https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-...long/100337488
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Yes just saw Dave from EEVblog covering this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukuSxK5VpI8
Notice there is no report in our Media? :D
Conspiracy or merely slack-arsed journalists?Quote:
Originally Posted by B.M.
Media Policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by KarameaDave
Guess thats a FAIL then ;)Quote:
The fire broke out during testing of a Tesla megapack at the Victorian Big Battery site near Geelong.
Further to above.
A number of Media Outlets have a policy of not publishing anything that might contradict the Editors opinion on the matter.
For Instance "Stuff" have a section Titled "Quick Save the Planet" and are quite clear that anything contrary to the Editors beliefs will not be published.
Here's a copy of what I've saved.
The editorial continued:
This project accepts a statement that shouldn't be controversial but somehow still is: climate change is real and caused by human activity.
Mature adults can disagree about the impact of climate change and how we should react. We'll feature a wide range of views as part of this project, but we won't include climate change "scepticism". Including denialism wouldn't be "balanced"; it'd be a dangerous waste of time. The experts have debunked denialism, so now we'll move on.
The Guardian is another that won't tolerate debate.
I'm sure that reporting both sides of a story is not in their best interest. ;)
No, they are going to rebrand it as the "Worlds Biggest Arc Welder" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wainuitech
Batteries meh....
In Stuff today a Mosgiel woman was complaining her $98000 car had to be driven to Ch/ch for repairs, being the nearest tesla fixit place.
Speaking of batteries my Warehouse car battery started to rr rr a bit in mornings so I bought a new one yesterday.
Rather than wait for jumpstarting hassles.
Supercheap were $209 and $15 to put it in. I said OK and then the drama started, checklists and plugging in of some gadget to 12v then refusing cause it has an immobiliser. (Why it mattered who knows, told them it's no big deal, have DIYed it before)
So I went down to Repco. $170 and he carried it out and put it in for nothing, 5 mins no hassles. And took my old one for me.
Which was nice, saved me having to dispose of old one/
Oh no an electric car caught fire…ban them all. But let’s leave all the ice cars catch fires and not bother reporting on those either (because it’s too frequent)
psycik, you didn't read the article, it's not about cars, although Tesla is involved.
Fire is finally under control after three days:
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...into-day-three
Very interesting zqwerty.Quote:
Originally Posted by zqwerty
I note that this incident still has not been reported by the NZ Media, so am I to assume that the $50M Jacinda gave to the Media was “Hush Money” to not report anything that was contrary or damaging to Government Policy?
It would seem it is now confirmed that normal fire-fighting protocols can’t be used in one of these fires and all that can be done is protect the surrounding area and try and stop the spread.
And it looks like the Stock Market punters have heard about this Epic Fail because Neoen Shares have dropped 7.32%. Oh dear.
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After psycik's comment I decided to look more deeply into car fires and guess what, Wikipedia has an entry for "Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-i...fire_incidents
That Link is getting historic and probably not a lot of use given as far as I can tell the end of the test period was about 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by zqwerty
This bit got my attention though: :)
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That Screenshot is a bit hard to read so I'll try again.
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Plenty more petrol vehicles on the roads though and petrol fires can be put out.
The fire problem in electric vehicles will get worse as the battery packs age and the individual cells lose capacity at uneven rates.
Again I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by zqwerty
One that I read in one of those links, (that is right out of left field), was one fire was caused by the vehicle being driven through Salt Water. :eek:
Seems EV Beach Buggy's won't last long. :)
Thats because its hardly newsworthy . Do we expect to see news articles of every fire in the world , or every fire at power substations worldwide ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by B.M.
There is no conspiracy . If it wasnt made by Telsa , no one else in the world would care .
Tin foil hats off everyone :-)
As for electric car fires, its far too soon to be looking at %'s & stats. Wait another 5-10 years as things age & more cheap EV's are in use and we get more reckless idiots driving them .
