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    Default Weird Science: Another Easter Island mystery solved

    The later part of the article is very interesting:

    "But are planets with sustainable civilisations also something the universe contains?

    Or does every civilisation that may have arisen in the cosmos last only a few centuries before it falls to the climate change it triggers?"

    "The laws of physics demand that any young population, building an energy-intensive civilisation like ours, is going to have feedback on its planet."

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12066202
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    Aha!! So the PermianĖTriassic extinction event was caused by smartypants creatures screwing the environment then.

    That will learn them....
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    I don't think these things, therapsids or “protomammals” that ruled the planet long before the first dinosaurs over 250 million years ago, were intelligent enough to have any technology that would bring on Global Warming.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...-a8390251.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by zqwerty View Post
    I don't think these things, therapsids or “protomammals” that ruled the planet long before the first dinosaurs over 250 million years ago, were intelligent enough
    And how do we know?
    It was so long ago what we do know is mostly guesswork from fossils. Fossils don't tell you an awful lot.

    As for intelligent, we base that on ourselves. We think we're intelligent and a sign of that is to concrete over the grass, chop down the forests and jungles and breed like flies.
    All the while fighting over concepts such as newage BS, the invisible beings in the skys rules, skin colour and so on.

    In 250 million years, do you think there'd be much left to show a lot about us if we died out tomorrow? It's a long time....continents drift, mountain ranges arise, seas rise and fall. It's not just a bit of dust and rubble.
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    I use the definition of intelligence as the ability to understand. If you're well informed through reading, studying, thinking and philosophy it is surprising how much as a group humans do understand about the Universe, how it came about, where it is going to, the problem is that there are too many stupid humans and they're breeding like flies. Our biggest problem is overpopulation.

    As for anything before us being intelligent in the way we are, for very good reasons you need, opposing thumbs, binocular vision from eyes pointed straight ahead, walking on two legs upright so that your head is up above the heat of the ground and you can keep a large brain cool with adequate blood supply and many other reasons.

    I daresay that anything that develops intelligence will look like us and not the monsters of the past, dogs are surprisingly clever but they can't compare with most of us lol.
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    The point I took from the article is that it is possible that the reason we haven't been visited by extraterrestrials or that they even exist is that the inevitability of causing climate change on any suitable planet for intelligent life is that the very existence of technological capability to go off world is the trigger for disastrous global warming which overwhelms the aspiring civilization and this is a consequence of physics and not under the intelligent beings control.
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    It's a big assumption that other life forms would have the same self destructive tendencies we do. Maybe somewhere there's a civilization that just naturally stops at a sustainable population level, we'll probably never know.

    As to the reason that we haven't been visited by aliens, there are other more likely ones even if that is true.
    Firstly the distances are just too vast and would take huge amounts of resources and time to cross.
    Then there's the sheer number of possible stars to explore, what are the odds someone would choose this one.

    But the best reason of all is just the odds of another civilisation actually existing near enough to us both in space and time have to be tiny. First a planet has to exist somewhere near us with the right conditions for life to exist, then assuming life does occur it has to evolve to a level where interstellar spaceflight is possible. On top of that this has to happen conveniently at near enough the same time as it happened here so we exist if they decide to come looking. Then they have to actually want to look for other life. The universe could be full of civilizations that are just too far away for us to ever meet, and others could have existed and died millions of years before life on earth even formed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zqwerty View Post
    The point I took from the article is that it is possible that the reason we haven't been visited by extraterrestrials or that they even exist is that the inevitability of causing climate change on any suitable planet for intelligent life is that the very existence of technological capability to go off world is the trigger for disastrous global warming which overwhelms the aspiring civilization and this is a consequence of physics and not under the intelligent beings control.
    Jeeeez zqwerty, donít know what youíre on, but I want some.
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    Jeeeez zqwerty, donít know what youíre on, but I want some.
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