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Blam
29-10-2008, 08:44 PM
http://www.elive.co.nz/elive-computer-system-e8500-p1633.php

If I build a computer with those exact same parts will it be cheaper than buying that?

qazwsxokmijn
29-10-2008, 08:59 PM
Probably more or less the same. Just take a look at pricespy and do the math.

wainuitech
29-10-2008, 09:16 PM
X 2 to what qazwsxokmijn said - just looked on my vendors sites with the exact same products - hmmmm Lets just say you would have to be careful as to where you purchased the parts yourself, add in the freight costs from various places and it may end up costing you more than buying from the shop.

One good thing about purchasing from a Real PC shop is if theres any problems with components they "should" handle any warranty problems, if you build it yourself it can get messy sometimes with warranties.

Once (only once) I got that case with the PSU-The power supplies that come with that case are OKish, but do lack the number of devices you can plug in - not exactly over generous with Molex plugs. Now I get the cases without the PSU and add my own in. The cases are nice, real good air flow.

Blam
29-10-2008, 09:30 PM
Ok, thanks the thing is, I'm looking to get a PC soon, preferably with OS around $1600-$2000 and I've never built one before and would like to learn.
Is is hard to learn? I've chosen most of my components already, E8500, PQ5,
Mostly everything from the page on the gpforums execpt the HDD and the Case.
So... should I build one or buy a premade one?

Cheers
Blam

Deane F
29-10-2008, 10:43 PM
Build it yourself - but try to have access to the web on another computer just in case you have a baffled moment and need to google something... There's only one way to learn and it is very satisfying when you pull it off for the first time.

Krisby5
29-10-2008, 11:11 PM
Build it yourself - but try to have access to the web on another computer just in case you have a baffled moment and need to google something... There's only one way to learn and it is very satisfying when you pull it off for the first time.
I'll 2nd that!! :thumbs:

Blam
30-10-2008, 12:07 AM
Build it yourself - but try to have access to the web on another computer just in case you have a baffled moment and need to google something... There's only one way to learn and it is very satisfying when you pull it off for the first time.

Yep-the eee 901 will do just fine!
I am a bit scared I'll break something while I'm building it though.
What tehrmal paste and whats it for?

Thanx all:clap
blam

Speedy Gonzales
30-10-2008, 06:36 AM
What thermal paste and whats it for?

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_paste)

Q man
30-10-2008, 08:02 AM
Building your own computer is more fun IMO.

Built my first one about a year ago with not much knowledge (not that Ive got much now) had it done in about 1.5 hours taking things slow, it was good fun. I didnt have front USB or audio for about six months till realizing the plug was in wrong.

Nothing blew up though!

Thermal paste is generally on the cpu fan/heatsink out of the box so dont worry.

pctek
30-10-2008, 08:17 AM
Well I wouldn't be buying this. Or from that shop.
Specifications:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3
Motherboard: GIGABYTE EP45-DS3L
Hard Drive: Western Digital Carviar SE 640GB
Video: PALIT ATI Radeon HD4850 512MB PCI-E
Case: Cooler Master new Elite 330 w/ 420w psu
Memory: 4GB (2X2GB) HYNIX 2GB DDR2 800Mhz
DVD-Writer: LG GH20NS10 20X Internal SATA
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium 32-bit DVD
Keyboard & Mouse: Logitech Deluxe 250 Desktop OEM PS/2 Black Keyboard and optical mouse combo
Card Reader: Laser 16 IN 1 USB Card Reader Writer Black Internal 3.5" CF/SD/SM/MM/MS/XD



Warranty: 1 Year Standard RTB (Return To Base Warranty)

CPU and board is OK. Card - not Palit. its crap.
Ditto DVD.

And 1 yr warranty?!

Gigabyte MBs have a 3 yr watrranty, so does the CPU. WD HDDs also.
See, ripped off already.

If you don't want to build it, then buy from a decent shop like Computer Lounge. Well, even if you do want to.
And get decent parts in it, any decent shop will allow you to alter components to suit.

stormdragon
30-10-2008, 08:42 AM
Just quickly put this together from QMB (http://www.qmb.co.nz/c.aspx?r=39751.4038270833) which is not far from you Blam. Decent brand components and a more powerful PSU then the elive system.

This is purely retail prices for single components if you request a quote they will probably give you a decent discount (normally do for me anyway).

All prices incl GST.

ASUS P5QL-PRO (Express Gate),$196.88
(http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108008)
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8500 3.16Ghz 6M 1333Mhz LGA775 $381.38 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107469)

ASUS DRW-2014S1T SATA 20X DVD+/-R DVD Writer $50.63 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108084)

Asus 9800GT HybridPower 512MB $291.38 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108127)

Western Digital Caviar SE 640GB $140.63 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107739)

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD $190.13 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?106476)

Corsair XMS 4GB (2GB x2) DDR2-800 XMS $145.13 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107769)

Gigabyte GZ-X2 Solid Structure Chassis Tool-less Case with 350W powerBLACK Tower Case $100.13 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?106785)

Corsair 650W TX Series Power Supply $178.88 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107917)


Total: $1,675.12 incl GST.

