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    Default Re: The top 10 biggest climate alarmist predictions gone spectacularly wrong:

    Wake me up when that island they always show on tv actually starts drowning - is it Kiribas?

    At the moment all of its problems (if any) are caused by EROSION)
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    Default Re: The top 10 biggest climate alarmist predictions gone spectacularly wrong:

    What I would like to ask of the Climate Change people is why they changed the name from Global Warming.

    Global warming I can understand.

    Climate change means nothing.

    Anyway, here is my question.

    Suppose that in ten years, the world really started warming up and sea levels were NOTICEABLE rising.

    If you were President of the world, what would you do?

    Call Stephen Segal ?
    Ban all cars?
    Ban car racing and flying?
    Ban all heaters
    Close every coal mine?
    Build hundreds of nuclear power stations
    Bring in compulsory sterilization for women in India, China, Egypt, Uganda and Nigeria after their first child.
    Plant trees like it was no tomorrow

    Which one would you do? or what else?
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    Disclaimer: I'm explaining the term not arguing for or against, we've had that argument exhaustively in the past and I see no need to restart it.

    The change from global warming to climate change is not the big change of position/admission of error many seem to think it is.
    It's still the general consensus that average global temperatures are on the rise, that hasn't changed. The name change is actually an attempt to be less confusing and more accurate believe it or not.

    Because global warming can cause a shift in weather patterns and climate it can result in some areas experiencing cooler temperatures or extreme weather events of either hot or cold. Global warming is about the average temperature over the whole of the planet, climate change indicates exactly what it's named and can be different in local areas relative to the global average. I guess the scientists got tired of the "oooh look it's really cold here today, where's the global warming" type arguments and made a futile attempt to name the phenomenon more accurately.
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    But the laugh is that some of the world leaders, like Obama, have been sucked right in and have no way out without looking like right dorks and their egos won’t allow that. Key is the same to a lesser extent.

    But some of us remember the Y2K hoax where politicians were preparing us for disaster. Helen Clark, Prime Minister at the time, even appointed a “Y2K Commissioner” who was still there in 2001 waiting for something to happen.

    The sad part was I had a mate that drank at the same club and we used to vigorously debate the Y2K crisis. I would argue that the water supply and sewerage pumping stations had no idea of the time or date and aeroplanes wouldn’t fall out of the air on the stroke of midnight because they didn’t care either.

    However, his sole argument was that our Government was very concerned and they along with others wouldn’t take the steps they were without being 100% sure.

    I forgave him for thinking that, but a few years later he died in his sleep and the house was found to be full of provisions, as had been recommended, even down to the bath still being full of water.

    A sad state of affairs in my book, but it shows the trust some people put in Politicians and how gullible a lot of people are.
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    Default Re: The top 10 biggest climate alarmist predictions gone spectacularly wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by dugimodo View Post
    Disclaimer: I'm explaining the term not arguing for or against, we've had that argument exhaustively in the past and I see no need to restart it.

    The change from global warming to climate change is not the big change of position/admission of error many seem to think it is.
    It's still the general consensus that average global temperatures are on the rise, that hasn't changed. The name change is actually an attempt to be less confusing and more accurate believe it or not.

    Because global warming can cause a shift in weather patterns and climate it can result in some areas experiencing cooler temperatures or extreme weather events of either hot or cold. Global warming is about the average temperature over the whole of the planet, climate change indicates exactly what it's named and can be different in local areas relative to the global average. I guess the scientists got tired of the "oooh look it's really cold here today, where's the global warming" type arguments and made a futile attempt to name the phenomenon more accurately.
    Can't wear that dugi.

    The real reason is you can argue "Global Warming" and beat them, but you can't argue "Climate Change" because of course it is changing and has always been. Remember they tried to change "Climate Change" to "Global Climatic Disruption" to make it less definitive, but that doesn't seem to have caught on.

    However, the fact that bugger all is happening, and hasn't been for years has now, introduced an explanation called "The Pause Period".

    It's a sad state of affairs when "Scientists" need "Spin Doctors" to justify their existence.
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    Default Re: The top 10 biggest climate alarmist predictions gone spectacularly wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by Digby View Post

    If you were President of the world, what would you do?

    Call Stephen Segal ?
    Ban all cars?
    Ban car racing and flying?
    Ban all heaters
    Close every coal mine?
    Build hundreds of nuclear power stations
    Bring in compulsory sterilization for women in India, China, Egypt, Uganda and Nigeria after their first child.
    Plant trees like it was no tomorrow

    Which one would you do? or what else?
    digby on the last one:

    Back in the 1970's there appeared an article in I think the Journal of Agriculture by a horticulturist who wanted to plant pinus radiata in the Sahara desert, to stop the encroaching desert.

