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    I am looking to rebuild my fried old PC.
    It doesn't need to be very grunty, but obviously I want it to be Win11 compatible. The MS requirements say "...and AMD Zen 2 as well as Qualcomm 7 and 8 Series will meet our principles around security and reliability and minimum system requirements for Windows 11."
    My question is: Is "zen 2" the same as "Ryzen 2"?
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    Default Re: Terminology question

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_2

    So no. Zen 2 starts with Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors apparently
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    Default Re: Terminology question

    Quote Originally Posted by KarameaDave View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_2

    So no. Zen 2 starts with Ryzen 3000 series desktop processors apparently
    Right, so Zen 2 is the architecture and Ryzen-xxxx is an implementation of that architecture. I actually had looked at the wiki page you linked to, but I don't know if I was tired or what, but my eyes started glazing over almost as soon as I started reading. I've had another look and it makes a bit more sense this time.
    Thanks.
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    Unless they change it you will likely need a motherboard with a TPM module which isn't that common at the moment. It's going to stop a lot of upgrades if they stick with that requirement.
    A lot of boards have a header but I have no Idea how easy it is to find a module to buy and set it up in BIOS.

    There will likely be workarounds for those willing to do that.
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    Default Re: Terminology question

    Quote Originally Posted by dugimodo View Post
    Unless they change it you will likely need a motherboard with a TPM module which isn't that common at the moment. It's going to stop a lot of upgrades if they stick with that requirement.
    A lot of boards have a header but I have no Idea how easy it is to find a module to buy and set it up in BIOS.

    There will likely be workarounds for those willing to do that.
    Most modern CPUs have fTPM built in, it just tends to be disabled by default. Enabling it should be good enough for Windows 11.
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    Default Re: Terminology question

    I guess that leads to my next question - suggestions for a cheap mATX motherboard that will run Win11. The performance requirements are minimal, and on-board graphics would be fine. I do have a card from the fried PC, but who knows if that works...
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    Default Re: Terminology question

    Windows 10 will still be fully supported until 2025 so there is no need to "build for Windows 11 Compatibility" now - anything you buy now will likely be due for a "refresh" anyway come 2025... so best to build for Windows 10 and then revisit the "Windows 11 ready" question later.

    There is likely going to be a "revision" of minimum requirements... given the current rate of CPU innovation the current generation of Intel and AMD CPUs come 2025 will be where 8th Gen Intel and Ryzen Zen + CPUs are right now... on the cusp of being "below minimum spec" to run Windows 11.

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    Default Re: Terminology question

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefnz View Post
    Windows 10 will still be fully supported until 2025 so there is no need to "build for Windows 11 Compatibility" now - anything you buy now will likely be due for a "refresh" anyway come 2025... so best to build for Windows 10 and then revisit the "Windows 11 ready" question later.

    There is likely going to be a "revision" of minimum requirements... given the current rate of CPU innovation the current generation of Intel and AMD CPUs come 2025 will be where 8th Gen Intel and Ryzen Zen + CPUs are right now... on the cusp of being "below minimum spec" to run Windows 11.
    What you say is true, but this machine is/will be my "messing around" PC. It is replacing the dead one that used to run the Insider builds, so I want to be able to install the Win 11 insider builds now.
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    Default Re: Terminology question

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    What you say is true, but this machine is/will be my "messing around" PC. It is replacing the dead one that used to run the Insider builds, so I want to be able to install the Win 11 insider builds now.
    The Insider Builds are not effected as much by the looks at the moment -- Ran both the Microsoft and whynot11 apps on the insider PC and both said not compatible - more reds than Greens YET What installed on the automatic update ?? Windows 11 insider !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    The Insider Builds are not effected as much by the looks at the moment -- Ran both the Microsoft and whynot11 apps on the insider PC and both said not compatible - more reds than Greens YET What installed on the automatic update ?? Windows 11 insider !!
    I'm proceeding on the basis that if I'm building a new machine, it might as well be specified to use the latest technology.
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