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Openingfuel
02-01-2009, 05:02 PM
Hi

Anyone know AMD's next move to compete with intels i7s and ati's move to contend with nvidia's gtx series, or is it to soon to tell?

GameJunkie
02-01-2009, 05:07 PM
its the phenom2 at the moment isn't it?

Openingfuel
02-01-2009, 05:11 PM
any idea when its going to come out?

Metla
02-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Next move would be to admit defeat and covert the factories over to making clock radio's and popcorn machines.

GameJunkie
02-01-2009, 05:25 PM
any idea when its going to come out?

mid to late January from what i can find

GameJunkie
02-01-2009, 05:29 PM
here's a list of new amd processors


* Phenom II X4 945 Black edition - > 3.0 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM3, April 2009;
* Phenom II X4 940 Black edition - > 3.0 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM2+, on January, 2009;
* Phenom II X4 925 - > 2.8 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM3, February 2009;
* Phenom II X4 920 - > 2.8 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM2+, 8 January, 2009;
* Phenom II X4 910 - > 2.6 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM3, February 2009;
* Phenom II X4 810 - > 2.6 GHz, 6 MB, Deneb, Socket AM3, February 2009;
* Phenom II X4 805 - > 2.5 GHz, 6 MB, Deneb, Socket AM3, February 2009;
* Phenom OF II X3 720 Black Of edition - > 2.8 GHz, 7.5 MB., Heka, Socket AM3, February 2009;
* Phenom II X3 710 - > 2.6 GHz, 7.5 MB, Heka, Socket AM3, February 2009;
* Athlon X4 615 - > 2.7 GHz, 2 MB, Propus, Socket AM3, April 2009;
* Athlon X4 605 - > 2.5 GHz, 2 MB, Propus, Socket AM3, April 2009;
* Athlon X3 420 - > 2.8 GHz, 1.5 MB, Rana, Socket AM3, April 2009;
* Athlon X3 410 - > 2.6 GHz, 1.5 MB., Rana, Socket AM3, April 2009;
* Athlon X2 240 - > 2.8 GHz, 2 MB, Regor, Socket AM3, June 2009;
* Athlon X2 235 - > 2.7 GHz, 2 MB, Regor, Socket AM3, June 2009.

Openingfuel
02-01-2009, 05:35 PM
Where did you find all this? I want to have a look for my self

GameJunkie
02-01-2009, 05:37 PM
here (http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-7119-view-AMD-phenom-II-AM3-release-date.html)

Openingfuel
02-01-2009, 05:38 PM
Thanks for all your help!:D

Digby
02-01-2009, 08:09 PM
here's a list of new AMD processors

* Phenom II X4 945 Black edition - > 3.0 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM3, April 2009;
* Phenom II X4 940 Black edition - > 3.0 GHz, 8 MB, Deneb, Socket AM2+, on January, 2009;
* Phenom OF II X3 720 Black Of edition - > 2.8 GHz, 7.5 MB., Heka, Socket AM3, February 2009;

Just because Barrack Obama got in they are making CPU's just for him !

I always buy AMD - cos without them Intel would charge a lot more !

pcuser7895
02-01-2009, 09:35 PM
i'm pretty new to the computer industry only 10 months
and buy looking at old magazines and books, AMD used to be ahead?

Netsukeninja
02-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Leaked AMD Phenom II info: http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/amdph2.png

enjoy, one more week til a 3.0ghz quad from AMD

GameJunkie
02-01-2009, 10:14 PM
intel and amd have always been at each others throat(correct me if im wrong), but ask any F1er and they will always suggest intel for upgrades, new builds etc. the gap between the two is close but me pesonally would go for intel in my pc build if that was to ever happen( hopefully this year :D).

im sure others will wholeheartedly disagree with some of what i've said but hey :D.

Metla
02-01-2009, 10:15 PM
AMD used to be ahead?


Performance wise AMD spanked Intel hard for a period of 2 or 3 years , But Intel still charged twice as much and outsold AMD by a country mile for the entire period.

Netsukeninja
02-01-2009, 10:24 PM
It seems the PHII 940 is gonna cost around $480 NZD, and the core i7 940 (2.93ghz) is $1.2k NZD

GameJunkie
02-01-2009, 10:55 PM
and the core i7 940 (2.93ghz) is $1.2k NZD

$1.2k:eek::eek::eek::eek:

i could build a decent pc on that money :lol:

SolMiester
02-01-2009, 11:02 PM
Just because Barrack Obama got in they are making CPU's just for him !

