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James281
27-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Hi im going to build this PC and would like some recommendations, or if i should change any thing. I will use it for mainly gaming and playing the latest games, wont to play at max settings. Should i get a better Motherboard, if i plan to overclock in the furture?

Is Cross Fire a waste of money? Why dont i just get a mid/high card when my orginal card cant handle the games?

If this is a price/performance bang for buck system should i be changing my P5Q pro to a P5Q Deluxe? price difference is about $185 to $320 Would it be more furture proof or just a waste?



MotherBoard: Asustek P5Q Pro Intel P45 ATX:$182.25
Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB graphics card:$280.00
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Tower Gaming Case:$179.95
Ram : DDR2 4GB PC2-8000 DUAL CHANNEL:$149
Power Supply: Corsair 620W HX Modular Power Supply:$170
DVD Writer: Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer:$41.58
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2.4GHz, LGA775, quad core:$309.30
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate OEM 64-bit:$290.25
Hard Drive: Western Digital 640GB SATA 7200rpm hard drive:$121.49
Monitor: undecided LG W2252TQ 22" LCD 1680x1050 2ms DVI?for 22inch:$358.87?? possible 24inch

Total: Around $2100. Budget Around $2000.

Bantu
27-11-2008, 01:07 PM
Why not go with a board that can do DDR3. DDR2 is so last year.

I would personally also go with a Seagate HDD over WD.

Check out Viewsonic monitors on Ascent's site, they are good monitors.

SolMiester
27-11-2008, 01:13 PM
Well, not much wrong there....What I always say is that a single more powerful is better than 2 x less power multi GPU systems, the reason being, especially with CF, is that at present CF needs profiles in order to use crossfire, where as Nvidia does not. Therefore, AMD\ATi rushes out drivers for each new games, however they do not test every game and quite often break the fix introduced with last months driver release. Another thing to to think about, is if you get a Nvidia card now and want to upgrade to a more powerful card a year on, you can then use your older card as a physics card.

There is no doubt that the ATi 4850 is a great budget performance card, however ATi dont have the best driver, the card run quite hot, you need profiles for CF, and you dont get CUDA or Physics.

The only thing I'm not sure about with graphics and physics is if they need a Nvidia chipset motherboard to run, otherwise the ASUS P45 is an excellent choice.

With a 22" LCD both a 9800GTX or ATi4850 would be plenty for gaming, and are around the same price, however you can re-use the NV card as physics after replacing it...

My 2c

James281
27-11-2008, 01:25 PM
Why not go with a board that can do DDR3. DDR2 is so last year.

I would personally also go with a Seagate HDD over WD.

Check out Viewsonic monitors on Ascent's site, they are good monitors.


Alot of people say that DDR3 is a waste of money/ to expense i think i saw 4gb for over $400 and i can get 2x2gb DDR2 for $149

If i were to get a Motherboard that supports DDR3 ram which would it be?
Also i saw that the new Intel core i7 only can use DDR3 ram and it also needs there own specail Motherboard, So wouldnt it be wise to move to DDR3 ram when i build my next build in a few years which will be with a intel core i7 and the supporting motherboard?, as im looking for good bang for buck parts

Thanks

Battleneter2
27-11-2008, 01:25 PM
If your on a budget, personally for gaming I would loose the quad core and go 2 Duo E7200 and bump your GPU to a HD4870. The 4850 or and 4870 will STILL be the bottleneck in 'most' games at 1680x1050 and high quality settings.

Bottom line, a C2D@2.5 with a HD4870 will give you better performance than a Q6600@2.4 with a 4850.

There is prob only 10-15% in it and the cheaper CPU wont offset the price of the 4870 completely, but every frame counts imo. If you don't mind overclocking buy a nasty E2180 2.0GHz $120 and do a easy overclock to 3gig+ will also do the job very nicely.

pctek
27-11-2008, 01:31 PM
DDR3 itself is cheap but most of the motherboards aren't. I'd leave it at DDR2 if budget matters.

I would get a better graphics card though. As high end as you can stretch too.
Apart from that, nice choices.

SolMiester
27-11-2008, 01:36 PM
However the Dual Core is old tech, Quad Core cpu will have a longer life span than the Dual Core as we are at a speed limit of around 4Ghz....IPC and more cores is your speed increase...and more games now and in future will be multi core aware....

Battleneter2
27-11-2008, 01:55 PM
However the Dual Core is old tech, Quad Core cpu will have a longer life span than the Dual Core as we are at a speed limit of around 4Ghz....IPC and more cores is your speed increase...and more games now and in future will be multi core aware....

Its all about Rig bottlenecks not old and new tech. If the GPU is at 100% it makes NO difference if your CPU is only running at 50% or 80% due to improved multithreading and more CPU cores.

If money is no object "sure" go quad otherwise, your better off investing in the best GPU you can muster as long as the CPU doest bottleneck it.

A 4870 has a longer life span than a 4850 (to reverse that point), future improved multithreading games aint going to boost the performance of that already bottlenecking 4850.

James281
27-11-2008, 02:05 PM
Yea, i previously was gonna go with a E8500, but have read that if games in the furture are going to be developed with Quads then i might as well get a quad.

I looked at the 4850 and 4870 price difference and its from $280.00 to $445.50 how much performance increase am i looking at, because i dont want to spend another $165 for a few more FPS

How faster will my system run with DDR3? Remember im on a $2000 budget which the parts need to be bang for buck, i dont want to spend another $500 or so on better parts for slightly better performance increase.

wratterus
27-11-2008, 02:12 PM
DDR3/DDR3 conpatible hardware is not bang for buck no matter how far you stretch your imagination. Next year it will be, but not now.

Getting a Quad Core is a good idea though.

SolMiester
27-11-2008, 02:14 PM
I dont need explanations on system bottlenecks,...I was just saying there is more FUTURE in the quad core rather than the dual core....apart from which that Q66 easily does 3.3Ghz, which is the fastest product speed Intel release.....

Personally, I would get something like the 9800GTX or GT for now and wait for 55nm GPU release of the 200 series....then use the old card for physics, in which he would need better than a Dual core to saturate the cards...

Battleneter2
27-11-2008, 02:35 PM
Yea, i previously was gonna go with a E8500, but have read that if games in the furture are going to be developed with Quads then i might as well get a quad.

I looked at the 4850 and 4870 price difference and its from $280.00 to $445.50 how much performance increase am i looking at, because i dont want to spend another $165 for a few more FPS

I don't dispute games will include more multithreading at all. In fact if you are running a 4870X2 or high end SLI a quad is preferable now as a lower end C2D can bottleneck the GPU's. But if your only running one 4850 and on a budget..........

There are dozens of reviews all over the net, but Id say its def worth the $165 for 25-30% more GPU speed, or $65 ish if you knock the processor back to a lower C2D.


oh and I agree with above DD3 is not worth the extra Mobo price when your on a budget.

