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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    I have no problem putting my credibility on the line - I don't believe there's a conspiracy - and no-one listens to me anyway. Just ask my wife (and kids)!
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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    Quote Originally Posted by B.M. View Post
    It’s very noble of you Johcar to defend your mates, but when doing so remember your credibility may go on the line with theirs.
    What are you going on about now? Telling everyone who does not agree with you that their credibility is on the line is rather bizarre thing to say.

    Summary:
    1. There is a pending/proposed/draft bill that will impact upon these forums.
    2. FairFax/PC World may implement these changes or the intent of these changes before the bill is law. Their forum, they can do what they like.
    3. As an aside, it would be nice not to have multiple threads each week all about Maori and the Treaty of Waitangi.

    B.M. appears to be fixated about the wording used in some of the posts and cannot move past this point. They aren't 'magic' words, and if someone did not consistently say proposed/draft instead of law, or their choice of words were not as clear, it is not the end of the world. The intend of this thread is a discussion on the pending changes. The Mods are not trying to pull the wool over your eyes by secretly switching words around. Sigh. Are we all clear on that now?

    If you wish to argue "words" then wait until PC World come out with something formal.

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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    What are you going on about now? Telling everyone who does not agree with you that their credibility is on the line is rather bizarre thing to say.

    Summary:
    1. There is a pending/proposed/draft bill that will impact upon these forums.
    2. FairFax/PC World may implement these changes or the intent of these changes before the bill is law. Their forum, they can do what they like.
    3. As an aside, it would be nice not to have multiple threads each week all about Maori and the Treaty of Waitangi.

    B.M. appears to be fixated about the wording used in some of the posts and cannot move past this point. They aren't 'magic' words, and if someone did not consistently say proposed/draft instead of law, or their choice of words were not as clear, it is not the end of the world. The intend of this thread is a discussion on the pending changes. The Mods are not trying to pull the wool over your eyes by secretly switching words around. Sigh. Are we all clear on that now?

    If you wish to argue "words" then wait until PC World come out with something formal.
    Everybody’s credibility goes on the line when they make a Post including mine.

    That is why I try to get the facts right and back them.

    Summary:

    1. There is a pending/proposed/draft bill that will impact upon these forums.
    There is a draft bill that has never been presented let alone passed into law.


    2. FairFax/PC World may implement these changes or the intent of these changes before the bill is law. Their forum, they can do what they like.
    Fairfax/PC World could well be chasing fairies, but it is their site and they can do as they like within the law. Just don’t pass the buck.

    3. As an aside, it would be nice not to have multiple threads each week all about Maori and the Treaty of Waitangi.
    A personal issue, but stopping Fairfax from continuously publishing Maori Issues should solve the problem. After all it is Fairfax that provides the ammunition.

    B.M. appears to be fixated about the wording used in some of the posts and cannot move past this point. They aren't 'magic' words, and if someone did not consistently say proposed/draft instead of law, or their choice of words were not as clear, it is not the end of the world. The intend of this thread is a discussion on the pending changes. The Mods are not trying to pull the wool over your eyes by secretly switching words around. Sigh. Are we all clear on that now?
    B.M. is neither a mind reader nor clairvoyant and like everyone else is stuck with what is actually written.

    If you wish to argue "words" then wait until PC World come out with something formal.
    I don’t think PC World is in much of a position to change the English language.
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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    A huge +1 to BM for posting the facts and nothing but the facts
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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    Where's pcuser42? I want some of that popcorn!

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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    lol - not far wrong there.

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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    Quote Originally Posted by johcar View Post
    Even Chilling_Silence and Jen are human - and I know this to be true because I've met their human forms at a couple of PressF1 Auckland meetups....
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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    So if the law is non existent.... we have to be PC about discussing the moaners... and fairfax say where PF1 is heading....
    The thread should just be closed before wasting more time.
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    Default Re: Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed

    I've been staying out of this thread, and intend to keep doing so: I don't want my presence to impede discussion. However, I felt it prudent to clear up a couple of things.

    In reference to B.M. asking why we are having this discussion now, perhaps this will help clarify:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10862726

    I'd prefer to have a discussion around what is appropriate for our forum - which, as Chill noted, is a "robust forum" and has more leeway than many because of that - before the bill is tabled, than have the mods institute what we think is appropriate by fiat afterwards. FWIW, Fairfax and APN took action to ensure their newspaper forum/comments content met the proposed laws guidelines around September last year.

    In addition, a number of issues around the same content has arisen because of disgruntled forum dwellers. So the timing seemed good.

    Thanks to everyone for participating. It's good to see a few concrete suggestions put forth already. Goodiesguy: best of luck with your forum!
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