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    Default Re: W10 v 1903 Windows Defender a PITA

    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    Aint that the truth.

    Seen quit a few Third party AV's not turn off Defender.

    Hmmmmm while no AV is perfect, they should stop at least some.
    Example = not a good result from Comodo
    wainuitech, shame I didn't use Comodo to do the scan after the crap happened. It would have found the crap. But you are saying/deriding Comodo I use because it let 476 infections into my computer. Yep it did...perhaps it was rendered inactive...... in fact I think I had turned off AV and disabled Auto Containment, not quite sure about having done that or not now

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    I have used Comodo Internet Security for at least 8 years and not had a problem with it. Yeah all AV's cannot detect everything and that is why I have MalwareBytes because it gets into places to seek out malware that has slipped past the AV. I know you don't like Malwarebytes and I am using the Free Version, I don't have Real Time Protection, but I can change that in a few keyboard strokes and mouse clicks.
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    Default Re: W10 v 1903 Windows Defender a PITA

    Quote Originally Posted by kioti View Post
    1101, I used Eset Nod 32 10 year ago and because it had locked up stuff I couldn't do system restore. Ok so WHAT AV you plugging?
    I must be reading different reviews to those that you are.
    Eset was doing its job by protecting files, when running system restore it pays to disable any AV, other wise locked files will stay locked.

    you cant really go by reviews, as many of them will say different things. Read one review and it will say its good, another says the oppersite, and how do you know they aren't fake ? Like the Total AV, Most other antimalweare programs will pick it up as an infections.

    By your own post you said
    used MalwareBytes to scan. Well, I now had 476 infections! PUP's, trojan droppers and all sorts of crap
    If classing an AV good and it misses all that - well get what you deserve I guess.

    I've seen many computers with programs like Avast, AVG etc riddled, remove them and when Defender kicks back in it picks the infections right away.

    NOTHING is perfect, it can also depend on how its setup ( or not in many cases) as to how well it will protect.

    One funny customers once complained that Nod32 was stopping him going to certain porn sites He got around it by disabling Nod32, doing what ever, then turn nod back on again and scan to remove the infections -- Takes all sorts I guess
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    Default Re: W10 v 1903 Windows Defender a PITA

    Quote Originally Posted by kioti View Post
    1101, I used Eset Nod 32 10 year ago and because it had locked up stuff I couldn't do system restore. Ok so WHAT AV you plugging?
    I must be reading different reviews to those that you are.

    Not plugging anything . Just saying AV choice often based on personal bias rather than performance .

    Nod is not the same as it was 10 years ago. No Av is . Even then Ive never seen NOD cause system restore issues , that would be a symptom rather than cause .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kioti View Post
    . I know you don't like Malwarebytes and I am using the Free Version, I don't have Real Time Protection, but I can change that in a few keyboard strokes and mouse clicks.
    I don't install or Use malwarebytes as a installed program any more, BUT I do still use the Windows Repair Toolbox, along with AdwCleaner, Zemana, and others. As a last resort I may install malwarebytes but its removed afterwards as well. WHY ?? seen to many problems with it. It used to be really good, then like everything they tried to make it better and it doesn't work as well.

    On my own computers I will run the stand alone various antimalware every so often from the Toolkit, and it never finds anything. Once every other month I will also run EEK https://www.emsisoft.com/en/home/emergencykit/ Again its portable, doesn't install.

    Again never finds anything, so if 4 separate antimalware programs don't find anything (apart from whats in Nods got quarantined ) then guess Nods doing its job eh

    I think it would be fair to say I'd more than likely visit a LOT more tech sites than the average user, and a LOT have auto downloads, or some sort of nasty , looking at Nods logs it works fine and actually stops the nastiest from even downloading

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    Some programs it will stop as well, WHY ?? because it scans as they download, any known bad stuff BANG -- Got it, any known dangerous site -- Stops them from loading. Eg: Fake driver sites
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    Not plugging anything . Just saying AV choice often based on personal bias rather than performance .

    Nod is not the same as it was 10 years ago. No Av is . Even then Ive never seen NOD cause system restore issues , that would be a symptom rather than cause .
    Quote Originally Posted by 1101 View Post
    Not plugging anything . Just saying AV choice often based on personal bias rather than performance .