James281
27-11-2008, 04:17 PM
Thanks for the advice. If i am to buy a second graphics card or upgrade my pc later would it be wise to get a bigger power supply? How do i work out how much power each component needs?

Thanks

James281
27-11-2008, 04:37 PM
I also plan to be building this anytime from now to early January. Do you think there will there be major price drops over christmas? and if so should i hold out till then? Will the new Intel i7 Cpu's force the other Core duo and quads to drop?

Thanks

SolMiester
27-11-2008, 05:32 PM
PC component prices are always dropping, if you arnt building until Jan, best wait to see what's around then!

pctek
27-11-2008, 06:07 PM
if you are running a 4870X2 or high end SLI a quad is preferable now as a lower end C2D can bottleneck the GPU's.

Read this:

http://archive.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=6&t=9027&h=


"In games, CPU speed is currently not important. GAMES. Not video encoding.
The number one limiting factor in current generation games is the GPU. "


As for prices dropping, by Jnauary? No.
But its always worth waiting until you are ready before choosing components. Things change. All the time.
Whatever you buy will be superceded in 5 minutes.

James281
27-11-2008, 06:11 PM
I also found this about quads and cores http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55w0es_PwhY

James281
27-11-2008, 10:42 PM
How long will it be before if i get a 4850, that i wont be able to play games at max settings? Do the graphics of games really increase alot every few months?
And would the only thing i would need to upgrade would be the graphics card?
I figured that i could buy a new bang for buck card each time a card comes out form a new series of cards and sell my old card for at least $100, meaning only around $200 each upgrade.

Can some 1 give me an example of when they bought a high end graphics card and what game they started with, with the card and how long before a game they bought started to lag at max settings.

Have the graphics of games really increased alot since 2007?

Is there a site where i can see the FPS of a number of games using differnt graphic cards, i remember going to a site like this but i cant remember the site.

qazwsxokmijn
27-11-2008, 10:58 PM
Thanks for the advice. If i am to buy a second graphics card or upgrade my pc later would it be wise to get a bigger power supply? How do i work out how much power each component needs?

Thanks
Bigger PSUs than you actually need is always good if you're planning to upgrade sooner rather than later. There are a few good PSU calculator floating around the web, you can google it. Usually I can roughly calculate how much W in a PSU a system would need, by experience.

How long will it be before if i get a 4850, that i wont be able to play games at max settings? Do the graphics of games really increase alot every few months?
Don't know about few months, but right now probably not - nothing can max Crysis in DX10. If you can set Crysis on very high/near max then you most likely can max out every other games on the planet.


And would the only thing i would need to upgrade would be the graphics card?
Generally, for gaming, yes. Eventually though your CPU and RAM would need upgrading, but certainly nowhere near as often as a video card.


Can some 1 give me an example of when they bought a high end graphics card and what game they started with, with the card and how long before a game they bought started to lag at max settings.
My first real high-end card was G80 320MB 8800GTS.Did its job quite well in Crysis (at medium/high) and Bioshock and what not. I maxed out all the games that I had except Crysis. From the 8800GTS I had an 8800GT, which gave Crysis a considerable boost, and now a 4870, which is undoubtedly the best (and hottest) card I've ever owned. Still can't max Crysis, but pretty close at 1440x900 resolution. Still, even with my 4870 I also can't max out STALKER: Clear Sky. AFAIK not even the 4870x2 can at very high resolutions (1920x1200+).


Have the graphics of games really increased alot since 2007?
Not really.


Is there a site where i can see the FPS of a number of games using differnt graphic cards, i remember going to a site like this but i cant remember the site.
yeah, there are a few, but I don't have the links. I think they can be found on www.tomshardware.com.

Growly
27-11-2008, 11:52 PM
I wouldn't go for the quad core Q6600 chip. It's nice to have four cores, for sure, but if you're gaming you're still better off buying a higher-clocked dual core chip (the E8500 comes to mind). The real incentive is that the E8500 is part of Intel refresh of the Core chips (Penryn, 45nm), which use less power, run colder, are newer, make you feel better about yourself, etc.

Unless you're hardcore into multithreaded apps and various forms of encoding / rendering / arbitrary parallel number crunching, I doubt you'll notice any benefits by going quad core just now.

I've had this debate with a few people. I would've bought the Q6600 this time last year, but since the Penryn update my priorities shifted slightly. The new quad core chips (Q9450) are far too expensive to be reasonable any more, so you're better off waiting for Nehalem - and there's really no point in sticking to the older Q6600 unless it's a sentimental thing (which I'd completely understand).

That is, of course, unless you plan on overclocking.

SolMiester
28-11-2008, 07:09 AM
Read this:

http://archive.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=6&t=9027&h=


"In games, CPU speed is currently not important. GAMES. Not video encoding.
The number one limiting factor in current generation games is the GPU. "


As for prices dropping, by Jnauary? No.
But its always worth waiting until you are ready before choosing components. Things change. All the time.
Whatever you buy will be superceded in 5 minutes.

Pctek,that is from 2005......LMAO,with a 7800GTX?....they didnt even have quad core then...LOL. battleneter is correct. 4Ghz Quads are required to saturate the card with data otherwise you lose FPS....so the statement CPU speed is not important is utter BS...

SolMiester
28-11-2008, 07:22 AM
Here (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3309&p=7) is a nice article showing why Quads are preferable than Dual in gaming...check carefully the FPS increase @ same speed cpu but with extra cores.....

Also 4870 bottlenecked @ 3ghz here (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1481/10/sapphire_radeon_hd_4870_in_crossfire/index.html)

so 4870 w\ 4ghz here (http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1483/9/radeon_hd_4870_in_crossfirex_at_4ghz/index.html)

pctek
28-11-2008, 07:51 AM
I agree CPUs matter. But GPUs remain the most important component for gaming.
Too many toaster shop PCs rave about the wonderful CPU it has - which has been paired with rubbish or integrated graphics.

If you can afford both, great, but if not then a better card over the CPU is my recommendation.

Thebananamonkey
28-11-2008, 08:31 AM
And if you do plan on OCing, then the Q6600 is your best bet.

I've got mine running at 3.2Ghz at the moment, with very little fuss. I had it up to 3.5Ghz for a while, but that bluescreened far too often and I dropped my nuts.

Mind you, there are some duals that you can clock up to 4Ghz, so that's not really that much of an argument. Having more cores makes me feel like a big man, I can laugh at the dual core owners here. So basically it boils down to penis envy. It's your call.

SolMiester
28-11-2008, 08:35 AM
Here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gpu-upgrade,1928-4.html) is another article (sorry, I know Toms?!), that shows GPU's from 9800GTX down to a lowly 6800GT with different speed CPU's..

