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    Default Re: Building new computer next year. Any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by kiotimak View Post
    As for the important part for gaming being the CPU I have been using an AMD Ryzen 5 2400G for 2 years .
    No!!!

    The GPU!!! The Graphics card, not cpu.
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    Default Re: Building new computer next year. Any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by piroska View Post
    No!!!

    The GPU!!! The Graphics card, not cpu.
    Just adding - The only time the CPU concerns graphics is when you dont have a graphic Card. Real gamer wouldn't be seen dead with onboard graphics only

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    piroska
    Sorry, typo GPU, but the Ryzen 5 2400G APU with AMD Radeon RX Vega 11 Graphics is what I have used for two years. Asus Monitor connected to Asus B450M-A Mobo HDMI. No Display Port on the Mobo.
    The AMD Radeon Sapphire Nitro RX580 is really only used as home theatre to the Samsung Tele.
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    Default Re: Building new computer next year. Any suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    Just adding - The only time the CPU concerns graphics is when you dont have a graphic Card. Real gamer wouldn't be seen dead with onboard graphics only
    wainuitech..... I was pulled up about 4-5 year back here when I said I use onboard graphics and I was told the Mobo doesn't have onboard Graphics, GPU supplies graphics. That was when I had the 1GB EVGA GT210 card. and a 1600Ghz AMD CPU and I thought THAT was Greased lightening
    I like my 2400G .... so it may well be a 3400G coming up in new rig.
    Last edited by kiotimak; 17-12-2020 at 08:57 PM.

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    WHERE can I get the QVL for the ASUS TUF GAMING B550-PLUS Motherboard? I want to know what RAM has been tested and is suitable. Mobo specs say Memory Max Speed is 4600MHz which I will probably never use or buy RAM of thatSpeed.
    Considering buying the AMD Ryzen 5 3400G APU and the RAM speed for that is 2933MHz though 3200MHz can be used OC to get that speed. As I said, I cannot get my GSkill 2933MHz to run above 2400MHz or it BSOD's unstable.
    Some info here on the Ryzen 2 3400G and RAM speed https://forums.tomshardware.com/thre...3400g.3498650/
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    Default Re: Building new computer next year. Any suggestions?

    PCPartPicker is a good place to start for compatible parts

    https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pnq...ming-b550-plus

    QVL Vendor

    https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...sk_QVL_Memory/

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    Lawrence
    Hi. Thanks for the Asus Memory QVL. Seems its all GSkill Trident Z for 3200MHz https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/299/1...14Q-64GTRS-Qvl

    Pricey https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...ddr4-3600-cl16
    Sorry wrong RAM Speed. This one but its RGB https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...ddr4-3600-cl16
    Last edited by kiotimak; 18-12-2020 at 11:35 AM.

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    Default Re: Building new computer next year. Any suggestions?

    That was still the wrong damn link for the 3200MHz RAM. Obviously the link wasn't copied when I clicked it!
    Here it is now https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...200-memory-kit

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    Default Re: Building new computer next year. Any suggestions?

    ok all this goes together and is compatible with each other.

    https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...tx-motherboard $265
    https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...tx-motherboard $229

    https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...thout-heatsink $279

    https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...h-spire-cooler $299

    https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...200-memory-kit $179

    $1022 (or $36 less if get https://www.computerlounge.co.nz/sho...tx-motherboard)
    But that board doesn't OC so cannot alter RAM Speed to 3200MHz.

    It goes $22 over budget and no 750W-850W PSU chosen yet .... cost vary from $215-$290.... say $250.
    Last edited by kiotimak; 18-12-2020 at 03:19 PM.

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    There is "currently" no discernible performance difference between NVMe on PCIe Gen 3 vs PCIe Gen 4. Whilst the Gen 4 platform has theoretically higher speeds, there are very few (if any) NVMe products out there that can reach... let alone sustain those maximums. You also need to keep in mind that the max speeds for NVMe over Gen 4, really only apply to sequential reads and writes (so basically file copy operations). So loading video into apps like Adobe Premier etc or loading games, will not really matter, because the amount and speed of your RAM (and vRAM for games) is more important and relevant for that kind of an operation - i.e. when you are editing or encoding video the more data in memory the faster it will run (that and your CPU of course)... for games it would be how much the GPU can pack into it's own memory - and given shader tech these days, the more modern titles (not to mention DLSS and RTX) help to reduce the amount of data that has to be swapped in and out of main memory as well as the GPU's memory.

    Another "limiting" factor is the chipset of your motherboard:

    For the B550
    20x PCIe Gen 4 lanes
    16x for Graphics
    4x Chipset downlink

    Then a choice of ONE of the following;
    1 x4 NVMe (Gen 4) OR
    2 SATA + x2 NVMe (Gen 4) OR
    2 x2 NVMe Gen 4

    Also the connectivity between the CPU and the B550 Chipset is limited to PCIe 3.0 (x4)



    For X570 it's "slightly" better...kind of
    20 PCIe Gen 4 lanes
    16x for graphics
    4x chipset downlink

    Then a choice of ONE of the following;
    1 x4 NVMe OR
    2x SATA + 1 x2 NVMe (1 less than B550) OR
    2x2 NVMe

    The slightly better part of the X570 is that the connectivity between the CPU and chipset is PCIe Gen 4.

    The X570 also has a few more options in terms of the chipset PCIe lane availability and what can be connected to it.

    Asus PRIME Z370-P
    Core i7-8700K
    Corsair Hydro H100x
    16GB Klevv BOLT X Gaming 3200MHz DDR4
    Intel 660P 512GB M.2 NVMe
    Crucial P1 1TB M.2 NVMe
    Crucial 512GB SSD
    GTX 1660 SUPER OC
    Corsair Crystal 460X
    EVGA SuperNOVA G+ 650W

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