I have no use for a cave man language

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Originally Posted by gary67

I don't know Nettlebed cave near the Pearse resurgence has an underground campsite, have slept there a few times, also Bulmer cave up on Mt Owen has at least 3 campsites in it as its such a big cave network 60-70km of passages and still more being explored.

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I have been to the Pearse valley resurgence its very close to where I used to live, one valley up in fact. You couldn't camp in because a river flows out of it.

https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rc...phvWQJ8Sng3L-K

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Originally Posted by prefect

I have been to the Pearse valley resurgence its very close to where I used to live, one valley up in fact. You couldn't camp in because a river flows out of it.

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Up the side stream 100m or so is the cave, the actual resurgence has been dived but one diver is still in there 20 years on. Cave divers are mad.

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Originally Posted by Roscoe

I heard someone say, just recently, that everyone knows and uses maori words daily. Well I do know some maori words - you can't help knowing some maori words as they are used by TVNZ and others fairly often - but I don't use maori words - English is my language and I have no use for maori words and have no inclination to use them.

TVNZ announcers - Simon Dallow in particular - mumble on with some maori (I assume) phrases that I have no idea what they mean and I imagine that the majority of viewers would not know what they are mumbling about either.:groan: So why do they do it? Just to be PC? Let's speak English which is the language that the majority of NZers understand.

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Appreciate your point of view. NZ is a free country with free speech which I support. I’m therefore allowed to use my own free speech.

I’m myself a member of a minority group, Deaf people who use NZ Sign Language (NZSL). I think not many Deaf people can write as well as I can. I’ve even been called a leader of Deaf people.

Here’s a challenge for you my fellow Kiwi. Learn both basic NZSL and basic Maori, there’s an ideal time coming up, namely NZSL Week which runs from 10 to 16 May, you can go to a taster class in your town. Do you accept this challenge? Maori Language Week is 13-19 Sept.

Can you put yourself in and walk kilometres in the shoes of Maori people and Deaf people whose minority languages aren’t understood by the majority of Kiwis? Lots of members of both groups have experienced significant disparities.

Here’s something like putting yourself in the shoes of Maori, read the story “Poverty will cripple Māori if housing crisis is not addressed - iwi leader”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/30...ed--iwi-leader

Perhaps being more fluent in Maori will enable you to assist more with closing these disparities in the Stuff.co.nz story in partnership with Maori? And it’ll help you understand Simon Dallow’s Te Reo. Bravo on TVNZ for showing leadership with this use of Maori now.

Cheers,
Barry.

I want to quickly add a word to this question:
"in partnership with Maori?"

to "in equal partnership with Maori?".

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Originally Posted by barryk

Appreciate your point of view. NZ is a free country with free speech which I support. I’m therefore allowed to use my own free speech.

I’m myself a member of a minority group, Deaf people who use NZ Sign Language (NZSL). I think not many Deaf people can write as well as I can. I’ve even been called a leader of Deaf people.

Here’s a challenge for you my fellow Kiwi. Learn both basic NZSL and basic Maori, there’s an ideal time coming up, namely NZSL Week which runs from 10 to 16 May, you can go to a taster class in your town. Do you accept this challenge? Maori Language Week is 13-19 Sept.

Can you put yourself in and walk kilometres in the shoes of Maori people and Deaf people whose minority languages aren’t understood by the majority of Kiwis? Lots of members of both groups have experienced significant disparities.

Here’s something like putting yourself in the shoes of Maori, read the story “Poverty will cripple Māori if housing crisis is not addressed - iwi leader”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/30...ed--iwi-leader

Perhaps being more fluent in Maori will enable you to assist more with closing these disparities in the Stuff.co.nz story in partnership with Maori? And it’ll help you understand Simon Dallow’s Te Reo. Bravo on TVNZ for showing leadership with this use of Maori now.

Cheers,
Barry.

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The use of sign language is fully justified. It enables anyone with no other option to communicate with others and understand what is happening in their world. The same cannot be said about the Maori language.

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Originally Posted by gary67

Up the side stream 100m or so is the cave, the actual resurgence has been dived but one diver is still in there 20 years on. Cave divers are mad.

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Actually, I seem to recall that a group of Aussies retrieved Dave's body some years ago when they came across it during an exploration.
Edit: found an article that mentioned his body was retrieved in Jan 1997.

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Originally Posted by user

Actually, I seem to recall that a group of Aussies retrieved Dave's body some years ago when they came across it during an exploration.
Edit: found an article that mentioned his body was retrieved in Jan 1997.

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Interesting as the other guy told me it was still in there. But I don't know that for sure.

I don't know NZ sign language but do know basic BSL

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Originally Posted by gary67

But I don't know that for sure.

I don't know NZ sign language but do know basic BSL

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Hmmmmm :confused:

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Originally Posted by B.M.

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Hmmmmm :confused:

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Nope British sign language, which just like speech has many local interpretations and accents