It is obvious to all, that lower clocked CPU's cannot saturate the card with data to process, therefore you arent getting as much out of your card as is possible.

Now while GPU's are more important with games is true, having a CPU powerful enough to feed enough data is also part of the balance. On top of that, games like SC and Alan Wake well also use the extra cores to control A1, physics as well as feeding the GPU over separate threads and cores.

James281
28-11-2008, 09:14 AM
I wouldn't go for the quad core Q6600 chip. It's nice to have four cores, for sure, but if you're gaming you're still better off buying a higher-clocked dual core chip (the E8500 comes to mind). The real incentive is that the E8500 is part of Intel refresh of the Core chips (Penryn, 45nm), which use less power, run colder, are newer, make you feel better about yourself, etc.

Unless you're hardcore into multithreaded apps and various forms of encoding / rendering / arbitrary parallel number crunching, I doubt you'll notice any benefits by going quad core just now.

I've had this debate with a few people. I would've bought the Q6600 this time last year, but since the Penryn update my priorities shifted slightly. The new quad core chips (Q9450) are far too expensive to be reasonable any more, so you're better off waiting for Nehalem - and there's really no point in sticking to the older Q6600 unless it's a sentimental thing (which I'd completely understand).

That is, of course, unless you plan on overclocking.


Since the Q6600 uses 65nm and you said its better of for me waiting for the Nehalem, would you know around when that would be, im looking to build from now to january, and only wishing to spend around $300-$400.

Thebananamonkey
28-11-2008, 10:03 AM
65nm is fine. It's a little bit hotter, but don't worry about that.

If you get a G0 stepping version of the Q6600 and a good aftermarket cooler you'll be able to get some really good clocks out of it.

If you quadruple your budget for CPU, double it for RAM and triple it for MoBo, then you could go for Nehalem...

James281
28-11-2008, 10:33 AM
I got some benchmarks from Tomsharware comparing what im looking to get, either a 4850 or 4870 and possible playing at 19200x1200 or 1680x1050. One question wat is Trilinear?


ATI HD Radeon 4850(on left) ATI HD Radeon 4870(on right)

Q3/2008 1920x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF, Very High Quality
Assassins Creed 38.90 43.50 1920x1200, 4xAA, Game AF, max. Quality
Call of Duty 4 75.40 94.70 1920x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF, max. Quality
crysis 9.60 10.80 1920x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF, Very High Quality
Quake wars 63.90 64.10 1920x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF, High Quality
Half life 2 episode 2 101.10 100.20 1920x1200, 0xAA, Trilinear, Very HighQ Mass Effect 25.40 37.80 1920x1200, 8xAA, Game AF, Ultra QualityMicrosoft Flight Sim 26.40 25.60 1920x1200, Game AA, Game AF, Ultra QualityWorld in Conflict 25.80 34.80 1920x1200, 4xAA, 4xAF, Very High Quality

Q3/2008 1680x1050, 4xAA, Game AF, max. Quality

Assassins Creed 42.20 43.70 1680x1050, 4xAA, Game AF, max. Quality
Call of Duty 4 87.80 110.10 1680x1050, 4xAA, 8xAF, max. Quality
Crysis 11.30 13.40 1680x1050, 4xAA, 8xAF, Very High Quality
Quake Wars 64.20 65.40 1680x1050, 4xAA, 8xAF, High Quality
Half Life 2 Ep2 101.30 100.90 1680x1050, 0xAA, Trilinear, Very High QualityMass Effect 31.90 47.30 1680x1050, 8xAA, Game AF, Ultra QualityMic Flight sim2 26.30 25.60 1680x1050, Game AA, Game AF, Ultra QualityWorld in Conflict 28.90 37.70 1680x1050, 4xAA, 4xAF, Very High Quality

Speedy Gonzales
28-11-2008, 10:33 AM
Theyre selling a nehalem based system down the road, its over 3k

The mobo alone costs $700, and the CPU $640, thats ex GST

So, you'll need more than $300-$400

James281
28-11-2008, 10:36 AM
How many FPS is needed to have a smooth playing experience?

SolMiester
28-11-2008, 11:14 AM
Anything over 25-30 is payable, 40+ is like butter.....personally, 22"LCD w\ 16*10 is a good setup without having to break the bank for GPU powerful enough to drive it.....

If it were me, I would go for something like the 9800GT or 88GT, until after xmas, then next year when 55nm GPU come out, get the 260\216 core and use the 88GT for Physics, it really rocks....

James281
30-11-2008, 12:58 PM
Hi i was wondering if some 1 could check how big power supply i would need at http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine as im not sure if im ticking the right boxes. And possibly a recommended power supply and brand.

These are my specs
MotherBoard: Asustek P5Q Pro Intel P45 ATX:$182.25 May switch P5Q deluxe
Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB graphics card:$280.00 either 2 in crossfire or a 8800GT for physics and 260\216 core
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Tower Gaming Case:$179.95 3 120mm fans may add 3 more
Ram : DDR2 4GB PC2-8000 DUAL CHANNEL 2x2gb:$149
DVD Writer: Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer:$41.58
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2.4GHz, LGA775, quad core:$309.30
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate OEM 64-bit:$290.25
Hard Drive: Western Digital 640GB SATA 7200rpm hard drive:$121.49
Monitor: undecided LG W2252TQ 22" LCD 1680x1050 2ms DVI: $358.87

Thanks

SolMiester
01-12-2008, 08:23 AM
Well, I did offer you my Silverstone didnt I...650w 54a single rail, details http://silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=op650&area=

Ascent has the 700w for $212...You have have my brand new upopened box 650w for $130 + postage....now you wont get better than that....PM me if you are interested...

Thebananamonkey
01-12-2008, 08:48 AM
A 500W should do for that.

Go for a bit more though, just to be safe. 620 will give you lots and lots of overhead.

GameJunkie
01-12-2008, 08:48 AM
take the Silverstone :D

qazwsxokmijn
01-12-2008, 10:33 AM
Yeah for the PSU Sol's 650W is a good deal.

James281
01-12-2008, 01:58 PM
Im just worried that when i upgrade the hardware that, the powersupply isnt going to be big enough. will a 600-700 supply still be suitable in say 1-4 years to come, if i continue to build a bang for buck pc?(this is my first build so im not to sure.)

And i also realized that the p5Q pro board im looking to get only supports crossfire. SolMiester when you where talking about using one 8800GT for physics and using another card does that use SLI, or will it still work some how. Do i need a Sli motherboard instead for this to work?

Thanks

qazwsxokmijn
01-12-2008, 02:16 PM
Silverstone 650W should last you at least 3 years provided you don't upgrade to the likes of a 4870x2.

James281
01-12-2008, 02:40 PM
Yea i dont think ill ever spend $850 on one card or 2 for that. Do the same category cards of different series use around the same power, for example does a 9800GT use the same power or around about the same as a 8800GT. With each new series is there a massive power increase, if there is then thats why im worried about, not having a large power supply, as the newer series demand more.

