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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    So, what do we do with 12 year olds doing adult crimes ?
    Surely this person cannot be simply handed back to parents/caregivers .
    A tricky one.
    If Oranga Tamariki was any use, but they're not.
    Or the old boys homes. BUt they weren't.

    Jail? They'll be educated by the other criminals and come out worse.
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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by piroska View Post
    A tricky one.

    Jail? They'll be educated by the other criminals and come out worse.
    They will already be associating with adult criminals , or soon will be .
    I bet they are well on their way to being adult criminals regardless.

    I dont see that they can be saved or turn their lives around by doing what we do now .
    Their used to be a military style camp for these young offenders , run by volunteers . It gave them some discipline and they were actually used to help out in the community , giving them some pride & purpose
    That SEEMED to be working for some of them , but was shut down because of so called 'abuse' (rough treatment) .

    Some of these young crims will actually taunt the cops into a car chase , they know they cant be touched if caught .

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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    I think THIS may work.
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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    That's more like it.

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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    Their used to be a military style camp for these young offenders , run by volunteers . It gave them some discipline and they were actually used to help out in the community , giving them some pride & purpose
    That SEEMED to be working for some of them .
    It didn't work actually.
    Bullying them tended to make them somewhat pissed off, funnily.

    Some of it is showing off as this idiot stated:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/napier...6QVBSUD6QSYDE/




    A driver who accelerated away from a traffic stop with a police officer hanging out of his car door has been given 200 hours of community work.

    Abbas Salem Joumaah, 27, was also disqualified from driving for eight months.

    "All I can say is that you are very, very lucky that you are not facing more serious charges, if the officer had fallen out," Judge Geoff Rea told Joumaah in the Napier District Court today .

    Joumaah was being sentenced on four charges: operating a motor vehicle with a sustained loss of traction, obstructing police, resisting police and reckless driving.

    Police prosecutor Alistair Todd said Joumaah was driving his BMW northeast along Taradale Road, Napier, shortly before 10pm on February 5 when he accelerated heavily at a roundabout, losing traction.

    He was pulled over by an officer who put on his red and blue lights, and who then asked Joumaah to surrender his keys.

    When Joumaah refused, he was warned that he would be arrested for obstruction.

    He still refused and the constable put handcuffs on Joumaah's right wrist.

    As he did so, Joumaah pulled the constable into the car and began driving off down the road with the officer's legs hanging out the car door.

    The constable repeatedly asked him to stop the car.

    "The defendant refused and began weaving across the road and accelerating heavily," Todd said.

    The constable was able to stop Joumaah "after a brief struggle".

    When police asked Joumaah for an explanation, he said he did it "because Breanna was there watching".

    In imposing the community work sentence, Judge Rea said 200 hours was a lot "but it needs to be imposed to reflect to you and others that you cannot behave in the way that you did".

    The court was told that Joumaah had written a letter of apology to the police officer.
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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    I think there are some of you who understand the old “Compulsory Military Training”.

    You came out with a totally different point of view, regardless of how tough you thought you were.
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    Default Re: what do we do with 12year old criminals

    The solution isn't what to do with the children, the solution is preventing criminals from breeding in the first place...
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