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    Default Fair go

    There is a piece on data usage From apps tonight
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    It's bound to be a piece of over the top hype.. Will wait and see though..
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    Default Re: Fair go

    So some News feed app causing all the problems. Just checked my phone doesn't have it

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    The point being wainui, even when the app was meant to been deleted it was still sending and recieving data.
    Although I must say needing an app to delete an app is a novel idea
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    :O what'd I miss?
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    Default Re: Fair go

    AP Mobile hogging data, on vodafone cells / smartphones. Even if you didnt use it it used data in the background

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    It was part of the bloat ware installed on galaxys2 and notes from the factory
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    Just found it online here:
    http://tvnz.co.nz/fair-go/wednesday-...-4850765/video

    Widget for "AP Mobile" is notorious for checking things, however the application shouldn't be running unless the end-user (Damien in this instance) has told it to.

    Also, it's not specifically good advice to download a Task Killer. In fact, I would suggest it's quite the opposite. Killing the app is less than ideal, because it gets users in to the habit of doing something that Android does incredibly well on its own. What would be better is addressing the root cause.

    In this case, that app is *known* not to use any data, it's set for manual refresh and won't even load up unless the end-user explicitly fires it up after a power on.
    If the end-user has installed a widget, again it will automatically start in order to power the widget. If they set it for regular updates, then again it's on their own head.

    There are many rich-media applications like this for the news, things like Google Currents is another good example. It *will* use data as it pulls down higher resolution images and 'pre-caches' the stories on your phone.

    Apps like this can easily use up to a hundred megs a day, it's nothing out of the ordinary, when they're configured on their most aggressive refresh schedule. Presumably if he's whored it all during lunch, he was on an incredibly small plan, perhaps a 100MB a month plan that he'd already used a bit of and it just happened to push him over the edge as it pulled all the new stuff. In fact my money says he left home / the office in the AM, found the app during the day, had a fiddle with it, told it to pull the updated news stories (Regardless of how frequent) and it precached all the current stuff. He goes to lunch, still on 3G, and it does what it's told and pulls the news.

    Fault of the application?
    Perhaps, some have settings that allow them to only be updated via Wifi. It also doesn't load when you turn on the phone by default, so the user has either setup a widget, or has fired up the phone. Restarting the phone means it won't come back unless the widget is there (I'm pretty sure AP Mobile doesn't run as a service on boot). This makes a task killer even further bloat and totally unnecessary considering the functionality to stop apps running has always been built in to Android. It also only refreshes as often as the end-user tells it to.

    Fault of the user?
    Perhaps, he could have thought it through a little better than "I want to download this rich media / news, I'm on 3G, it surely can't be much". However presuming the end-users are logical isn't a clever idea from the manufacturers perspective. If he's set up a widget for it, and told it to refresh automatically, it's simply doing as it's told.

    Fault of the manufacturer?
    Perhaps, Samsung put the application on there, and factory-installed applications that ship with the firmware aren't usually removable unless a few certain conditions are met. They put a lot of apps on though, most of them are quite liked by customers, this one included.

    Fault of Android?
    Perhaps, however in Android-4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) there exists the functionality to both 'freeze' a factory-installed application that the end-user doesn't want (And ICS has been out for the SGS2 for a while I believe which he should have been running), as well as the ability to monitor your 3G data, restrict the background data usage of applications, restrict applications from using 3G data at all... And these functions are also available through 3rd party apps for older Android-2.3 (Gingerbread) and earlier firmwares

    Fault of Vodafone?
    Perhaps, they could have educated the end-user a bit more about what they were getting themselves into by signing up for 3G data, as well as how to prevent that kind of thing happening on their phone. It only takes a minute, but the right advice of "You can freeze apps or restrict 3G data" as opposed to "use a task killer to kill it when it loads up" will make a *massive* difference! Vodafone and Telecom both allow for a "data shock", once for the life of your account. If you happen to go over, and you get a surprise bill, provided it's not some obscene amount and you're not roaming, for the better part they'll simply waive the charges and be nice to you. Hell I even had it happen to me when I was with Orcon and they were having DNS issues. I tapped on a link to download some firmware, it didn't work. Tried again, didn't work. Tried reloading the page and then hitting the link again, didn't work. As soon as I dropped off Wifi onto 3G while I was sleeping, the firmware downloaded 3x via 3G, blowing my limit. I only went over by 20MB so Telecom were happy to waive the charges and reset my monthly limit. It happens to all of us I guess, so the Telcos are quite good in that respect, they're not obliged to do anything like that, though the "goodwill" from them is certainly appreciated.


    If you ask me, I don't think anything was "wrong" except for perhaps a little education of the end-user, and no doubt this is something we will see more of. It's like letting somebody run wild on a PC without telling them "Don't open attachments from UPS that say they have a package for you". Simple things like "Be careful about what you set to automatically update, such as new application updates, or information within applications such as news, as it can use your 3G data".
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    I had a look on my Telecom supplied SGS2 and can't find this app so maybe it is only on Vodafone supplied ones..
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    As far as I'm aware the apps bundled with the firmware are vetted by the carrier, for example AT&T in the US bundles different apps from T-Mobile, and because of this each carrier releases the new OS updates at different times.
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