Q man
01-12-2008, 03:02 PM
If you look on nvidia/ati site they will tell you what wattage they require.
650w will be fine for any single card.

just for thoughts I had a single 4850 it ran crysis alright on high settings but not as good as my previous 8800gt, but runs farcry 2 mint on very high 8x AA.

SolMiester
01-12-2008, 03:10 PM
James, have a look at theis article re: PSU requirements for modern systems...
Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3413).....

Remember PSU efficiency is usually around 80-85%, and optimum load % of PSU is around 50-60%, therefore if total load when gaming is 250-300w, you want a PSU rated around double that so as not to overload the PSU

James281
01-12-2008, 07:47 PM
Thanks for the information.

Ive found some recommended power supplies from high end to extreme. (though most are to extreme but gives you an idea of the price increase.) The Seasonic M12 700W,Corsair TX750,Thermaltake Toughpower 750W look like bang for buck power supplies and large enough for many furture upgrades to come. What do you think?

• Seasonic M12 700W (Seasonic)(Modular) (56A, 4)(J) $212.63
• Enermax Infiniti 720W (Enermax)(Modular)(56A, 3)(J) $283.50
• Corsair TX750 (CWT)(60A, 1)(Big Willy pass)(H,J) $200.86
• PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750W (Seasonic)(60A)(A,H,J) $336.38
• Thermaltake Toughpower 750W (CWT)(Modular)(60A, 4)(J) $226.40
• Gigabyte Odin GT 800 (CWT)(Modular)(62A, 4)(A) $268.00
• Antec TruePower Quattro 850W (Enhance)(Modular) (64A, 4)(H,J) $279.98
• Antec Signature 850W (Delta)(Semi-Modular) (65A, 4)(A,J) $391.16
• Cooler Master Real Power Pro 850W (Enhance)(64A, 6)(H) $512.55
• Silverstone Olympia OP850 (?)(70A, 1)(A) $317.00
• Zalman ZM850-HP (Enhance) (Modular)(60A, 6)(A) $264.71
• Seasonic X900 (Seasonic) (72A, 4)(A) ???
• Corsair HX1000 (CWT)(Modular) (80A, 2)(A,H,J) $357.30
• Zalman ZM1000-HP (Enhance) (Modular)(80A, 6)(A,S) $339.12

Blam
01-12-2008, 08:30 PM
Thermaltake one looks pretty good, I would get the corsair though, IMO they make the best PSUs

Try to get a modular one, you'll thank me when you're building it:D

James281
01-12-2008, 09:19 PM
Thermaltake one looks pretty good, I would get the corsair though, IMO they make the best PSUs

Try to get a modular one, you'll thank me when you're building it:D

I watched some videos. Modular power supplies mean that you dont have a permanent bunch of cables, instead you can plug them in and out of the power supply seperatly, correct?

Do those three power supplies offer all the connectors and cables for a high end gaming computer? like for 2 graphic cards 6 fans etc

Thanks

qazwsxokmijn
01-12-2008, 09:49 PM
Modular PSUs are usually designed for high-end PCs and so it is unlikely that a modular PSU won't have more than enough connectors. And yes, modular means you only have to plug in what you need, but in my case I need to plug everything in.......

James281
01-12-2008, 11:02 PM
Would the Thermaltake Toughpower 750W be furture proof for the new technology of the intel core i7 there supported motherboard, and say 4gb of fast DDR3 ram, plus any others that are needed for that area of technology.

Blam
02-12-2008, 12:12 AM
Yes, it would, but not if you decided to go 2 4870's in crossfire

kersonan
02-12-2008, 05:49 AM
I find this (Zalman ZM1000-HP) rather good, handles my dual GTX260's quite nicely.

Q man
02-12-2008, 07:14 AM
I've got the 750w tx series it seems good so far and has alot of connectors like 4x 6/8 pin graphics card connectors so you will be fine for most dual card setups.

The 750w thermaltake does have cable managment so you can keep things nice and tidy in your case by using only the cables you need the corsair does not.

Hope that helps.

James281
02-12-2008, 10:08 AM
Thanks for the help. Id probaly buy in the next few days, but the price of the build keeps getting more expensive every week or so, due to the USA/NZ dollar. If i had bought all this stuff back in oct i could of saved around $200 if not more. for example E8500 have gone up over $110 since then.

What should i do, wait to prices drop?

James281
02-12-2008, 10:37 AM
forgot to add, maby u could take a look at my furture build plan.

Next year may upgrade graphics card.
Then 2010 if intel i7 cpu, supported mother board and cheaper DDR3 prices come down, replace those things with my current build. That is why i choose a bang for buck $180 Motherboard, $300 quad and $149 4x4gb DDR2 ram.
I can keep my 600gb drive, 750W PSU, antec 900 case, DVD WR 64bit vista, monitor, mouse, keyboard.

SolMiester
02-12-2008, 10:55 AM
forgot to add, maby u could take a look at my furture build plan.

Next year may upgrade graphics card.
Then 2010 if intel i7 cpu, supported mother board and cheaper DDR3 prices come down, replace those things with my current build. That is why i choose a bang for buck $180 Motherboard, $300 quad and $149 4x4gb DDR2 ram.
I can keep my 600gb drive, 750W PSU, antec 900 case, DVD WR 64bit vista, monitor, mouse, keyboard.

A Nehalem Quad will not give you any advantage over a yorkfield quad which you are buying now.....besides which something else will be out in 2010 better than Nehalem (i7)

James281
02-12-2008, 05:47 PM
The case im looking to get is the [ANTEC] NINE HUNDRED GAMING CASE. At the moment it is on sale for $179 at C1 shopping mall for 67 hours left http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/countdown.php and the next cheapest is at PB Tech Hamilton but in Hamilton for $185.00 http://www.pbtechnz.com/index.php?item=CHAATC900 making the real next price $191.81 at Expert Infotech http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=11640

My question is since im going to build this pc at around january do i buy it at C1 shoping mall now and save my self $12 or do i wait till January and see if the price has dropped to or below $179

And what actaully happens when the C1 timer reaches 0, just restarts or goes of sale? if any one knows.

Thanks

Blam
02-12-2008, 05:51 PM
Yeah, CPUs with 8 cores would have come out then:drool

I doubt it will drop, as the NZ market is falling miserably, causing everything(including computer parts) to rise in price.

So, buy now while the price is down

James281
02-12-2008, 06:31 PM
Before i buy are their any other recommendations. The reason i choose the antec 900 was cause it was highly recommended, with good air flow.

What are full tower cases mainly used for and what are their advantages.
Im guessing for a motherboard filled with hardware,water cooling, and extreme over clocking.

