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    Jeff:

    Cumulative covid deaths:

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...-deaths-region

    If we were coping as a group the deaths would be getting less as time went on but they are increasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    zqwerty and tweak'e where are people dying in large numbers? The only place I have seen this happening was in New York where their idiot governor put infected people into rest homes.
    Also tweak'e how to you know all the people opposing the vaccine are anti-vaccinators? For all you know they are only against this vaccine but it is easier just to lump them in with those loony anti-vaccinators because reasons. Why bother to find out. Just like our PM saying that every NZer disagrees with the protesters, how does she know, has she asked every NZer? It is easier just to make a blanket statement these days because most people are too lazy to check for themselves and the government/vaccine simps will fall over themselves to defend it.
    Some of those protesting were anti-mandate and I saw signs about the media, so only logically that means they are all anti-vaccinators.

    But we got to have a scapegoat don't we. So we don't have to admit that we may have got it wrong.

    So when are you lot going to demand that all unvaccinated persons are rounded up and "removed" from society? Hasn't something like that happened before?
    When are you lot going to demand the removal of our freedom of speech to stop people questioning the vaccine or anything else you don't agree with?
    What other rights do you want removed because you find them inconvenient?
    Jeff, do not waste your time trying to change the minds of those who are convinced that they are always right and all others must therefore be idiots and must also always be wrong. That particularly applies the the ones here that forget what they have posted in the past and twist any new information around to fit what they have personally decided is the only true belief. If that sounds to anyone like religious belief that is because that is exactly what they have become.

    I cannot understand why anyone who has been vaccinated should be so terrified of anyone who has not. Logically it should be the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    zqwerty and tweak'e where are people dying in large numbers? The only place I have seen this happening was in New York where their idiot governor put infected people into rest homes.
    what do you call large numbers. no doubt you will claim any number is "small" because of "reasons".
    Also tweak'e how to you know all the people opposing the vaccine are anti-vaccinators? For all you know they are only against this vaccine but it is easier just to lump them in with those loony anti-vaccinators because reasons.
    its impossible to be against something and not be against something. its either 1 or 0.
    Why bother to find out. Just like our PM saying that every NZer disagrees with the protesters, how does she know, has she asked every NZer? It is easier just to make a blanket statement these days because most people are too lazy to check for themselves and the government/vaccine simps will fall over themselves to defend it.
    Some of those protesting were anti-mandate and I saw signs about the media, so only logically that means they are all anti-vaccinators.
    90% of eligible kiwis have had the jab therefore they are not anti-vax, otherwise they would never have had it.
    anti-mandate is an excuse to hide behind. if they are not anti-vax, then they have had the jab, then mandate does not effect them. the ONLY people the mandate effects is those who oppose vaccinations ie they are anti-vaxers.
    But we got to have a scapegoat don't we. So we don't have to admit that we may have got it wrong.

    So when are you lot going to demand that all unvaccinated persons are rounded up and "removed" from society? Hasn't something like that happened before?
    When are you lot going to demand the removal of our freedom of speech to stop people questioning the vaccine or anything else you don't agree with?
    What other rights do you want removed because you find them inconvenient?
    end of the day 90% of eligible people have shown that they disagree with you and rights of the masses wins over the rights of the minority.
    if you don't like democracy i suggest you move elsewhere.
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    "I cannot understand why anyone who has been vaccinated should be so terrified of anyone who has not. Logically it should be the other way around."

    Because of breakthrough infections of which there are quite a few even with double vaccination hence booster shots coming up as soon as possible.

    It's a numbers game, vaccines just improve your chances of not getting the disease and the more you meet up with people who don't have the illness rather than those who could be infectious the better.

    ie GET VACCINATED ASAP

    some people may die through allergic reaction to the vaccine but more will die if people don't get vaccinated, it's a collective duty we all have as citizens, if we move into a wartime situation you won't have any choice at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveM View Post
    Jeff, do not waste your time trying to change the minds of those who are convinced that they are always right and all others must therefore be idiots and must also always be wrong. That particularly applies the the ones here that forget what they have posted in the past and twist any new information around to fit what they have personally decided is the only true belief. If that sounds to anyone like religious belief that is because that is exactly what they have become.

    I cannot understand why anyone who has been vaccinated should be so terrified of anyone who has not. Logically it should be the other way around.
    yet your the minority, which means you must think 90% of eligible people must be wrong. so you think your the few smart people in the country.
    more likely the minority are the idiots.

    of course you dismiss the fact that vaccinated people reduce the spread by 50-75%. unvaccinated people are the super spreaders, they are the ones that spread it around the most. which is why their activities will be limited, here and overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zqwerty View Post
    Large numbers of people are dying of covid all over the world, some countries are heading into their fifth wave.

    The rights of the majority always over-rule the rights of any minority. I personally am shocked that there are any nurses, teachers, any sort of medical staff or anyone dealing with the public in a helping fashion who are not fully vaccinated, it's unbelievable that people with this level of responsibility should be behaving this way, what on Earth is wrong with them?

    They should be firing anyone who has this status, they are putting everyone in danger.

    For maximum safety of all, everyone barring people with a valid medical condition should all be vaccinated, we need 100% compliance.
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    To get out of the covid situation we as a group find ourselves in , we have to make the correct decisions and not getting the vaccine is obviously just wrong for us all, how can there be a debate over this?

    Everyone needs to be fully vaccinated with booster shot asap
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    Quote Originally Posted by zqwerty View Post
    To get out of the covid situation we as a group find ourselves in , we have to make the correct decisions and not getting the vaccine is obviously just wrong for us all, how can there be a debate over this?

    Everyone needs to be fully vaccinated with booster shot asap
    100% right! Those against are idiots! It's just a numbers game with our little round, crowned, enemy.... the Covid beastie! With 100% vaccinations, we would eliminate it. How can people not see this?

    Covid-19 is a disease of the unvaccinated! Period!

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    I know several people who want the third vaccine and are prepared to wait for it as they don't trust either Pfizer or AZeneca and I can find no fault with their thinking as they are definitely Not anti vax

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary67 View Post
    I know several people who want the third vaccine and are prepared to wait for it as they don't trust either Pfizer or AZeneca and I can find no fault with their thinking as they are definitely Not anti vax
    Another "Cock & Bull" story.
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