As they get cheaper , costs will be cut . No point in looking at markets where the NO1 EV is a very expensive EV. Look at the cheapies that will eventually be market leaders .
And not every EV fire is caused by the batt . Just as my car fire wasnt caused by petrol (was caused by plastic engine parts falling onto exhaust )
EV fires are harder to put out though , and can & do reignite several times . One recommendation given to fire depts was to simply let them burn themselves out .
Hardly Newsworthy :lol: Others didn't see it that way. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1101
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ONLY because of the name Tesla . Any other fires in power substations etc dont make worldwide news.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.M.
So its little more than gossip , only reported because of the brand name.
:)
being in the news doesnt make things newsworthy .
That's because they aren't of such magnitude. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1101
Well who would have thought?
"The fire, which has not previously been reported on in the news media, is one in a string of recent examples showing what can happen when electric cars are left parked in garages to charge overnight. The issue is causing mounting concern as a number of electric-vehicle makers have warned owners not to leave the cars charging unattended in certain circumstances, or sitting fully charged in garages."
HERE
Vindum eventually replaced the Teslas with a gasoline-powered Audi from the insurance payout
"Gasoline driven cars don't catch fire in the garage when they're sitting there. And that's the difference," he said. "I don't worry about [my] Audi catching fire downstairs when it's not running."
I read about this fire in Stuff yesterday. Not sure I'd be looking at an EV anytime soon if they recommend not charging at home in the garage unattended or leaving it parked there fully charged. I suspect this applies to any BEV. Not sure how this applies to PHEVs
With the NMC and NCA battery chemistries the battery can combust, especially so if overcharged. Heat and overcharging of these types will cause battery degradation, and if you want to actually look after these batteries it should be a routine practice not to charge beyond about 80% on a daily basis, or to discharge below 10%.
The cheaper, less energetic (less energy dense) LFP chemistry doesn't suffer this same fire or degrataion risk, and can be safely charged up to 100% regularly. Given it is also cheaper, and more ethically and enviro acceptable without the Cobalt of the other varieties we can expect to see LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) become a lot more common in domestic cars, with the more combustible 'exotic' chemistries reserved for high performance and haulage vehicles.
The fire in the battery farm does seem odd, given LFP (which is weightier but cheaper) is the logical choice for a non-mobile application like a battery farm.
The system was being stress tested, so maybe they just pushed it a bit too far over spec. Overheating in this scenario is most likely if charging is done too quickly, but a backup reserve such as this really doesn't need to be fast charged, and can be trickle charged over days or weeks, which is easier on the batteries, and on the power grid.
Extract from lengthy epistle:
There have been around 40 known fires that have occurred within large-scale, lithium ion battery energy storage systems, according to Christensen’s research. Those incidents, most of which occurred in the past three years, date back to 2012, and include four fires at three facilities in the U.S. in Arizona, Wisconsin and Illinois.
A 2019 disaster at the McMicken battery plant in Surprise, Arizona, seriously injured four emergency responders and is the most profound incident at a big battery in the U.S. to-date. Utility Arizona Public Service owns the site, and Fluence had provided that battery system.
In Beijing, two firefighters died, one more was injured and another first responder was missing after responding to a fire in a lithium-iron phosphate battery, which was connected to a rooftop solar installation at a shopping mall.
Lithium-iron phosphate batteries are currently considered to be the safest form of lithium ion battery, because the structure of the material in its cathode doesn’t break down until higher temperatures compared to other types of batteries, for example, that contain nickel manganese cobalt.
The safety of large energy systems employing LFP batteries is currently being reviewed in light of recent developments.
GM extends recall to cover all Chevy Bolts due to fire risk:
https://apnews.com/article/technolog...d634fc3c0f3461
Someone has to go Broke with this stupid nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by zqwerty
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Tesla driver crashes into Tarrytown gas station, bursts into flames Thursday:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/tes...lames-thursday