Blam
02-12-2008, 06:41 PM
They're bigger, more room for future upgrades, better airflow.
They're usually used for gamers, as gamer rigs, and extreme overclockers

SolMiester
02-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Before i buy are their any other recommendations. The reason i choose the antec 900 was cause it was highly recommended, with good air flow.

What are full tower cases mainly used for and what are their advantages.
Im guessing for a motherboard filled with hardware,water cooling, and extreme over clocking.

Mate, can you not do any research yourself? check out a few more forum or hardware review sites?

qazwsxokmijn
02-12-2008, 09:54 PM
Sol's right. The right keywords + google and you can probably become even a top-notch terrorist.

Check out reviews of some full tower cases and you are bound to see one that you'd love. I myself have a Gigabyte Aurora 570, which is a great case but poor air intake if you use the acrylic window panel (it also comes with a mesh panel to allow excellent airflow, but it does get dusty quicker).

James281
14-12-2008, 11:20 AM
Ok ive sorted some stuff out. This is how the build looks now

Hi im going to build this PC and would like some recommendations, or if i should change any thing. I will use it for mainly gaming and playing the latest games, wont to play at max settings, yet it is a bang for buck system with bang for buck hardware, maximum performance/price.

Budget: No real budget as the most bang for buck hardware will determine the price.

Prices and list.

MotherBoard: Asustek P5Q Pro Intel P45 ATX:$241.01 Recommended every where, any disadvantages? XP Computers

Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB graphics card:$298.08 Best bang for buck card at the momment am I right? C1 shopping mall

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Tower Gaming Case:$179.95 BROUGHT C1 shopping mall

Ram : DDR2 :$140-$165 Read Question 3 C1 shopping mall

Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower Modular 750W Modular $226.40 OR Corsair 750W TX Series PSU non modular $189 Do i go for a $37 dearer PSU for a modular, same Wattage? I heard Corsair is the best choice in PSU's to? The antec 900 i hear isnt the best for cable management but i recieved the latest version with i think 3 large slots on the motherboard back plate. Which is more furture proof out of the to? C1 shoping mall or Computer Lounge

DVD Writer: Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer:$41.58 Recommended basic DVD writer no need to spend extra $$$ C1 shopping mall

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2.4GHz, LGA775, quad core:$354.38 Best for the furture/ games being developed for quad cores even though E8500 better at the momment XP computers

OS:Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate OEM 64-bit:$290.25 Want 64 bit vista but not sure if i need Ultimate, id probally just go with Home premium any comments? C1 shopping mall

Hard Drive: Western Digital 640GB SATA 7200rpm hard drive:$118.10 Not sure, but 640gb seems the best bang for buck hard drive, any recommended brands? C1 shopping mall

Total:$1718.8 - Reason for selected shops. Cheapest prices with the most trusted stores. Havent bought any thing from XP computers, but it is a recommend store, any experiences. http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/297771/?s=

Questions

1: Is the dollar with NZ to USA gonna get better through out 2009 which it has caused huge price increases, should I wait or build In January, or is this how it is going to be for ages(all year and next)? I ask cause back in October CPUs where around $100 cheaper ATI 4850 $50-60 cheaper And I think Motherboards $20-30 cheaper.

2: Should i get a better Motherboard, if i plan to overclock in the furture? Yet this is a bang for buck PC and the P5Q PRO is very popular.

3: Im looking to buy some ram but want to know which is better 2x2gb 800mhz(or higher if its possible at CL4) CL4 or 2x2gb 1066Mhz CL5. Which is better and why? This is my first build, but i know that lower the lantacy CL4 is better then CL5 and the higher the Mhz is better. But which combination is better, for performance and espcially gaming.

Would the first option of ram be better as you could over clock it increaseing the Mhz up to 1066. Would there be any disadvantages and would this be easy for a first time PC builder and overclocker?

4: What Ram should i go for? Or any other recommenedations. These where just the cheapest bang for buck RAM with different possibilities I could find on C1 shopping mall.

Either

http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15600
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=12393

And where can I find the Outcome of ram at the cheapest price in NZ. I had a look on price spy but cant seem to find what im looking for.

5: How does the Thermaltake Toughpower 750W Modular look for $226 or should i go for a Corsair 750W TX series non modular? . Pretty bang for buck being modular and plenty of W's for upgrades to come?

Thanks

jwil1
14-12-2008, 11:26 AM
You're buying stuff from the wrong shops. If anything's faulty, lets just say you're probably screwed, even if it's under manufacturer warranty.

Check out Ascent (ascent.co.nz) and Playtech (playtech.co.nz). You'll pay a bit more - but you'll get excellent service if anything goes wrong.

James281
14-12-2008, 12:35 PM
You're buying stuff from the wrong shops. If anything's faulty, lets just say you're probably screwed, even if it's under manufacturer warranty.

Check out Ascent (ascent.co.nz) and Playtech (playtech.co.nz). You'll pay a bit more - but you'll get excellent service if anything goes wrong.

What is wrong with my selected shops. Computer Lounge is the best shop you can buy from, and i know people that have spent 1000's of dollars at C1 shopping mall, no problems. Just no to sure about XP computers, but if it as a warrenty then they have to give a refund.

SolMiester
14-12-2008, 01:43 PM
You missed a very important component, which if not listed, we cant comment on whether of not your GPU will be good enough..!..The monitor!

James281
14-12-2008, 02:02 PM
Looking to get the LG W2252TQ-PF 22 1680x1050 or one with 1080(for ps3)http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=6959

Though im gonna get this a few months after the build, so ill be using my 15" 1024x768. Slight possiblity i might go for a 24" 1920 x 1200 but not very likely. I know that the 4850 512mb isnt going to be that great on a 1920x1200 resolution.

SolMiester
14-12-2008, 02:08 PM
Looking to get the LG W2252TQ-PF 22 1680x1050 or one with 1080(for ps3)http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=6959

Though im gonna get this a few months after the build, so ill be using my 15" 1024x768. Slight possiblity i might go for a 24" 1920 x 1200 but not very likely. I know that the 4850 512mb isnt going to be that great on a 1920x1200 resolution.

Well, you have answered your question then...personally, I dont like ATi cards...I dont like their 2 month driver trunks for game releases and I dont like their cooling solutions, or should I say, lack of cooling solutions...If there is the slightest chance of you getting a 24"LCD, then you would need the !gb version which is more expensive than the 260GTX, which is a better performer....

James281
14-12-2008, 03:32 PM
Thanks for that SolMiester. Im still having trouble picking the right Ram for me though. see page 6 question 3 and 4

What do you mean by "I dont like their 2 month driver trunks for game releases"

Thanks

SolMiester
14-12-2008, 05:21 PM
Thanks for that SolMiester. Im still having trouble picking the right Ram for me though. see page 6 question 3 and 4

What do you mean by "I dont like their 2 month driver trunks for game releases"

Thanks

ATi release monthly drivers, however, they have 2 difference test suites of games, that they rotate month on month to test their drivers against.