I always buy AMD - cos without them Intel would charge a lot more !

WOW, I really have to say............................LOL......thats just stupid!...LMAO

SolMiester
02-01-2009, 11:06 PM
It seems the PHII 940 is gonna cost around $480 NZD, and the core i7 940 (2.93ghz) is $1.2k NZD

No one will be buying the 940..........<shakes head>....oh boy......the entry level 920 clocks well beyond 3.5Ghz without breaking a sweat on the stock cooler ***.....until AMD can put a thermal envelope on there chips that complete with Intel, they will not gain back the dominance in the enthusiasts market

Netsukeninja
02-01-2009, 11:44 PM
I saw a video of some people ocing the PHII 940 to 6.3ghz (on liquid nitro of course) http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php this aint it just interesting haha

SolMiester
03-01-2009, 12:23 AM
Oh humm...same with i7....but tell me, whats the point of that?

ZapperBoy10647
03-01-2009, 12:40 AM
Ive always been a amd fan; atleast for there athlon 64 x2 range. perfext functionality and performance. low price good quality.

will still with amd because they always come out better quality/cost than amd

Digby
03-01-2009, 05:56 AM
WOW, I really have to say............................LOL......thats just stupid!...LMAO

I don't know how long you have been in IT, but I was around in the 80's when IBM PC's first came out.

I worked for and then owned a company that sold PC's. They all had Intel CPU's. Every month we got new price lists from our suppliers. Long lists of Intel CPU's. Every now and then they introduced a new faster chip at the top of their range and the rest all moved down. But the prices overall NEVER dropped.

It was only when AMD came out that Intel were forced to drop their prices in a big way.

So if people don't support the opposition (buy buying them) the incumbent will keep their prices up.

Cicero
03-01-2009, 08:50 AM
I don't know how long you have been in IT, but I was around in the W's when IBM PC's first came out.

I worked for and then owned a company that sold PC's. They all had Intel CPU's. Every month we got new price lists from our suppliers. Long lists of Intel CPU's. Every now and then they introduced a new faster chip at the top of their range and the rest all moved down. But the prices overall NEVER dropped.

It was only when AMD came out that Intel were forced to drop their prices in a big way.

So if people don't support the opposition (buy buying them) the incumbent will keep their prices up.
Are you the chap who owned the PC company?;)

Digby
03-01-2009, 10:23 AM
Are you the chap who owned the PC company?;)

No but I knew them, and did buy from them, till they got too big and greedy !

Netsukeninja
03-01-2009, 01:28 PM
Well I can't find any Core i7s at 6ghz or more, so I guess AMD might be the enthusiasts choice eventually.




Original Author: Richard Swinburne of Bit-Tech.net

In a ravenously positive post on Theo Valich's blog, formerly of Inquirer and TGDaily fame, he claims that AMD has worked specifically with extreme overclockers for the first time in years to achieve a 45nm design that is claimed to work flawlessly from -200C to +100C!

AMD has tweaked the on-die sensor to not lock the part when below zero and AMD techies have apparently worked around cold bugs in the new K10.5 architecture.

Apparently a with a good aircooled heatsink "4.0 GHz is a given on almost every Black Edition CPU that will hit the stores starting January 8, 2009." Watercooling is then claimed to hit 4.5GHz+ and extreme cooling has hit 6GHz in AMD, claims Theo.

Phenom II will launch as part of the new "Dragon" platform in January, along with the 790GX/FX northbridges and SB750 southbridge that includes the new ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration) function. This ACC function is apparently crucial to these overclocking escapades though, effectively making those who own boards with SB600 southbridges or Nvidia chipsets unable to achieve such levels of performance.

We approached Nvidia and asked if future Nvidia MCPs will also feature ACC and it confirmed that it's not an exclusive AMD technology and Nvidia products will feature it. This will enable better choice for the consumer, rather than the one horse race Intel is currently having.

Theo also claims AMD's latest AM3 Phenom II CPUs generate 16GB/s from dual channel DDR3 1,333MHz. While this is clearly less than Intel's triple channel malarkey with Core i7, we've seen in our initial Core i7 review it does little to further performance over dual channel.

The advantage Intel has is a higher integrated memory controller clock and faster core-uncore access over AMD. We can only hope AMD improves this internal latency with K10.5.

