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Gedc
21-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Guys.

Looking at getting something like the following from computerlounge who have helped me with most of the layout below. Just keen to know if its overkill for what I generally use the PC for and should I be downgrading the processer and motherboard ( for example). The last machine I built was in 2000 and was relatively well specced. Its starting to get very tired now. I've got a chunky tax rebate (from 2005 of all years!!!) and have some cash to spend but don't want to buy latest tech when it might be of little use. I generally use the PC for the following - :badpc:

50% Internet, Torrents, browsing etc,
15% Gaming - Not always the latest and greatest but generally newer ones
15% Editing Digital Images, CS2, Burning DVD's, CD's, Ripping etc
10% Video Editing - New Sony HD, HDD camcorder to empty and edit
10% watching movies / Perhaps Freeview HD at a later stage

The spec is as follows :

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz processor Socket LGA1366, 8MB L3 Cache

ASUS P6T X58 (Socket LGA1366) Core i7 PCI-E DDR3 Crossfire + SLi Motherboard

Lian-Li PC-7FW Aluminium Mid Tower Case with blue led fan

Corsair TR3X3G1333C9 (3GB) 3x1GB DDR3-1333 XMS3 9-9-9-24

Noctua NH-U12B CPU Cooler and Fan

ASUS DRW-20B1LT 20x LightScribe DVD Writer

Corsair 650W TX Series Power Supply

Galaxy nVidia Geforce GTX 260+ Core 216 896MB DDR3 PCI-E

LG W2252TQ-PF 22" 10000:1 2MS Piano Black HDCP Black LCD

Western Digital 640GB Black Caviar SATAII 7200RPM 32MB Cache

Still to add mouse, keyboard and not sure if I need a seperate sound card.

Approx price so far of $3100 inc GST.

Thanks for some learned input.

Blam
21-01-2009, 06:03 PM
IMO that's overkill for what you're going to do.

2000 dollars should be enough for what you're after

Netsukeninja
21-01-2009, 06:18 PM
I'd drop the i7/DDR3 combo and just go for DDR2-1066 and either AMD Phenom II or Intel Q6600/E8400

kersonan
21-01-2009, 06:46 PM
I'm a big overkill fan myself, but i'd go with something a little more conventional if your not gaming much.

drop the I7 gears, the rests all good imo

memphis
21-01-2009, 07:19 PM
Yeah I think ddr 3 ram still costs too much for fast low latency ddr3 that is.
Sure you can get some at a good price but the good stuff is pretty dear.
But hay if you can afford it well,enjoy,but personally I would wait for the faster/good ddr 3 ram to become cheaper.
The E8400,E8500,E8600,and the quad series cpu's are plenty fast for most people.
Plus I want more i7 motherboard's to come out so they become cheaper and we get more to choose from and of course better ones as well.

pctek
21-01-2009, 09:20 PM
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz processor Socket LGA1366, 8MB L3 Cache

ASUS P6T X58 (Socket LGA1366) Core i7 PCI-E DDR3 Crossfire + SLi Motherboard

Lian-Li PC-7FW Aluminium Mid Tower Case with blue led fan

Corsair TR3X3G1333C9 (3GB) 3x1GB DDR3-1333 XMS3 9-9-9-24

Noctua NH-U12B CPU Cooler and Fan

ASUS DRW-20B1LT 20x LightScribe DVD Writer

Corsair 650W TX Series Power Supply

Galaxy nVidia Geforce GTX 260+ Core 216 896MB DDR3 PCI-E

LG W2252TQ-PF 22" 10000:1 2MS Piano Black HDCP Black LCD

Western Digital 640GB Black Caviar SATAII 7200RPM 32MB Cache


CHange the graphics card to Gigabyte or ASUS.
Bump the PSU up to 750w.
Other than that I'll go away and drool over the specs now........

Gedc
21-01-2009, 09:47 PM
Guys

Thx for your help so far..Not having looked at PC's for 7 years apart from sticking in larger HD's I am very confused! If i changed the mobo, processor and memory to the following, is there anything else I need to be concerned or thinking of? Also, would the revised setup allow me to install a tv card for HD freeview etc without stuttering or creep in viewing?