As for RAM, unless you wish to run RAM asynchronously, you will want RAM as fast as you expect you FSB to run.

Blam
14-12-2008, 06:44 PM
Get some good quality RAM if you're planning to OC, Corsair,Crucial and GSkill are good.

Stick with the Corsair 620watt.

It won't really matter if you get modular or not, your cables will just be tidier.

Ati 4850 is a good choice, an the antec 900 case means you've got plenty of room for upgrades

qazwsxokmijn
14-12-2008, 07:16 PM
Antec 900? Man, I feel guilty because I just bought a 1200 for $220. :D

James281
14-12-2008, 08:56 PM
Thanks. I got a problem though i hear that the CPU I was going to buy the Q6600, there is virtually none left in NZ and is now discounted.

Heres a list of the possible quads to get now, which one do you recommend the most bang for buck price/performance.

Processor NumberΔ Cache Clock Speed Front Side Bus PriceSpy Trusted store

45nm Q9400 6MB L2 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz $473 $516
45nm Q9300 6MB L2 2.50 GHz 1333 MHz $398 $398
45nm Q8200 4MB L2 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz $371 $376
65nm Q6600 8MB L2 2.40 GHz 1066 MHz $354 $358

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2quad/specifications.htm

Is this correct? Because the Q9300 has a Front side Bus of 1333MHz it drops its overclock multiplier to 7.5, because the Q6600 has a FSB of 1066MHz it can have a higher multiplier of 9, allowing it to be a better over clocker?

What excatly does the Cache do (im still a noob) does it mean like the start up off programs or data such as in games are stored so next time when you load the same program or go to previous data it loads faster. If so what difference would you notice from a 4MB cache to a 6MB cache, just more faster program and data?

qazwsxokmijn
14-12-2008, 09:48 PM
Dump all those processors except Q6600 off the list. Best to go with at least a G0 Q6600, or a Q9450. The cache is a small but very fast memory built into the CPUs. Data that are frequently accessed are stored into the CPU cache so it can benefit by being processed faster.

Games love big CPU cache.

James281
15-12-2008, 08:14 AM
Yea i was always gonna go with a Q6600, but the chances of getting 1 around 12th january 2009 will be even slimmer. So the GO Q6600's are new revisions. How do I know if I getting one when I buy a Q6600, and do you think that is why the Q6600 is in low stock all over NZ, they making way for the GO?

memphis
15-12-2008, 08:56 AM
QUOTE:James281:
1.So the GO Q6600's are new revisions.

2.How do I know if I getting one when I buy a Q6600,

3.and do you think that is why the Q6600 is in low stock all over NZ, they making way for the GO?

1. Yes:clap

2. Ask for one when you buy it lol!!!:lol::clap

3. Its in low stock because:
A. It's an old quad core cpu.
B. Not making them anymore.
C. Everyone knows the Q6600 GO are good for overclocking and have bought them up.:thumbs:

James281
15-12-2008, 09:37 AM
As for RAM, unless you wish to run RAM asynchronously, you will want RAM as fast as you expect you FSB to run.

So do I go for CL4 or CL5, obviously CL5 has higher MHz why u said you want RAM as fast as you expect your FSB to run are you talking about the FSB of my MOBO? If you are its 1600*/1333/1066/800 MHz *Overclock speed

PC used for gaming. Using a Asus P5Q PRO mother board.

James281
15-12-2008, 09:46 AM
3. Its in low stock because:
A. It's an old quad core cpu.
B. Not making them anymore.
C. Everyone knows the Q6600 GO are good for overclocking and have bought them up.:thumbs:

So if i cant get a Q6600 on 12th January 2009, which Quad CPU should i go for Either Q9300 $398 or Q8200 $371 price differnece only $30 and Q9400 $473 is to much. Or any others I havent suggested.

Be using PC got gaming so the Q9300 6MBL2 cache be more benifitual vs 4MBL2. Ill try look at some benchmark reivews involving both of them.

You reckon over the new year these quads will drop in price?

Thanks

memphis
15-12-2008, 09:50 AM
QUOTE:James281;So do I go for CL4 or CL5, obviously CL5 has higher MHz

Personaly I go for the highest MHz with the best latency that I can afford.:D:thumbs:

James281
15-12-2008, 09:56 AM
There for you would recommend http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15600 over http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254

memphis
15-12-2008, 10:09 AM
On pricespy
Product (66 prices)
Intel Q6600 Core 2 Quad LGA775 2.4GHz 8 MB L2 FSB 1066

Have you found out from all of these places that they have run out.http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_9987.html

You could ask if anyone has a Q6700 GO
http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_11199.html

James281
15-12-2008, 10:15 AM
Some guy that works at Computer lounge said they have non left and that is gonna be most likely for all other stores, and that he said they a probaly now discounted. I sent about 5 some emails to some stores and so far the answer is they are out of stock.

memphis
15-12-2008, 10:16 AM
QUOTE:James281
You reckon over the new year these quads will drop in price?

Do you know over the new year what the weather is going to be?:rolleyes::lol:

James281
15-12-2008, 10:20 AM
lol, this is my first time with computers, and i thought since each year new hardware is been realeased espcically in the beginning of the year that it would make the price of older hardware to drop, and since the producation of the q6600's has stopped it would further more encourage a price drop.

memphis
15-12-2008, 10:28 AM
QUOTE:James281;lol,this is my first time with computers, and i thought since each year new hardware is been realeased espcically in the beginning of the year that it would make the price of older hardware to drop, and since the producation of the q6600's has stopped it would further more encourage a price drop.

Given time all things come to pass.:D

James281
15-12-2008, 10:35 AM
Ive compiled a list of RAM

2x2gb CL4 800mhz
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13511
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14953
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15600
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15445
I thought the first one, Crossiar one was the best, good brand, good price

2x2gb CL5 1060MHz

http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=16219
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13821
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15625
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13522
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14799
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14133
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14062
Thought the first one as the best G skill, good brand Good price

Overall the CL4 one is the best as Memphis said "Personaly I go for the highest MHz with the best latency that I can afford"??????????

memphis
15-12-2008, 10:49 AM
QUOTE:James281;
as Memphis said "Personaly I go for the highest MHz with the best latency that I can afford"??????????

=Fastest MHz speed of ram my motherboard can take for example 1066 MHz with the best latency for example CL5 5-5-5-15 that I can afford at the time.:thumbs:

SolMiester
15-12-2008, 10:50 AM
Ive compiled a list of RAM

2x2gb CL4 800mhz
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13511
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14953
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15600
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15445
I thought the first one, Crossiar one was the best, good brand, good price

2x2gb CL5 1060MHz

http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=16219
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13821
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15625
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13522
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14799
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14133
http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=14062
Thought the first one as the best G skill, good brand Good price

Overall the CL4 one is the best as Memphis said "Personaly I go for the highest MHz with the best latency that I can afford"??????????

