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    If this wasn't so sad --- it'd be funny, if one has a morbid sense of humor.............

    From the (un)Great State Of New Jersey, US of A:


    New Jersey residents could soon be hit with what Republicans are calling a "rain tax," if Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy signs newly passed legislation.

    The bill, approved by the New Jersey Assembly and the Senate, would allow municipalities to create utilities that can collect fees from homeowners and business owners that have large paved surfaces, like driveways and parking lots. During storms, rainwater mixes with pollutants on those surfaces before running into sewers and drains. The funding from the fees could be used for upgrades to reduce the impact on the environment.

    NEW JERSEY COULD TAX TAP WATER UNDER DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER'S PLAN

    “With all the salt that we’ve had on roads recently, that’s all running into the sewer systems, so you can’t ignore the problems because they don’t go away,” Senate President Steve Sweeney told CBS New York.


    State Sen. Richard Codey called the legislation necessary, telling CBS New York that the state’s economy is based on the shore.

    “We gotta make sure we keep it that way,” he said.

    But Republicans have blasted the plan, dubbing it a “rain tax,” and complaining the state already has implemented too many costs on residents.

    “We all want to protect our environment. We all want to preserve it for future generations, but this is a weighted tax,” Sen. Tom Kean Jr. told CBS New York. “The citizens of New Jersey…really [have] no way to defend themselves against tax increases at local levels.”

    NJ TO ALLOCATE $2.1 MILLION FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FACING DEPORTATION, GOVERNOR SAYS

    The bill would establish a “Clean Stormwater and Floor Reduction Fund,” which would be used for stormwater utilities in the state, as well as water quality monitoring, pollution reduction projects and outreach programs, according to the legislation.

    “Under the bill, a county, municipality, or authority (local unit) that establishes a stormwater utility is authorized to charge and collect reasonable fees and other charges to recover the stormwater utility’s costs for stormwater management,” the bill reads.


    The bill would allow the utilities to go after people who don't pay and charge interest on unpaid fees, effectively constituting a tax lien—the same method used on delinquent property taxes.

    The governor’s office told Fox News on Wednesday that they would not comment on the pending legislation, when asked if Murphy would sign the bill. But local reports suggest Murphy will sign the legislation.


    I figger that as far South as I have gone so far, I may now get a break in bad fortune
    until the rest of the world catches up with me.

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    Bloody great idea, their homes and businesses are creating the problem so why shouldn't they part fund the solution. I have zero paved areas on our 10 acre block, all rainwater goes into the ground to help everything grow.

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    Default Re: Socialism 201-A

    Quote Originally Posted by gary67 View Post
    Bloody great idea, their homes and businesses are creating the problem so why shouldn't they part fund the solution. I have zero paved areas on our 10 acre block, all rainwater goes into the ground to help everything grow.
    Yeah, Gary .. you have the luxury of a 10 "acre" (?) block with few buildings on it I surmise.

    In Auckland (still part of NZ), in fill housing means more paved areas - the catchment area is increasingly covered with roads, foot paths, and roofs. End result is a massive strain on the drainage infrastructure ... that rainwater is unable to soak into the ground and has to go somewhere.

    So I agree - a good case for user pays. Some forward thinking lifestyle blocks already have requirements for systems providing a graduated release of collected rainwater into the natural waterways.

    Hanmer doesn't have these problems (says he enviously)
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    Hanmer also has a crap water supply for the township. It has tanks on the hill behind town filled from the Rogerson river, however the cheapskates who originally put them in didn't build a proper platform for them so they can only ever be half filled. At the moment where the Rogerson passes under our road you could cross it without getting your laces wet.

    Currently a house under construction, 2 sheds under 10m2 each but close together all with water catchment and a tiny house that will be sold once the main house is finished. We want to do a solar grid tied system too but that will have to wait as can't fit it into the current budget.

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