    We all know of the drought in California and the plunging aquifers.

    Why are they not desalinating sea water and pumping that into these drought stricken areas, they pump oil and gas for thousands of miles.

    Australia has one desalinating plant and that country is broke, but not because of that, rofl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.M. View Post
    ...But some of us remember the Y2K hoax where politicians were preparing us for disaster....
    Very sad about your mate (and others like him) but the reason Y2K basically went unnoticed was because a lot of work went into fixing the problems before hand.

    There are always scaremongers on every subject but often there is that grain of truth in the background.

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    Default Re: The top 10 biggest climate alarmist predictions gone spectacularly wrong:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lurking View Post
    digbyAustralia has one desalinating plant and that country is broke, but not because of that, rofl. lurking.
    Not true Lurking, Australia has many desalinating plants most of which are a complete waste of time and money. Take a look at THIS
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    Whoops, cunning aussies trying to sell a paper. I'll try and fix the link.
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    OK, once you've read it, it seem if you go back you get advertising so here's the Copy & Paste.


    Billions in desalination costs for not a drop of water
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    THE consumer bill for the nation’s largest desalination plant is set to rise to more than $2 billion, as heavy rain and soaring dam levels make redundant tremendously expensive facilities across the eastern seaboard.
    New figures obtained by The Weekend Australian show the Victorian desalination plant, southeast of Melbourne, will have cost water users $1.2bn by the November 29 state election, rising to $2bn by the end of the next financial year.
    The cost has soared, despite no water having been drawn from the facility since its opening in 2012 and dams being more than 80 per cent full.
    The full cost of building, running and maintaining the plant is forecast to climb markedly in the next three decades.
    The Victorian experience has been replicated across Australia’s east and south. Plants in Victoria, NSW, Adelaide and on the Gold Coast cost more than $10bn to build but their operations have been effectively mothballed.
    Sydney’s plant is dismissed as a white elephant, with no water produced since 2012, despite costing consumers almost $200 million a year, or about $100 a year for every water user.
    In Queensland, the Gold Coast desalination plant built by the previous Labor government at Tugun cost $1.2bn but has been effectively mothballed for the past few years.
    In Adelaide, the 100-gigalitre-capacity desalination plant cost $2.2bn to build and was finished in December 2012 but the plant, publicly owned but operated by private contractors AdelaideAqua, will be mothballed from January 15 next year after a two-year “proving period”.
    Serious questions are being asked about why state governments past and present have invested billions of dollars in desalination plants when high dam levels — such as 88 per cent in Sydney — make the infrastructure surplus to requirement.
    The great drought ended in 2010, leaving Victoria with a desalination plant about 130km from Melbourne capable of producing 150 billion litres of water a year and a bill over 30 years of as much as $22.5bn, depending on whether, or how much, water is used.
    Average yearly water-bill increases in Melbourne of about $200 have been recorded.
    Assuming no water has been collected from the Victorian desalination plant by 2039-40, consumers will still have paid more than $18bn to keep the plant going when all costs are included, a prospect that is expected to dominate debate in the final stages of the state election campaign.
    Victorian Water Minister Peter Walsh told The Weekend Australian yesterday that the plant was a “gigantic, permanent stain’’ on Labor and its leader, Daniel Andrews. “Every time a Melbourne household gets a water bill, it is a reminder that Labor can’t manage money, can’t manage major projects, and can’t tell the truth,’’ Mr Walsh said.
    Data reveals that Melbourne water users will have paid almost $1.1bn by the end of August for the management and maintenance of the plant, with payments rising to more than $1.2bn by the end of the election campaign and $2bn by the end of the next financial year. The payments began in December 2012 but the breaking of the drought in 2010 means the government has opted against making a call on the desalination plant to produce water. The government has placed a zero water order for the supply period ending next June.
    Under the deal struck by Labor, Melbourne households are still required to pay about $600m via an annual holding charge, regardless of whether water is taken.
    Melbourne water consumers effectively fund the plant via their water bills, exposing Labor to a cost-of-living campaign in the final weeks of the election campaign.
    AquaSure was contracted by Victoria to finance, design, build, operate and maintain the plant.
    The Wonthaggi plant was embroiled in controversy amid claims it was being built on the back of union sweetheart deals and dramatically generous pay and conditions.
    The NSW government sold its plant to a consortium of Hastings Funds Management and the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan for $2.3bn, but with a 50-year lease that guaranteed them payments whether the plant was working or not.
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