. It's taught me speed is for tracks (and dirt ). If I want to speed in my car, I will go hire out Ruapuna race way and do some laps of that.

    And in all honesty, it would not bother me if the driving age was raised to 18 (before I got my license). I have more important things to worry about at this stage of my life, and a mountain bike can prove effective and cheap.

    I have a bunch of mates that carry passengers on learners/restricted, speed and lets face it, try to show off to their friends. I would never (and never have) get in the car with an unexperienced driver. A life is not worth a ride home. And I think it's going to take a life of someone the driver knows to realize speed kills and that on your restricted you're not allowed to take passengers (with exceptions) for a reason.

    But now I'm just starting to babel on.... But that's just my opinion - raise the driving age to 18, it may not affect me anymore, but may save the lives of people I know, let alone me.

    Clap for anyone who reads all that.

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