INTEL CORE 2 DUO E8500 3.16GHZ + THERMALRIGHT ULTRA 120 COOLER

ASUS P5Q DELUXE INTEL LGA775 P45 ATX

CORSAIR TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX 2 X 2GB DDR2-800 XMS2

Lian-Li PC-7FW Aluminium Mid Tower Case with blue led fan

ASUS DRW-20B1LT 20x LightScribe DVD Writer

Corsair 650W TX Series Power Supply

Galaxy nVidia Geforce GTX 260+ Core 216 896MB DDR3 PCI-E - Will this run okay in new mobo?

LG W2252TQ-PF 22" 10000:1 2MS Piano Black HDCP Black LCD

Western Digital 640GB Black Caviar SATAII 7200RPM 32MB Cache

Now down to around $2100..Quite a difference...

Appreciate your comments on the first suggested build. Will i notice major differences in speed etc or prob not based on what I use it for?

Thank you

qazwsxokmijn
21-01-2009, 09:52 PM
Yep.....it all looks good. Some people don't like Galaxy though. I do personally like Asus or Gigabyte better.

Gedc
21-01-2009, 09:58 PM
Yep..Just saw PCtek's post as well..I'll keep digging and post back tomorrow..

Then I need to build the git without killing it :)

Ta

memphis
22-01-2009, 10:03 AM
Yeah a bigger psu would be good such as a 750/850 watt so you have some headroom for later on for when you upgrade your graphics card in the future etc.

A 22x sata dvd burner as well.

This would be better:Intel Core 2 Duo E8600, 3.33GHz dual core 6MB 45nm -(Make sure you get a EO Steeping cpu can be overclocked to 4Ghz +).

Check out computer component prices on www.pricespy.co.nz (http://www.pricespy.co.nz)

SolMiester
22-01-2009, 10:11 AM
CHange the graphics card to Gigabyte or ASUS.
Bump the PSU up to 750w.
Other than that I'll go away and drool over the specs now........

+1

dugimodo
23-01-2009, 10:32 AM
as for freeview you'll be fine. My E6750 @ 2.66 can software decode TV3 at about 60 -70% cpu and the old AMD 5600+ managed fairly well too.

Most new Nvidia cards support purevideo hd which can do the decoding work and reduce cpu load to around 10% or less, providing you have a suitable codec. There are major threads on freeview here and on geekzone if you get to that stage.

Gedc
28-01-2009, 03:14 PM
Thanks again for your help guys. Think we are getting there!. I'm 100% set on keyboard, mouse, PSU, monitor and case ( i think ) - either a lian li or an antec 900 . Still reviewing dual core or quad core chipsets and need some further help here as well as what video card to go with. Found lots of articles saying an e8500 or 8600 versus quad for gaming then realised they were written back in July/ August 2008. Now finding articles saying quad core are more future proof and gaming is / will be written to take advantage of them. I plan on gaming a fair bit now hence help as well with video card.I'll also be editing video but just HD home movies etc and playing with photoshop. I wont be rendering or encrypting anything.

So is there now a leaning based on available tech etc that still says go dual core? I dont plan on overclocking etc in the interim. Just want a solid and stable machine. Can you recommend CPU and Mobo combination for either. Want to go Intel for now thanks.

Also plan to spend around $400 to $650 ish tops on a vid card. What would be best for the system and useage I am looking for. Could someone please name a couple etc they know so I can review online. Thanks again. Think we are just about there...Finally..given I like xp and not vista, would xp 64 run the system well and give me best results or would I be better off installing vista. I plan to upgrade CPU and mobo in around 3 years

Thanks again.

qazwsxokmijn
28-01-2009, 04:28 PM
CPU: Q9450 or Q9550.
Mobo: Any P45 based Gigabyte or Asus

Video card: ATI 4870 or GeForce GTX260+ (Only the + version, which has 216 shader processors)

Blam
28-01-2009, 04:30 PM
Quad core if you're going to do ALOT of multitasking and run programs that use all four cores, or dual core for general stuff.

Quad cores might be good for gaming soon as some games are starting to take advantage of 4 cores.

I reckon an E8400 will be good for a dual, and a Q6600 or a Q9550 for a quad.

Mobo I would recommend the P5Q series, Pro if you're wanting to go crossfire soon.

