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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Did anyone see this?
    https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...8q0WM6ckFRd.97
    Does this mean if you apply the 1803 update, your installation will revert to 10 S whether you want it or not?
    (Yeah I know (apparently) you can turn it off).
    This would have cost you $49 (us) until M$ changed their mind.
    Perhaps this may have something to do with reports of Chrome etc not working.
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    Linux does the same thing, every 6 months there's a new version.
    You've said this a couple of times now and either you are just deliberately talking ****, to pretend Win is not so bad after all, or you just really don't know how it works.

    "Linux" is the kernel. Many different OS's use this kernel, and have different release cycles ranging from immediate (rolling) to years, depending on their purpose and target audience. You can use what suits your needs.
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by fred_fish View Post
    You've said this a couple of times now and either you are just deliberately talking ****, to pretend Win is not so bad after all, or you just really don't know how it works.

    "Linux" is the kernel. Many different OS's use this kernel, and have different release cycles ranging from immediate (rolling) to years, depending on their purpose and target audience. You can use what suits your needs.
    Not talking **** at all. So are you saying when A new version of Linux os comes out its the exact same as the previous ?? Now thats ****. The majority of users see the OS interface, not the kernel, well apart form die hards who have no life.

    With Windows every version that comes out has minor changes from the previous, sometimes things have been removed sometimes things added. There are options in Version 1803 for example that aren't in any previous.

    Funny how the linux users always rubbish Windows, maybe they suffer from personalty problems, after all take Mint there are 4 different options to select from. NOW if you said to a complete beginner go download Mint - a beginner wouldn't know the difference between the 4. Before you say there isnt 4 options -- stick this where you sit. The descriptions are about as unless as you.

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    "Linux" is the kernel. Many different OS's use this kernel, and have different release cycles ranging from immediate (rolling) to years, depending on their purpose and target audience. You can use what suits your needs.
    That on its own is a problem. Sure some have specific use for a distro, but how many times have people asked what is he best to use -- Well you'll get many different answers depending on who answers. Again, as per the picture, which of the 4 if a person has no idea ?? And what ever you say, thats only your opinion, someone else may like a different interface.
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by feersumendjinn View Post
    Did anyone see this?
    https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...8q0WM6ckFRd.97
    Does this mean if you apply the 1803 update, your installation will revert to 10 S whether you want it or not?
    (Yeah I know (apparently) you can turn it off).
    This would have cost you $49 (us) until M$ changed their mind.
    Perhaps this may have something to do with reports of Chrome etc not working.
    It may come with Windows S on New PC's as an option, but shouldn't on any upgraded unless you tell it to. Only problem is the toaster shops wont know the difference and more than likely get it all wrong.

    The S version is more security based, this means you cant install any programs unless they come Via the windows store, there are quite a few options disappeared.

    Tried it a few months back when the option was available, didn't like it. You can download and try if you want NOW, BUT you have to have version 1709: Windows 10 Pro, Windows 10 Pro Education, Windows 10 Education or Windows 10 Enterprise. The problem changing " to have a look" is once its installed, you cant roll back to the previous version you have.

    Just found this article bit more info: https://redmondmag.com/articles/2018...e-changes.aspx
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    **waffle**
    So it's option 2 then...
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by fred_fish View Post
    So it's option 2 then...
    Is that it for today ?? Must be a slow day, oh well

    Here's some info for you -- Looks like the Kernel changes are quite frequent. 4.X 16 Changes in 3 years.

    https://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxVersions

    As for frequency of releases that most people associate with, lets have a look at Mint, it appears to be popular:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_...ersion_history

    Now lets be honest -- a Average user, do they look (or even care) what the Kernel version is, or more interested in the user interface and what they can do with that.
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    Is that it for today ?? Must be a slow day, oh well

    Here's some info for you -- Looks like the Kernel changes are quite frequent. 4.X 16 Changes in 3 years.

    https://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxVersions

    As for frequency of releases that most people associate with, lets have a look at Mint, it appears to be popular:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_...ersion_history

    Now lets be honest -- a Average user, do they look (or even care) what the Kernel version is, or more interested in the user interface and what they can do with that.
    OK, so you're talking about Mint then ... you should have said.

