Outlook

[bk T]

because MS can do whatever they want . ..

And now, they may want to buy TikTok, under Trump's instructions.

[wainuitech]

And now, they may want to buy TikTok, under Trump's instructions.

Trump wants Tik Tok US owned so he thinks he'll have more power over it. He has and never will get over the fact that in June thousands of tickets were registered by teens but didn't show up in an effort to embarrass him at his campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

AND it worked

[fred_fish]

Outlook (the application) is really a PIM with a shitty mail client bolted on.

[1101]

Outlook (the application) is really a PIM with a shitty mail client bolted on.

Compared to the bug riddled alternatives ?? ...
cough cough Tbird font bugs, 9 years and still not all fixed


Outlook is THE BEST email client . Its VERY powerfull when used with exchange , nothing else comes close in a business environment .
Business's were the original market for Outlook, thats why the home versions of Office didnt have it . MS had/have other products for home use

Pst's created with the first outlook are easily imported or opened on the latest Outlook . Easily imported/exported , and everything is in that 1 file, email, contacts , cal . No messing around with CSV's etc
No havng to worry about your email client becoming obselete & unsupported with no upgrade path & no way to export to another program (Ive had that with other email clients)

[fred_fish]

Compared to the bug riddled alternatives ?? ...
cough cough Tbird font bugs, 9 years and still not all fixed

Never had any font issues, but maybe I'm not trying to be too fancy with my email formatting.
I'm sure there are a bunch of outstanding bugs you can point at, but that's because it's an open source project and the bug lists are public - just because you can't see the Outlook list of bugs doesn't mean there aren't any...

Outlook is THE BEST email client .

It's THE BEST Exchange client - but that's different to being an email client.

Its VERY powerfull when used with exchange ,

Agree, provided you have some competent Exchange admins and sufficient budget. It's main strength in this space is the shared PIM features, but a CardDAV/CalDAV server with other clients fills this gap well too.

nothing else comes close in a business environment .

...if your business has only fairly basic email needs and even then, that's debatable.

It's reasonably competent with "single user" POP based setups, as well as mailing and sharing mailboxes via Exchange, but still struggles with any real volume and also has a tendency to randomly switch outbound formatting from html to "rich text" and stuff all formatting and attachments into a winmail.dat file which is of no use to any recipients not also running outlook.

And let me know when it supports IMAP in any sort of usable fashion.
Our staff using Thunderbird collaborate using hundreds of shared active job folders, organised with IMAP ACL's, containing ~80k mails most of the time, and regularly search and display mail from archives approaching another 500k mails.
Outlook falls flat on it's face when exposed to such mailboxes.

The (typically sales) Outlook users ("we like it"...) are the only ones ever needing support for email issues (usually "Joe XX can't read the email attachments I sent him", but also "I can't see half my emails", or just emails between certain dates, and such weirdness, even when they exist in the IMAP mailbox and appear perfectly in any other client. Broken PST files have also claimed a couple of "locally silo'd" contact lists, but your typical Outlook user doesn't usually consider such esoteric things as backups either.

Several have switched - one because she needs the info that Outlook can't display, and one because numerous Office reinstalls and IT visits couldn't stop Outlook crashing every half hour on that machine.

Pst's created with the first outlook are easily imported or opened on the latest Outlook . Easily imported/exported , and everything is in that 1 file, email, contacts , cal . No messing around with CSV's etc

The flip side to that is that if anything happens to that one (proprietary, closed spec, binary) file, you loose the lot.
At least Tbird's storage is open standard and text based. Any text parsing tools can extract your data - you can even read it directly with Notepad.

No havng to worry about your email client becoming obselete & unsupported with no upgrade path & no way to export to another program

yeah, Microsoft would never do anything like that ... well, probably not without selling you the new "solution" anyway.

If it works for you, great, but I certainly couldn't rely on it for our use case and also couldn't recommend it to anybody (well, maybe our competitors ... ).

On the other hand, if I was selling it as part of a 'lock-in" ecosystem, to people who didn't know any better, it would be just the thing!

[wainuitech]

The previous comment is funny.

Several have switched - one because she needs the info that Outlook can't display, and one because numerous Office reinstalls and IT visits couldn't stop Outlook crashing every half hour on that machine.

Maybe the IT people actually need to fix the computer in the first place. Seen it 100's of times some IT places put "patches" on to get things going again, instead of solving the problem. Sometimes its because the users cant be without it, but they sometimes need a firm hand.

[fred_fish]

The previous comment is funny.

Maybe the IT people actually need to fix the computer in the first place. Seen it 100's of times some IT places put "patches" on to get things going again, instead of solving the problem. Sometimes its because the users cant be without it, but they sometimes need a firm hand.

Yeah, there is something wrong somewhere, but that is (still) the only symptom - unable to run Outlook.
Everything else checks out fine and no other issues with the machine whatsoever - all other Office apps fine ...
A wipe and fresh install was the next option, but that wasn't feasible at the time.
Turns out the user is much happier with Thunderbird, so they decided to leave it at that

[wainuitech]

Yeah, there is something wrong somewhere, but that is (still) the only symptom - unable to run Outlook.
Everything else checks out fine and no other issues with the machine whatsoever - all other Office apps fine ...
A wipe and fresh install was the next option, but that wasn't feasible at the time.
Turns out the user is much happier with Thunderbird, so they decided to leave it at that

Got a similar customer PC right now, No PDF's would print, after trying to completely remove the HP printer drivers ( its only W10 HOME) so not all options are available as per Professional, as its something to do with the Printer. All other documents of any type work fine. Even tried different PDF programs but all do the same thing.

After installing fresh drivers and triple checking he settings, now at least Half of them print, the problem is when selecting Tray 2 (A3) it still sends it to tray 1 (A4) But the Gotya is it only does it on some PDF's, others print fine. The same PDF on another computer will print as it should.

After trying to sort it for close to two hours advised a complete reinstall, there's not a lot on the computer as they mainly work from a server via remote desktop, so the computer is really acting as a terminal and will be quicker to reinstall than try and fix something that could take days to track down. The damn weird part is its only some PDF's, not all. Grrrrrrr

[fred_fish]

Another one bites the dust.

Another one of our Aussie Sales Managers finally ditched Outlook today (was a die hard "Outlooker" from way back).
Quote: "I'm sick of this **** - I can't keep loosing a day's work because of this ******* thing not working, set me up with Thunderbird again".

Symptoms:
Send/Receive synching inbox forever in background making response slow - can still read existing mail/contacts etc.
Sending a mail results in Outlook "not responding" requiring an 'End Task'.
None of this generates any connections to the server, and all other connectivity tests are fine.
Trying to check Inbox or Datafile properties from the folder list also hangs the process, as does trying to export data or move mail out of the inbox.

Have seen this before (3rd time for this guy - on 2 different laptops) and seems to be a broken .ost file - reinstalling and trying to re-use it fails - deleting it and starting fresh works - reinstall or not (and no, scanpst and other such tools cannot be used on an .ost...).
This, however, requires resynching ~50G of data (b/c OL must have it all locally or you can't see it) which, on Sydney's 3rd world internet, takes days.

Thunderbird (already on the PC from the last time this happened in March) started and updated itself (~30sec) connected to our server and sync'd the last 4 months mail from all folders (headers only) and calendar and contact changes (~60 secs) and ready to go...

[CliveM]

Same guy 3 times on 2 different devices. Nobody else having the problem, Maybe it has something to do with the user.