    Nod is not the same as it was 10 years ago. No Av is . Even then I've never seen NOD cause system restore issues , that would be a symptom rather than cause .
    1101 yeah yeah yay! Well I have had System Restore not complete because " and it lists all the missing files necessary to do the restore" and it always said that the file was quarantined by NOD 32. And Geeeeeeeez it was a puta to figure out and use! Hell I'm just a poor boy, from a poor family, sharing my life with my Whoa-man SOS- City...aka Avast free Home....or AVG Free. Clickbaited into getting a Freebie AV Installed and Go! HA HA. that was back in my W7x64 Pro days.
    I have been using Comodo AV since 2008 and started using the Internet Security since 3-4 year ago, and it has always done a good job of keeping crap out of my computer. I cannot explain why it didn't find the crap bundled in that Driver Max apart from I think I had it disabled when I DL'd and installed the app-crap. Because as said, once it was installed and had performed a scan and i opted to get the keyboard driver all hell broke loose after it had spent 5 minutes "checking my PC" before the driver was installed and once it was installed all hell broke loose. I was then I did the MBam scan and got the 476 infections notification that I got rid of, and then finding in Revo Uninstaller Pro that had Avast installed!Ho hum. Maybe that's why the "checking my PC" took 5 minutes to see that my PC was OK for the driver that Driver Max said I needed ....5 mins installing all that bundled crap while I had no AV active. Just a thought.
    Sigh.............. now I do have Eset IS 10.0.386.0 tucked away in a Programs folder I have on an external HDD.. it is 2-3 years old version...and I could uninstal Comodo and instal Eset and give it a second chance, or DL the 1 month Trial of the latest version and use that for a month. Of course I won't be able to disable it in anyway when I do a Dload...........hahahaha...... gee I never had these Screaming warnings and flashing lights when I used W7 WITH Defender active and Comodo IS running with nothing disabled! I wondering if MS's W10 is fast becoming a Private Organized "We gonna decide WHAT you can and can't do" platform...kinda like Tromp and his giving free-license to Barr to "LOCK UP ALL WHO DEFY ME!
    Wouldn't surprise me at all...seeing the two in bed 'Sleeping Partners' MS and Intel have no qualms about Intel designing PC Games specifically for THEIR HWare so that the 'Tests' that they do showing the superiority of their latest "iSpy with my little eye" CPU over ALL other CPU manufacturers used to compare the latest Game developed by Intel ... a designer and manufacturer of the worlds most Expensive CPU's! Since when did Intel become a mainstream Computer Game developer?
    hahahhaha have a nice day
    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    I don't install or Use malwarebytes as a installed program any more, BUT I do still use the Windows Repair Toolbox, along with AdwCleaner, Zemana, and others. As a last resort I may install malwarebytes but its removed afterwards as well. WHY ?? seen to many problems with it. It used to be really good, then like everything they tried to make it better and it doesn't work as well.

    On my own computers I will run the stand alone various antimalware every so often from the Toolkit, and it never finds anything. Once every other month I will also run EEK https://www.emsisoft.com/en/home/emergencykit/ Again its portable, doesn't install.

    Again never finds anything, so if 4 separate antimalware programs don't find anything (apart from whats in Nods got quarantined ) then guess Nods doing its job eh

    I think it would be fair to say I'd more than likely visit a LOT more tech sites than the average user, and a LOT have auto downloads, or some sort of nasty , looking at Nods logs it works fine and actually stops the nastiest from even downloading

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    Some programs it will stop as well, WHY ?? because it scans as they download, any known bad stuff BANG -- Got it, any known dangerous site -- Stops them from loading. Eg: Fake driver sites
    wainuitech...hi
    I made the mention about your not liking MBAM because I read a couple month back a comment you made about it not being now as effective what it was a while back and you said that you now use the Windows Repair Toolbox because it has virtually all that is required in it. I DL'd the Repair Toolkit but do not have it installed (if it does instal...it may be Mobile version I have) and I also have Zemana, RKill, Adaware and a couple others and in all honesty I haven't used them for yonks because I have had no need to so do. That driver Max I installed was for no other reason than to do a scan and see what it showed was outa date.... unfortunately I chose to update one driver from the list of 13 it showed. I already have a Driver Finder app that I used to do scan and never used it to instal any driver it found needed updating. I used it to see what it found and then I would go to the site of the software/hardware manufactures and get it...which I never did because they were Chipset Drivers and AMD PSP10 or PSP2 drivers/firmware and I was not going to be leaping into any of that chipset changing. A BIOS Update will do that and just might get my 2933MHz Ram running at that speed and not the 2400MHz it is defaulted to be because upping the speed in BIOS (UEFI) creates unstable system result and my PC fails to Boot....or Boots and 2-3 mins later BSOD's and shuts down
    As I said to 1101, I have Eset IS v 10.0.386.0 tucked away from a few year back and I could out Comodo and give it or the latest Month Trial of it a run........ see what it is like and if I still need a PhD in Computer AV-ware to understand and use it.
    ps: course, I could just get Eset AV and use Windows Defender as Firewall. Two bears to bug me and unbug my PC
    cheers...have a nice day
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