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    I have left this far too long and procrastinated over it for a while.

    Been researching for about a week now but things have changed so much I would like some advice.

    Which is better LGA1155 or LGA2011

    I will add questions as I start to make decisions.

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    LGA1155 is dead architecture, LGA2011 is better featured..but more expensive and niche end.
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    I don't care about the cost (within reason, I wouldn't spend $1000's on one item)

    So is there anything else comparable to LGA2011 if LGA1155 is dead?
    If the 2011 is niche, what is mainstream?
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    Well, actually, i guess 2011 is dead too, 1150 for Haswell is due 4th June
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    Its called progress Doesn't matter what the socket, something soon will always be along to supersede it or be better. (1155 is fine.)

    looking at suppliers the 2011 is only available in i7 anyway, so that alone will be more expensive.

    As for price - the top listed i7 2011 on my suppliers sites is by the time it goes to sale around $1500 while the lower end ones are around $480 + and that's just for the CPU.

    That's not the top range, if you want expensive then start looking at the Xeon eight cores 2011 -- top one is close to $3500 ( that's not a typo either) Example from Ascent

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    I have been thinking of a desktop build for a while since I no longer *need* a laptop as such. The problem is price, the CPU alone costs as much as a laptop. My current machine has a i7 2630QM in it (2GHz Sandy bridge) - the CPU costs about $1000 and when I bought it the laptop was $1600. When you add the mobo, power supply, case, HDD and graphics I start to wonder if I should even bother.

    I'm really interested in Haswell, if the power savings are as good as advertised I might just get a Haswell laptop. Although people have confused themselves. Haswell claimes a 50% power reduction, that's JUST the CPU. It wont magically make the whole laptop run better the screen will still chew power.

    Desade - would you consider Haswell? 1150 will bring a much better performance spec, or do you wish to stick with 2011/1155?
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    I don't usually buy the TOP end and I have no interest in Xeon.

    Traditionally I buy the chip that is one or two below the top and I have always brought i7 since the first iteration came out.
    I think I will be needing the CPU and a new motherboard. Not sure if I will need to replace my ram.

    This is what I currently have

    Intel Core i7-920 2.66Ghz 8MB Cache *Quad Core* 2000Mhz Socket B (LGA1366) CPU
    Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 Intel X58 Socket B (LGA 1366) ATX Motherboard
    Corsair Dominator 12GB Triple Channel Kit 6x 2GB PC12800 DDR3 (1600Mhz) Memory CL8-8-8-24

    So will I need new ram?
    I believe that the new boards support quad channel ram, can I get that by adding another chip to my existing or do I need to buy all new ram?

    Error guy, yes I would most certainly consider Halswell especially if 1155/2011 are dead or on the verge of being obsolete.
    I do not really care about power savings but I always want the latest iteration I can get.
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    1155 isn't dead, its very much main stream at the moment. I would say Sandy Bridge is nearly dead - and would be if it wasnt for the 2011 CPU range. Would I wait for a Haswell chip? Probably not. Yes the Haswell has better less energy consumption, yes the Haswell has a better Integrated GPU, but from what I have read so far, performance increase over the 3770k for example is less than 5%. Quote from a source on the net:

    It is a 22nm Haswell desktop processor, belonging to the fourth generation of Core-series chips.

    A quad-core with 8 threads, it runs at 3.5 GHz clock speed, although the Turbo Boost technology can drive it to 3.9 GHz if needed, on all cores.

    8 MB of L3 cache memory are available, along with a very good memory controller. Everything works on 84W of power.

    Meanwhile, the IGP is the HD 4600 (full codename GT2 HD 4600) and runs at 1,250 MHz.

    The information is consistent with the other day's report about the specifications of the entire chip line.

    Sadly, that also means that Haswell Core i7-4770K won't bring any major performance improvement over Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge. The average improvement is of under 5% actually, if we're reading the slides right, smaller at 4 GHz clock-to-clock comparison.

    On the flip side, overclocking is easier on Haswell, thanks to the BCLK/FSB options similar to the Sandy Bridge-E processors.

    Nevertheless, upgrading to Haswell won't make sense if you have an Ivy Bridge. Not even Sandy Bridge owners will have a real reason to switch actually. The only incentive is the better GPU, and that doesn't matter when high-end PCs have add-in NVIDIA or AMD video boards anyway.
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    On reflection, here is the reported CPU architecture for the current and next few years.

    Sandy-Bridge (been) 32nm
    Ivy-Bridge (current - just) 22nm
    Haswell (next month) 22nm
    Broadwell 14nm
    Skylake 14nm
    Skymont 10nm

    Bearing in mind, your current chip is probably a Nehalem or Westmare (45nm), going to an IvyBridge or Haswell, you are going to notice a big difference - as well as the extra GHz!! (I know I did when I went to my Ivy). As the Haswell is newer, you're pretty much best with that. You could use your existing RAM, but personally I would probably upgrade to 2133 or even 2400MHz RAM.

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    So based on the above Ian you recommend the Ivy Bridge?
    Which chip in particular?

    You posted before I got this one up.

    So wait for Halswell then, although buying a new-gen chip as soon as its released can be expensive.

    Current one is a Nehalem
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