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    Default Re: lockdown for unvaccinated

    I can't understand how people who are not vaccinated don't see themselves as islands of vulnerability and a risk to all of those who are vaccinated.

    This is life and death real life not some silly conspiracy theory, if the virus manages to mutate into something more virulent we could be in real trouble with these vulnerable people amongst us.
    It's not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable. The hundred-times-refuted theory of "free will" owes its persistence to this charm alone; some one is always appearing who feels himself strong enough to refute it - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by zqwerty View Post
    I can't understand how people who are not vaccinated don't see themselves as islands of vulnerability and a risk to all of those who are vaccinated.

    This is life and death real life not some silly conspiracy theory, if the virus manages to mutate into something more virulent we could be in real trouble with these vulnerable people amongst us.
    It must be really difficult for you living in such a world of terror. What would you do for entertainment if there was no virus and no climate change for you to be concerned about?

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    There's no dodging climate change but you might get lucky with the virus and miss getting really sick without getting the vaccine, however sooner or later successive waves of variants are going to get you in the long run. The buffer of having a lot of vaccinated people around you will only protect for so long if the virus does not peter out which is not likely since its heritage is a couple of thousand years of battling with the best immune system on Earth, that of the bats, they have both tested each other and refined and "improved" to a fine art where each has been countering the other.

    Now this formidable foe has emerged to infect us, probably quite a big misfortune for the human race as a whole and perhaps history altering.

    The pygmy world-view that mankind has some sort of specific destiny is a mistaken one and not seeing that there is nothing special about our species is not a modern way of viewing where destiny is leading us.

    Try doing some reading around this subject:

    Sociobiology

    Sociobiology is a field of biology that aims to examine and explain social behavior in terms of evolution. It draws from disciplines including psychology, ethology, anthropology, evolution, zoology, archaeology, and population genetics

    "the genes have reasons that reason does not know"
    Last edited by zqwerty; 02-12-2021 at 02:37 PM.
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    Why scientists think the new variant may have emerged in an HIV patient:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...d-hiv-patient/

    Timely and wide-spread vaccination is very important to stop variants.

    The link also mentions vaccine apartheid but in a slightly different to how it was introduced on PressF1.
    Last edited by zqwerty; 02-12-2021 at 05:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveM View Post
    It must be really difficult for you living in such a world of terror. What would you do for entertainment if there was no virus and no climate change for you to be concerned about?
    Don't know about that. I turned 79 a couple of months ago. Still got lots of things to do as I am mentally pretty good still. Getting pretty knackered due to quite a bit of fracture trauma since my 36th year though with quite a loss of mobility and pain. At this age though, dying doesn't scare me. Sometimes I feel I would welcome it. Big difference to being young I feel. In other words, a few more photos to take, sunrises and sunsets to view, good coffee to drink and the love of my good wife. Not scared at all.

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    Remember this is not the vaccine commonly used in NZ, we use Pfizer which has slightly different problems.

    Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59418123

    here's some Pfizer news:

    Pfizer boss: Annual Covid jabs for years to come:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59488848
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenj View Post
    Don't know about that. I turned 79 a couple of months ago. Still got lots of things to do as I am mentally pretty good still. Getting pretty knackered due to quite a bit of fracture trauma since my 36th year though with quite a loss of mobility and pain. At this age though, dying doesn't scare me. Sometimes I feel I would welcome it. Big difference to being young I feel. In other words, a few more photos to take, sunrises and sunsets to view, good coffee to drink and the love of my good wife. Not scared at all.

    Ken
    You have a few years to do to catch up with me Ken. The one thing we can be absolutly certain of is that nobody lives forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveM View Post
    You have a few years to do to catch up with me Ken. The one thing we can be absolutly certain of is that nobody lives forever
    Come to think of it this does seem like a plot from the highlander tv series

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveM View Post
    You have a few years to do to catch up with me Ken. The one thing we can be absolutly certain of is that nobody lives forever
    I have 10 years to catch up to my walking buddy of nearly 25 years! He turns 89 this month and the old bugger still out walks me. He is a good example of enjoying old age.

    Mind you, he admits he has never taken any physical risks in his life. How I would be had I done the same, don't know. I have enjoyed my life so far!

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    Here's some dark humour to lighten the day, from a Telegraph comment thread:

    "It ain’t the coughing that carries you off; it’s the coffin they carry you off in"

    LOL
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