Finally, if a Phenom II 940 Black Edition (this is AM2+ however) is "40 percent of the amount you have to shell out for Core i7 Extreme 965," this could be perceived as good value. However, 40 percent of ~875 = 350, 35 percent more than the very popular Core i7 920 that also hits 4GHz and is just 260. When we consider the platform cost though - AM2+ uses far cheaper DDR2, and AMD motherboards are generally a fraction of the price of the current Intel X58 boards out there, so it could all work out remarkably well balanced. The only final consideration is performance.



http://www.pcflip.com/articles.php?view=news&id=114

SolMiester
06-01-2009, 04:41 PM
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mikebartnz
06-01-2009, 11:33 PM
Next move would be to admit defeat and covert the factories over to making clock radio's and popcorn machines.
I wouldn't give up on them so easily. Read this (http://newsticker.welt.de/?module=smarthouse&id=828825)

Chilling_Silence
07-01-2009, 12:54 AM
Ive always liked how AMD offer good bang-for-buck.

Unfortunately Ive been using soley Atom boards lately due to their 1U size on a mini-itx board. Just wish there was a bit more variety ...

Still love nVidia and wouldnt buy anything else ;)

Fifthdawn
07-01-2009, 09:53 PM
Ive always liked how AMD offer good bang-for-buck.

Unfortunately Ive been using soley Atom boards lately due to their 1U size on a mini-itx board. Just wish there was a bit more variety ...

Still love nVidia and wouldnt buy anything else ;)

I guess you are looking foward to nVidia Ion platforms then :)

Metla
07-01-2009, 10:16 PM
I wouldn't give up on them so easily. Read this (http://newsticker.welt.de/?module=smarthouse&id=828825)



Its not in English
It appears to be am index featuring many many articles.

This leaves me in a bit of a pickle, am I expected to learn a foreign language I haven't yet identified so I can read what maybe hundreds or thousands of pages of text in order to restore my faith in AMD?

gary67
08-01-2009, 08:15 AM
It's German although I can't read it either

SolMiester
08-01-2009, 09:51 AM
I don't know how long you have been in IT, but I was around in the 80's when IBM PC's first came out.

I worked for and then owned a company that sold PC's. They all had Intel CPU's. Every month we got new price lists from our suppliers. Long lists of Intel CPU's. Every now and then they introduced a new faster chip at the top of their range and the rest all moved down. But the prices overall NEVER dropped.

It was only when AMD came out that Intel were forced to drop their prices in a big way.

So if people don't support the opposition (buy buying them) the incumbent will keep their prices up.

Well then Digby, YOU buy the AMD cpu's even if they arent the current bang for buck solution...someone has too no?...Thats the worst excuse ever mate!

Netsukeninja
08-01-2009, 10:08 AM
Well then Digby, YOU buy the AMD cpu's even if they arent the current bang for buck solution...someone has too no?...Thats the worst excuse ever mate!

I'm pretty sure the PHII will be the best bang for buck solution.

mikebartnz
08-01-2009, 10:51 PM
Its not in English
It appears to be am index featuring many many articles.

This leaves me in a bit of a pickle, am I expected to learn a foreign language I haven't yet identified so I can read what maybe hundreds or thousands of pages of text in order to restore my faith in AMD?
Sorry about that. The article was actually in English. Try this (http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/hp-ces-line-up-announced-dv2-notebook-mini-2140-firebird-and-more-2009016/) link instead.

zqwerty
09-01-2009, 08:28 AM
http://hothardware.com/Articles/Enter-The-Dragon-AMD-Phenom-II-X4-940

SolMiester
10-01-2009, 07:23 PM
I'm pretty sure the PHII will be the best bang for buck solution.

LOL...what you can read the future?...

What you fail to comprehend is that both Intel and Nvidia can drop their prices to such an extent that AMD cant be best bang for bang if Intel or Nvidia dont wish it too.

Netsukeninja
10-01-2009, 07:46 PM
LOL...what you can read the future?...

What you fail to comprehend is that both Intel and Nvidia can drop their prices to such an extent that AMD cant be best bang for bang if Intel or Nvidia dont wish it too.

Can, doesn't mean they will, have they ever? and what does this have to do with ATi/Nvidia, this thread was about CPUs.

SolMiester
10-01-2009, 10:15 PM
Can, doesn't mean they will, have they ever? and what does this have to do with ATi/Nvidia, this thread was about CPUs.

Yes, Intel have just release a price point drop, as they always would as soon as AMD became competitive...how old are you? and ATi is AMD, its the same with they graphic chip market....jeez.....