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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by baabits View Post
    This is a statistic? Or are you just pulling it from thin air again?

    I hope that if you ever reach a low point (if you haven't already) in your life that someone is not so cruel to you either.
    what reasons do people have for coming back?
    those who where on holiday should all be back by now. those who have gotten stuck, i'm more than happy for govt to pay to get them home.
    but a lot are coming back because their jobs are gone and no welfare. go home or be on the streets.
    however most of those where out of work quite some time ago, so most of those should be back already.
    so what does that leave us? people who want to come back but don't really need to. why should we be subsiding them when they can stick it out in their existing homes.
    decision time was many months ago, time is running out. if they are not back soon they will be treated like everyone else.

    remember no one has said they are stopping any kiwi from coming home, but like a lot of countries you need to go through their disease control and pay for it like they normally do. only difference here is the disease control is expensive.

    low point in my life, been there done that. riding out covid in some other country is a piece of cake. (btw victim support is a joke and life is cruel. but i survived)
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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    So they come back , then will leave in a year or so, leaving us with the bill .
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    exactly.
    many will ride covid out here then go back to their life overseas. they have no life here, no intention to stay.
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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    Its the NZ way . Im not paying, make the govt pay (you and me)
    So they come back , then will leave in a year or so, leaving us with the bill .

    That expense is 100% people arriving from overseas. They obviously should be the ones paying for this. They are the ones bringing the risk of Covid .
    Its not as if we are asking a lot. $3K is less than many student loans , its less than what many paid for their holiday .
    And that money should be paid before they are allowed to leave again, as many will do in a year or so. The trip back to NZ will be temporary for many of them.
    You're not asking, you're forcing people have a two week stint locked in a hotel which they never asked for and then forcing them to pay for it too.

    If the logic is people are just going to leave and stiff the government with the bill then it seems to be a small price to pay for ensuring that every case that comes through the border is caught.

    Do you seriously think quarantine is comparable to a student loan or people going on holiday? The total estimated cost is less than a quarter of what the country pays out in foreign aid over three years.

    I don't think that's the Kiwi way at all. It's surprising how many people seem to have such a low view of our country and fellow NZ'ers, expat or not.
    Last edited by baabits; 21-07-2020 at 02:45 PM. Reason: sorry I got the statistic wrong. edited

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by baabits View Post
    You're not asking, you're forcing people have a two week stint locked in a hotel which they never asked for and then forcing them to pay for it too.
    No one is being FORCED to come back to NZ .
    We arnt asking alot, $3k is pretty reasonable.

    They came back only when things became too hard for them overseas. When things were sweet they werent overly interested in NZ .
    Well things are about to get just as hard in NZ as they are overseas.
    NZ doesnt have the money to spare .
    NZ needs to start making some tough decisions .

    Its not alot to ask, pay your way. Thats all we ask.
    They'll be gone again in year or 2 , we'll be left with the bills .

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ional-proposed
    "The Government have forecast the total cost of the scheme will be around half a billion dollars by the end of 2020."

    half a billion .
    So Yeah, lets not ask them to pay a piddling $3k.

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by baabits View Post
    You're not asking, you're forcing people
    Good plan. They can take the gun held to their heads making them return to NZ and sell it at one of Tinkerbell's buyback days to recoup some of the 3k.

    Knew we would get it sorted. Now, about that foreign aid ...

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Covic 19 hasn't run its course yet. But this thread certainly has, give it a rest please it's becoming repetitive.

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Another news article saying Covid is a serious problem:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...KCN24L2BE?il=0
    It's not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable. The hundred-times-refuted theory of "free will" owes its persistence to this charm alone; some one is always appearing who feels himself strong enough to refute it - Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    No one is being FORCED to come back to NZ .
    We arnt asking alot, $3k is pretty reasonable.

    They came back only when things became too hard for them overseas. When things were sweet they werent overly interested in NZ .
    Well things are about to get just as hard in NZ as they are overseas.
    NZ doesnt have the money to spare .
    NZ needs to start making some tough decisions .

    Its not alot to ask, pay your way. Thats all we ask.
    They'll be gone again in year or 2 , we'll be left with the bills .
    You're wrong about not being forced to come back. A lot are. Here in the US I've seen multiple people with visa renewals denied due to CoVID and similar things are happening all over the place.

    $3k isn't reasonable because being forced to stay in a hotel when there are cheaper options (we originally quarantined at motorhomes on army sites) available isn't reasonable.

    And if we're talking about people returning who have little to nothing a $3k bill is grand way to welcome them back with a slap in the face.

    I'm done going round and round in circles, will just leave it there.

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    Default Re: Charging expats for quarantine

    Quote Originally Posted by zqwerty View Post
    Another news article saying Covid is a serious problem:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...KCN24L2BE?il=0
    yes. people just don't understand the situation and are only now realizing its a long term thing. hence why they want to flee to a safe haven like nz.
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