GFX card:http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=7995

4870 would have to be my fav.

You'd be better off running vista I reckon, but XP will be fine.

Get W7 when it comes out though.

64bit is good, less issues with it these days.

Blam

Sherman
28-01-2009, 08:21 PM
From what I've been able to gather:

AVOID Windows XP 64 bit like the plague...

Get either 32 bit XP, or 32/64 bit Vista.

memphis
28-01-2009, 08:43 PM
From what I've been able to gather:

AVOID Windows XP 64 bit like the plague...

Get either 32 bit XP, or 32/64 bit Vista.

I have XP Pro 64 bit and it's sweet for me!!!:):D:thumbs:

memphis
28-01-2009, 08:55 PM
CPU: Q9450 or Q9550.
Mobo: Any P45 based Gigabyte or Asus

Video card: ATI 4870 or GeForce GTX260+ (Only the + version, which has 216 shader processors)

+1
Q9650 would be nice if you can afford it though!!!:):D

Oh and make sure you get a good brand psu 750/850 wattage and get a modular one as well to power your new rig.-(Corsair,Enermax).By getting a big watt. psu you will be able to use it again for future upgrades and if you were to cross fire or sli later on you would need it to be able to power two graphic cards.:thumbs:

Gedc
30-01-2009, 09:01 PM
Think this is it. Once again, thanks for the lookover and let me know of any obvious issues. Will be used for net, new games/gaming, camcorder stuff and ripping the odd dvd/cd. I'll also be using photoshop adhoc as well to play with raw/jpeg but not major stuff. I've gone for dual core given I dont plan to require lots of multitasking or indeed encoding of videos etc. I also plan on playing around with a little overclocking but not hugely..

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33Ghz 6MB 1333MHz 45nm LGA775

ASUS P5Q PRO INTEL LGA775 P45 CROSSFIRE ATX

CORSAIR TWIN2X4096-8500C5D 2X2GB XMS2 DOMINATOR DDR2

Corsair 750W TX Series Power Supply

ASUS Extreme ATI HD4870 Matrix 512MB GDDR5, PCI-E 2.0, TV-OUT, DVI, HDCP

Western Digital 640GB Caviar 16MB Cache SATAII 7200 RPM ( Two of these)

LG W2252TQ-PF 22" 10000:1 2MS Piano Black HDCP Black LCD

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM 64BIT DVD English

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (New 2007 Model)

Logitech G5 Laser Gaming Mouse (2007 edition)

Do I need the following ?

THERMALRIGHT ULTRA-120 EXTREME INTEL LGA775 COOLER 120MM FAN

ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channel PCI Express 2.0 - Whats onboard sound like?

Creative Inspire M2600 Speaker System 2.1

Finally, whats a decent case - not bothered about side panel etc as you wont really see it against the wall. Have space for a larger case but something thats quiet and plenty of room, easy to fit out. It could look like a coffin. Its in a room that only I use so cant show it off..

Thankyou again. I look forward to comments so I can frighten the visa card to the tune of around $3700 :groan::groan:

Speedy Gonzales
30-01-2009, 09:08 PM
If the onboard sound on the mobo is 8 channel, it should be good enough.

Altho whats the point in getting a Xonar, if youre only getting 2:1 speakers?

Blam
30-01-2009, 09:25 PM
I reckon you should get the E8400 instead of the E8600, the only difference is the tiny clock speed difference that you could easily overclock, even with the Intel Stock HSF.

As for your question about the cooler-yes, you could get that if you wanted to overclock(You'd see quite a performance boost), with the tt ultra extreme(second best air cooler) you could easily get the E8400 up to 4ghz, prob 4.4ghz.

Case-Antec 900 for the ultimate cooling case, or whatever really, its just your personal preference.

Blam

qazwsxokmijn
30-01-2009, 09:37 PM
Temp wise it should be reasonably easy to get an E8400 at 4GHz with a TRUE120. The hard thing is to get it completely stable with Orthos or P95 or IBR or a combination of the three softwares.

My E8400 is nice and reasonably cool at 4GHz but it will never be stable under anything less than 1.45v and I dare not to touch a voltage anywhere as close to 1.45v ever again.

