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    Default Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    I see the government has just raised the minimum wage to $13.75

    Than goodness it was only 25cents.

    We are already have about the 4th highest min wage major country in the world
    After
    Australia $19.84 NZ$
    France $15.09
    Germany. $14.16

    Our min wage is ahead of
    The Netherlands $13.39
    The UK $11.14
    Canada $10.99
    The USA. $8.70
    Japan $7.93
    South Korea $ 5.40
    Taiwan $4.18

    How are our exporters supposed to export to Asia and Latin America where their min wages are all under $5.00.
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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    others wouldn't complain.....
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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    Productivity would more than likely come from the higher paid employee or computerised plant.

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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    Quote Originally Posted by Lurking View Post
    Productivity would more than likely come from the higher paid employee or computerised plant.
    That's right.
    Every time wages go up - automation becomes cheaper as does off-shoring.
    So we get less jobs.
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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    Quote Originally Posted by Digby View Post
    That's right.
    Every time wages go up - automation becomes cheaper as does off-shoring.
    So we get less jobs.
    digby, while I do agree with you. It's just not manufacturing jobs that pay min wage. Ask someone that works in a rest home wiping old people's backsides what their earn an hour, its min wage. That job won't be outsorced. And I'm sure not many people here would do it. In oz the same workers are getting mid to low 20s.
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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    Quote Originally Posted by plod View Post
    digby, while I do agree with you. It's just not manufacturing jobs that pay min wage. Ask someone that works in a rest home wiping old people's backsides what their earn an hour, its min wage. That job won't be outsorced. And I'm sure not many people here would do it. In oz the same workers are getting mid to low 20s.
    Seems to cost a fortune to stay in old folks homes, never quite sure why it cost a fortune to stay in these places.
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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
    Seems to cost a fortune to stay in old folks homes, never quite sure why it cost a fortune to stay in these places.
    Because there are few choices with regards to elderly care and maintenance. That and no suicide booths or Soylent Green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_doe_nz View Post
    Because there are few choices with regards to elderly care and maintenance. That and no suicide booths or Soylent Green.
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    Default Re: Minimum wage rise - thnak goodness it was ony 25cents

    The criminal Shonkey gummint shows derision for the vulnerable of the country
    and you think that is a good thing Digby? Your opinion sucks, man.
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    Hi Digby, is that a projected raise in the minimum wage for april this year? From what I read in your post you say the Govt just raised the minimum wage to $13.75 ( a bloody pittance if you asked me anyhow ), if that is the case the DoL needs to be advised as they seem to have missed out on their own decision. This from their website:

    "The minimum wage rates are reviewed every year. As of 1 April 2012 the adult minimum wage rates (before tax) that apply for employees aged 16 or over are:
    $13.50 an hour, which is
    $108.00 for an 8-hour day or
    $540.00 for a 40-hour week."

    Let's look a little wider.

    BELGIUM - €1,472.40 a month for workers 21 years of age and over; €1,511.48 a month for workers 21 and a half years of age, with six months of service; €1,528.84 a month for workers 22 years of age, with 12 months of service; coupled with extensive social benefits

    AUSTRALIA - $15.96 Australian Dollars per hour / 606.40 Australian dollars per week; Year 1-4 of apprenticeship starting at $10.22 Australian Dollars per hour & building to $17.65Australian dollars. Set federally by Fair Work Australia.

    DENMARK - None, nationally; instead, negotiated between unions and employer associations; the average minimum wage for all private and public sector collective bargaining agreements was 103.15 kroner per hour, according to statistics released on March 1, 2009.

    FRANCE - €9.40 per hour; €1,425.67 per month for 151.67 hours worked (or 7 hours every weekday of the month)

    GERMANY - No statutory minimum wage, except for construction workers, electrical workers, janitors, roofers, painters, and letter carriers. Minimum wage is often set by collective bargaining agreements in other sectors of the economy and enforceable by law.

    FINLAND - None in law; however, the law requires all employers, including non-unionized ones, to pay minimum wages agreed to in collective bargaining agreements; almost all workers are covered under such arrangements.

    HONG KONG - HK$28 per hour SAR wide; HK$3,580 per month for foreign domestic workers.

    ICELAND - None; minimum wages are negotiated in various collectively bargained agreements and applied automatically to all employees in those occupations, regardless of union membership; while the agreements can be either industry- or sector-wide, and in some cases firm-specific, the minimum wage levels are occupation-specific

    IRELAND - 8.65 per hour

    ITALY - None by law; instead set through collective bargaining agreements on a sector-by-sector basis

    LUXEMBOURG - €1,801.49 per month for unqualified workers over 18; increased by 20% for a qualified employee; decreased by 20% to 25% in the case of an adolescent worker.

    NETHERLAND - €1,446.60 per month, €333.85 per week or €66.77 per day for persons 23 and older;[51] between 30-85% of this amount for persons aged 15-22

    NEW ZEALAND - NZ$13.50 per hour for workers 18 years old or older, and NZ$10.80 per hour for those aged 16 or 17 or in training; there is no statutory minimum wage for employees who are under 16 years old.

    SWITZERLAND - None; however, a majority of the voluntary collective bargaining agreements contain clauses on minimum compensation, ranging from 2,200 to 4,200 francs per month for unskilled workers and from 2,800 to 5,300 francs per month for skilled employees.

    We can see from there that while some countries - interestingly enough some of the most affluent in Europe - do not have a government mandated minimum wage, they rely on free market and the bargaining power of certain unions.

    Other countries have higher minimum wage than New Zealand and while the americas and Britain may appear low wages countries their ingrained tipping habits, something simply non-existent in most parts of New Zealand, allow workers to go home with a fair pay.

    Also you'll notice that New Zealand's current minimum wage of $13.50 applies only to 18 years of age and over, whilst younger ones and ones in an apprenticeship can be around $10.00 per hour.

    So do you think a person of 35 years of age with a family that was made redundant due to the recession accepting a new job in an alternative industry should be able to live a comfortable life in Godzone with $13.50 per hour?

    In the Hawkes Bay area the fruitgrowers seem happy to pay that plus airfares and accommodation to overseas apple pickers - but we scoff at the new zealand counterpart to earn a decorous living?
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