LOL, listen James, you are getting too far ahead of yourself with RAM\CPU etc.
If this is your 1st build, I would hesitate telling you how to overclock & viod your warranty on your 2K equipment. I haven't seen any effort on your part to understand requirement of overclocking. Have you bothered to read anything yet?. I presume not, otherwise you wouldn't be posting links every time somebody said something different. I have already stated what RAM is required. As fast as you expect to run your FSB. FYI 1066 RAM is in fact 800 but just clocked higher due to better quality.

It is no good us spouting this and that unless you know too!

If it was me and the Q66 are no longer in stock, I would go for the Q6700, same bus but 10 multiplier...

James281
15-12-2008, 11:04 AM
[QUOTE=SolMiester;735865]I haven't seen any effort on your part to understand requirement of overclocking. Have you bothered to read anything yet?.[QUOTE]

I dont plan on overclocking until a very later stage.

I just got some emails back and the Q6600 seems to be discounted, presuming the Q6700 which is all so out of stock.

qazwsxokmijn
15-12-2008, 11:07 AM
[QUOTE=SolMiester;735865]I dont plan on overclocking until a very later stage.
Well, that ain't no fun. :(

Well then, go for a good brand 800MHz RAM. Any CL would do, as with an Intel system any difference in CL is negligible in real-life uses.

memphis
15-12-2008, 11:18 AM
QUOTE=James281;
I dont plan on overclocking until a very later stage.

Good because if you posted here telling us that you just overclocked something and that it did not work anymore well......I would just laugh and say what a waste!!!:lol::D;)

memphis
15-12-2008, 11:24 AM
QUOTE=James281;
I just got some emails back and the Q6600 seems to be discounted,presuming the Q6700 which is all so out of stock.

Find out for sure about the Q6600 Go and Q6700 being out of stock at every place presume nothing!!!:thumbs:

Have a look on Trademe etc.,as a last resort for a Q6600 GO and a Q6700.:thumbs:

James281
15-12-2008, 11:26 AM
k so either http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13511 or http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254 might as well get the cheapest one. So 800 RAM can be overclocked to 1066 RAM, but original 1066 RAM can be overclocked further or not?

Q6600 has a FSB of 1066?

qazwsxokmijn
15-12-2008, 11:30 AM
Ok so either http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13511 or http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254 might as well get the cheapest one. So 800 RAM can be overclocked into 1066 RAM, but orignal 1066 RAM can be overclocked further?
There is absolutely no way one should expect any 800MHz module can do 1066 out of the box. There are 800MHz RAMs that are excellent overclockers and can do even higher than 1066. Most other 800MHz RAMs are poor overclockers, or even not overclockable at all. Though I say the Corsair one has a lot of potential - just make sure you tighten the CL timings to 5 if you overclock.

memphis
15-12-2008, 11:38 AM
Have a look for this cpu as well!!!:thumbs:
XEON QUAD CORE X3220 2.40GHZ KENTSFIELD
SOCKET 775, FSB 1066, 2X 4MB CACHE

:clap:punk:banana

qazwsxokmijn
15-12-2008, 11:41 AM
Have a look for this cpu as well!!!:thumbs:
XEON QUAD CORE X3220 2.40GHZ KENTSFIELD
SOCKET 775, FSB 1066, 2X 4MB CACHE

:clap:punk:banana
I was gonna ask something about that! Many people are using quad core Xeons instead of Core 2 Duo. Why is that? What are the difference(s) between the two? Aren't they the same cores?

James281
15-12-2008, 12:03 PM
Question: If your CPU has a FSB of 1066 your MOBO has a FSB of 1333 and your RAM has a FSB of 1066, must you overclock your FSB of your CPU in order to overclock your ram only up to a maximum of 1333MHz and then you need to over clock your MOBO higher to overclock any thing else more?, though I am not going to overclock to i really need to.

memphis
15-12-2008, 12:04 PM
James281 just get whatever is the cheapest brand of 1066MHz ram with CL5 5-5-5-15 that you can afford and stop pussy footing around and wasting our time and you trying to get your post counts up.

And dont even think about overclocking I will not go through a 100 post !@#$%^&* holding your hand and helping you on that topic!!!:annoyed:

We have been holding your hand and helping you to decide on what stuff to buy for your computer and I and I believe others would not give a dam if you did something wrong and stuffed up and or destroyed a component or your computer.:badpc:

Dont take any offence with what I have said I am just telling you the way it is.:thumbs:;)

Either man up and take it or get of the internet and have a cry to mummy.:crying

SolMiester
15-12-2008, 12:08 PM
Question: If your CPU has a FSB of 1066 your MOBO has a FSB of 1333 and your RAM has a FSB of 1066, must you overclock your FSB of your CPU in order to overclock your ram only up to a maximum of 1333MHz and then you need to over clock your MOBO higher to overclock any thing else more?, though I am not going to overclock to i really need to.

James, read this (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=2057083&enterthread=y), in order to understand RAM and BUS configs

James281
15-12-2008, 12:11 PM
lol i just dont wana get the wrong stuff ,just before i read this i was gonna get the G skill 1066MHz CL5 http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=13254 RAM IS SORTED.

And I dont care about getting posts up, I dont feel like spending all this money on the wrong parts.

qazwsxokmijn
15-12-2008, 12:12 PM
James281 just get whatever is the cheapest brand of 1066MHz ram with CL5 5-5-5-15 that you can afford and stop pussy footing around and wasting our time and you trying to get your post counts up.

And dont even think about overclocking I will not go through a 100 post !@#$%^&* holding your hand and helping you on that topic!!!:annoyed:

We have been holding your hand and helping you to decide on what stuff to buy for your computer and I and I believe others would not give a dam if you did something wrong and stuffed up and or destroyed a component or your computer.:badpc:

Dont take any offence with what I have said I am just telling you the way it is.;)

Either man up and take it or get of the internet and have a cry to mummy.:crying
Easy there bud. James is obviously a newb. I remember when I was. I think I may have annoyed pctek on the phone before she moved down to South Island a couple of years back.

I remember asking her newb questions. Fortunately for me she tolerated my stupid newb stuff. :lol:

memphis
15-12-2008, 12:16 PM
QUOTE:James281;Question:If your CPU has a FSB of 1066 your MOBO has a FSB of 1333 and your RAM has a FSB of 1066, must you overclock your FSB of your CPU in order to overclock your ram only up to a maximum of 1333MHz and then you need to over clock your MOBO higher to overclock any thing else more?, though I am not going to overclock to i really need to.