Gedc
30-01-2009, 10:11 PM
Thanks speedy for the sound card info..Will prob just stick with motherboard sound just now to keep costs down.

Regarding e8400 or e8600...I thought the 8600 would provide a significantly faster (and stable) platform without the need for clocking..albeit for lots of extra $$$$

At computerlounge where I am building this stuff, I see the 8400 is around $359, the 8500 is $399 and the 8600 is $599 so quite a difference. At $40 extra would an 8500 offer me much more to play with or u guys convinced the 8400 will be fine and dandy..:thanks


P.S Is TRUE the copper heatsink and fan?
Cheers

Ged

qazwsxokmijn
30-01-2009, 10:43 PM
Thanks speedy for the sound card info..Will prob just stick with motherboard sound just now to keep costs down.

Regarding e8400 or e8600...I thought the 8600 would provide a significantly faster (and stable) platform without the need for clocking..albeit for lots of extra $$$$

At computerlounge where I am building this stuff, I see the 8400 is around $359, the 8500 is $399 and the 8600 is $599 so quite a difference. At $40 extra would an 8500 offer me much more to play with or u guys convinced the 8400 will be fine and dandy..:thanks


P.S Is TRUE the copper heatsink and fan?
Cheers

Ged
I can pretty much guarantee your E8x00 CPU would overclock up to 3.6GHz without breaking a sweat. But then again, if you have the money and don't intend to overclock, then an E8600 is good to go.

TRUE/TRUE120 is an acronym for Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. They have aluminium fins and 6 heatpipes with a copper base coated in a thin layer of some other metal. The copper edition TRUE120 is all copper - no aluminium at all. It's more expensive - double the price of a normal TRUE120 and performs only 1-2 degrees cooler than a normal edition TRUE120. The fan is not included, so you can choose any 12cm fan you'd like.

Gedc
31-01-2009, 12:09 AM
Good enough for me..8400 it is.. Thanks again..

Last question..When I'm building it do I wear an earth strap or is it sufficient to touch the case regularly and not be shuffling my feet in a pair of socks on a nylon carpet :D

dugimodo
31-01-2009, 12:32 AM
Last question..When I'm building it do I wear an earth strap or is it sufficient to touch the case regularly and not be shuffling my feet in a pair of socks on a nylon carpet :D

an earth strap is the ultimate in safe, but frequent eathing is sufficient really. I usually like to plug in the psu but leave it turned off at the wall, then use it to earth myself.

Really worth doing too, a lot of people don't bother and I'm sure it's the reason for many a weird fault that can't be tracked down. Way back when I trained in such things they taught that static damage often takes a long time to show up and may cause anything from minor faults to complete failure.

LynX
31-01-2009, 07:39 PM
The new config is better, but it seems that GF 260 is kinda too expensive. You can get similar performance with half the price with ATI Radeon 4870 (even though I am a nVidia fan:blush:). You'd probably don't need that much power, plus (I think) you can get Crossfire with a ATI graphics and an Intel chipset.

Gedc
01-02-2009, 10:06 PM
So, the more I read the more I learn or come here to ask questions :thanks

My Mobo - ASUS P5Q Pro supports Dual-channel DDR2 1200/1066/800/667 MHz .The fastest DDR 2 memory I can see at Computerlounge is 1066 MHZ.

Given my Mobo I plan to buy takes upto 1200MHz should I be seeking out the faster memory?

Everything was okay so far until I read people recommending NOT to install memory that runs at more than 1.9v. Why is this ?

The stuff I'd chosen runs at 2.2v and is in the link below. Its the most expensive. See link.

www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=7081 (http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=7081)

Is there benefit or not in buying the cheaper memory as in

http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=7489
or

http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=4450

And finally. I'm pretty good with putting things together etc. How difficult will it be setting up Bios or is it fairly automatic if I dont plan to OC in the initial.
It'll save me another lump of cash to DIY
Thanks again...

Gedc
02-02-2009, 03:03 PM
Given I've had more time to google. Im going with the following memory at 800MhZ and approx $100 cheaper.

Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX 2 X 2GB DDR

Blam
02-02-2009, 05:21 PM
Yep, that looks OK, as you can easily overclock that to match your CPU fsb.

Blam