    Most distro's with a 'Fixed Release - longer support' model (Debian, Slackware, Red Hat/CentOS, OpenSuse etc.) generally use a single mainline kernel release (usually the most recent LTS one at time of release) and stay with that for the life of the release (backporting security fixes as appropriate).
    This means stable ABI's and unchanging functionality - so regular updates bring in security improvements and don't break anything - it continues to work the same as when it was released.
    For a lot of people and use cases this is a big advantage, but for some, new shiny things are more important, so there are also distro's that update things much more frequently, bringing support for new hardware, along with the latest new "bright ideas" of the various software devs.

    Again, the beauty of having a choice - you can pick whatever suits you - for example, we don't all drive the same model of car, there are many variations to suit differing use cases, and most people seem to cope with that choice OK (or else get help deciding).

    As for the proverbial "Average User", you just need to look at Win10 to see where catering to the Lowest Common Denominator gets you...
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by fred_fish View Post
    OK, so you're talking about Mint then ... you should have said.


    As for the proverbial "Average User", you just need to look at Win10 to see where catering to the Lowest Common Denominator gets you...
    Yep, Mint - Reason -- Thats because that's what the questions here are generally about. Its been well reported /marketed ( for the lack of a better word) that Mint is a beginners OS.

    All the other "higher up" Distros the users generally don't need to ask for help on public forums as its beyond the knowledge base with maybe the exception of 1 or 2.

    An example of that (windows based) how many posts are there relating to higher end Servers -- next to none here.

    Lowest Common Denominator
    Thats the way the world is.

    Look at all the main OS's, Linux, Windows and iOS-- Over the years they are all requiring less and less knowledge of the user to operate. Its only going to get "worse", everyone is slowing developing voice commands, soon you wont use a keyboard or mouse.

    Look into the future - The Animated/Kids Movie Wall-E, may not be to far from the truth ??
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Quote Originally Posted by wainuitech View Post
    Yep, Mint - Reason -- ... Mint is a beginners OS.
    ...
    Look at all the main OS's, Linux, Windows and iOS
    Again, "Linux" is not an OS - Mint is an OS, Debian is an OS etc - they are all put together by different groups according to their particular priorities and how they want their OS to be. Choose one that fit's you.
    Or, at least, don't make ignorant generalisations based on one distro.

    Over the years they are all requiring less and less knowledge of the user to operate.
    Of course, being easier to use is a good thing, but often that comes at the expense of not being able to do complex things or removing choices that may be beneficial for some - when you can't 'opt-out' and don't fit into that particular box, that becomes a problem.
    Also, as you so often note, knowing how your tools work, and how to use them properly should be encouraged, not locked away behind "dealer service only" signs.
    Being able to choose an OS that works the way you want (or to be able to change it if it doesn't) is a good thing, not just having to put up with whatever someone (who, in the case of commercial OS's, has their own bottom line at heart) decides you should have.

    Its only going to get "worse", everyone is slowing developing voice commands, soon you wont use a keyboard or mouse.

    Look into the future - The Animated/Kids Movie Wall-E, may not be to far from the truth ??
    All well and good, but the "developments" being pushed out in Windows seem to be less about enabling users and more about increasing their monetary value to MS.
    https://www.computerworld.com/articl...-strategy.html
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    Default Re: Major update for Windows 10 April 2018

    Again, "Linux" is not an OS - Mint is an OS, Debian is an OS etc
    Technically that's true. If you look at it like that, then ya better jump on EVERY other Linux Titled thread in this forum, they all have the word "Linux" in the title, but actually refer to Mint. Best keep an eye on the Forum- and jump on anyone who asks a "Linux" question to put them right

    Windows seem to be less about enabling users and more about increasing their monetary value to MS.
    Last time I heard, making money if a business is the goal - Any Business that doesn't usually shuts down. Windows is a Product of Microsoft.
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