James281 just get:
CPU:1066
Ram:1066

memphis
15-12-2008, 12:31 PM
QUOTE=qazwsxokmijn;I was gonna ask something about that! Many people are using quad core Xeons instead of Core 2 Duo. Why is that? What are the difference(s) between the two? Aren't they the same cores?

1. Really good overclockers!!!:thumbs:

2. One is ment for Joe public,the other for servers,business etc.

3. They are the best cpu to get:better tested,run cooler-so better for overclocks.

4. Oh before I forget THEY ARE REALLY GOOD OVERCLOCKERS!!!:thumbs::banana:clap

James281
27-12-2008, 10:55 PM
Im ordering every thing before the 31st, but have no idea weather to go duo core or quad core any more.

Help me decide. For gaming. Budget was... 300-400.
E8400 $319 CL(computer Lounge)
E8500 $350 CL
Q6600 discounted
Q9300 discounted
Q9400 $473 OCZone $537 CL
Q9450 discounted
Q5500 $624 OCZone $646 CL

Would like to upgrade CPU in 2+ years time.
A Q9550 is going to high, which out of the 3?
With i7 Cpu's with 8 cores it makes me even more to get a quad, as games will even more likely to benefit from more cores better then before with a lot more cpus with a lot of cores that they have on the market.

I just dont know what to get!

Sweep
28-12-2008, 12:42 AM
Im ordering every thing before the 31st, but have no idea weather to go duo core or quad core any more.

Help me decide. For gaming. Budget was... 300-400.
E8400 $319 CL(computer Lounge)
E8500 $350 CL
Q6600 discounted
Q9300 discounted
Q9400 $473 OCZone $537 CL
Q9450 discounted
Q5500 $624 OCZone $646 CL

Would like to upgrade CPU in 2+ years time.
A Q9550 is going to high, which out of the 3?
With i7 Cpu's with 8 cores it makes me even more to get a quad, as games will even more likely to benefit from more cores better then before with a lot more cpus with a lot of cores that they have on the market.

I just dont know what to get!

Well who knows what will be available 2 years from now in the way of a cpu?

I might add that you might be still dithering around that time.

It is now a month since you first posted your new PC build.

qazwsxokmijn
28-12-2008, 01:14 AM
Im ordering every thing before the 31st, but have no idea weather to go duo core or quad core any more.

Help me decide. For gaming. Budget was... 300-400.
E8400 $319 CL(computer Lounge)
E8500 $350 CL
Q6600 discounted
Q9300 discounted
Q9400 $473 OCZone $537 CL
Q9450 discounted
Q5500 $624 OCZone $646 CL

Would like to upgrade CPU in 2+ years time.
A Q9550 is going to high, which out of the 3?
With i7 Cpu's with 8 cores it makes me even more to get a quad, as games will even more likely to benefit from more cores better then before with a lot more cpus with a lot of cores that they have on the market.

I just dont know what to get!
I've told you before. Either any of those duals, or Q6600 or Q9450.

Don't bother repeating the same question over and over again.

James281
28-12-2008, 11:25 AM
Gonan do with E8500 overclock the siht out of it, as quads atm cost to much. Whats the point in spending the cash now for a Quad when i might as well spend $50 more and get a i7. And sooner or later im going to have to upgrade my quad to a i7 cpu so that extra money for a quad over a Duo core is wasted.

Thebananamonkey
28-12-2008, 11:35 AM
I'd like to introduce a concept to you. It's called life.

You can ask for advise and help in life, but at the end of the day you have to make your own decisions. If you make a mistake, it's purely your own.

So take a deep breath and take responsibility for your own choices. There are plenty of guides for computers on the net, which I'm assuming you haven't read. The net is full of resources which you shouldn't expect for us to read and condense on your behalf. Feel free to ask questions if you can't find any answers, but make sure to look first. Otherwise you're going to get a very cold reception here. As you have begun to find out.

James281
29-12-2008, 09:54 PM
Wondering if someone could tell me if this is this True?

A majority of 22" pc monitors use a 16:10 ratio with a resolution of 1680x1050. They use a 16:10 because it is better to view web pages, documents and playgames as this ratio gives more vertical height over a 16:9 ratio. It is more prefered to play games at a 16:10 ratio over a 16:9 ratio because showing more vertical height is more better looking over a long horizontal look with a smaller vertical height. Theres only a very small number of 22" 16:9 1920x1080 monitors because there main puppose is to be used to watch HD movies, to give the effect of being a tv or be more of a media home theatre monitor. So anything that is typically used for TV side of things will run better on 16:9 as you get true full screen. You loose vertical height but gain horizontal width. which is more favourable for these uses.

What I wont to know is, is a 16:10 ratio better then a 16:9 ratio for gaming?

SolMiester
29-12-2008, 10:21 PM
Wondering if someone could tell me if this is this True?

A majority of 22" pc monitors use a 16:10 ratio with a resolution of 1680x1050. They use a 16:10 because it is better to view web pages, documents and playgames as this ratio gives more vertical height over a 16:9 ratio. It is more prefered to play games at a 16:10 ratio over a 16:9 ratio because showing more vertical height is more better looking over a long horizontal look with a smaller vertical height. Theres only a very small number of 22" 16:9 1920x1080 monitors because there main puppose is to be used to watch HD movies, to give the effect of being a tv or be more of a media home theatre monitor. So anything that is typically used for TV side of things will run better on 16:9 as you get true full screen. You loose vertical height but gain horizontal width. which is more favourable for these uses.

What I wont to know is, is a 16:10 ratio better then a 16:9 ratio for gaming?

Already answered?!

James281
29-12-2008, 10:45 PM
yea just wanted to make sure what i was writing out was true.

memphis
29-12-2008, 11:02 PM
Wondering if someone could tell me if this is this True?

A majority of 22" pc monitors use a 16:10 ratio with a resolution of 1680x1050. They use a 16:10 because it is better to view web pages, documents and playgames as this ratio gives more vertical height over a 16:9 ratio. It is more prefered to play games at a 16:10 ratio over a 16:9 ratio because showing more vertical height is more better looking over a long horizontal look with a smaller vertical height. Theres only a very small number of 22" 16:9 1920x1080 monitors because there main puppose is to be used to watch HD movies, to give the effect of being a tv or be more of a media home theatre monitor. So anything that is typically used for TV side of things will run better on 16:9 as you get true full screen. You loose vertical height but gain horizontal width. which is more favourable for these uses.

What I wont to know is, is a 16:10 ratio better then a 16:9 ratio for gaming?


NOBODY CARES!!!

This thread sucks,useless and is pointless.
It would be really great if it was deleted/wiped/lost in a system upgrade or something!!!:spam:yuck::groan::sleep
USE GOGGLE it is your friend. Maybe your only friend if you used it at all that is.:lol:

Blam
30-12-2008, 02:16 AM
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GameJunkie
30-12-2008, 09:01 AM
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