SolMiester
30-10-2008, 08:42 AM
Palit = Gainward, okay in my book!

wainuitech
30-10-2008, 08:53 AM
Palit = Gainward, okay in my book! X 2 -- used a few of the Palit cards - never any complaints or failures from the peoples PC's they are in.

pctek
30-10-2008, 09:47 AM
used a few of the Palit cards - never any complaints or failures

I used to use lots, from Legend.
Way too many failures so I stopped. The warrnty isn't that long anyway.

qazwsxokmijn
30-10-2008, 11:02 AM
Palit's making a good name for themselves by the looks of it. Their custom cooling is superior to stock on many of their cards, not sure about warranty but an overseas friend got his dead 8800GTX replaced within a month I think it was.

And as for building your own PC - it's immensely satisfying. But just remember just because things can go wrong, doesn't mean it will, so don't let fear wuss you out. When I built my first PC I bent a couple of pins of the s478 CPU. I think most people here would know how that would feel. :p

Blam
30-10-2008, 04:22 PM
Palit's making a good name for themselves by the looks of it. Their custom cooling is superior to stock on many of their cards, not sure about warranty but an overseas friend got his dead 8800GTX replaced within a month I think it was.

And as for building your own PC - it's immensely satisfying. But just remember just because things can go wrong, doesn't mean it will, so don't let fear wuss you out. When I built my first PC I bent a couple of pins of the s478 CPU. I think most people here would know how that would feel. :p

Thing is-I am just a teen-I'm not exactly made of money here lol.
What happens when things go wrong?
Buy another $300 part?:illogical

Blam
30-10-2008, 04:27 PM
Just quickly put this together from QMB (http://www.qmb.co.nz/c.aspx?r=39751.4038270833) which is not far from you Blam. Decent brand components and a more powerful PSU then the elive system.

This is purely retail prices for single components if you request a quote they will probably give you a decent discount (normally do for me anyway).

All prices incl GST.

ASUS P5QL-PRO (Express Gate),$196.88
(http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108008)
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8500 3.16Ghz 6M 1333Mhz LGA775 $381.38 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107469)

ASUS DRW-2014S1T SATA 20X DVD+/-R DVD Writer $50.63 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108084)

Asus 9800GT HybridPower 512MB $291.38 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108127)

Western Digital Caviar SE 640GB $140.63 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107739)

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD $190.13 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?106476)

Corsair XMS 4GB (2GB x2) DDR2-800 XMS $145.13 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107769)

Gigabyte GZ-X2 Solid Structure Chassis Tool-less Case with 350W powerBLACK Tower Case $100.13 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?106785)

Corsair 650W TX Series Power Supply $178.88 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107917)


Total: $1,675.12 incl GST.

I would probably want a better looking case.
Looks is all that matters!:D
Is that GFX card good?
On the gpforum they recommend the ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card for the 1500 dollar range.
Also, what type of fan would you recommend for OCing?
Currently a noob and know nothing about OCing but want to have a fan just in case:thumbs:

Thanks all for the help
blam

Deane F
30-10-2008, 04:37 PM
For thermal paste just use what is on the heatsink that is in the box with the CPU. However, do make sure the CPU's die surface is clean - no hair, dust etc - and try not to touch the surface. When you mount the CPU in the socket hold it by the edges etc.

Oh, and take anti-static precautions. You only have to look at the extremes that electronics factories go to in order to prevent electrostatic damage to realise that it is a real threat - especially in these days of surface mounted components.

dyewitness
30-10-2008, 04:51 PM
I like these posts by Jeff Atwood:
(Read through parts 1 to 4)

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000905.html

(Not saying use those particular components, but just a general feel for assembling a machine)

qazwsxokmijn
30-10-2008, 05:04 PM
Thing is-I am just a teen-I'm not exactly made of money here lol.
What happens when things go wrong?
Buy another $300 part?:illogical
I'm only 18 here. When I first built my system I was in my late 16. Granted, what I broke was a $120 CPU not anything worth more, but if you won't take any risks then you're going to live a bubble-wrapped life. Besides, 120 was a big amount anyway.

stormdragon
30-10-2008, 06:08 PM
I would probably want a better looking case.
Looks is all that matters!:D


There's heaps of different cases out there just look around. Looks aren't everything although they are important :), also consider build quality and airflow.


Is that GFX card good? On the gpforum they recommend the ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card for the 1500 dollar range.

Its a better then my 8800GTS seriously though a 4870 are at least $200 more. If that's what you want and you can afford one go for it.



Also, what type of fan would you recommend for OCing?
Currently a noob and know nothing about OCing but want to have a fan just in case:thumbs:

OCing Intel CPU's (use mostly AMD's) isn't really my arena to comment on, they would be alot more knowledgeable people on the forum then me for this. Although I will say a after market cooler is useless unless your case has good airflow.

Agent_24
30-10-2008, 06:12 PM
I used to use lots, from Legend.
Way too many failures so I stopped. The warrnty isn't that long anyway.

But Legend isn't Palit... though I have seen pictures of "legend" cards and they look like they are built with the bare minimum to function and nothing more.

Funny thing, the first MSI Mobo I bought (from DSE) came in a Legend box... :illogical


Palit's making a good name for themselves by the looks of it. Their custom cooling is superior to stock on many of their cards, not sure about warranty but an overseas friend got his dead 8800GTX replaced within a month I think it was.

I read reviews on some of their cards too, They custom design the PCB and Cooler, and are actually quite good designs apparently. Don't know about quality but I imagine it's not too bad.

Anyone who's going to bother customising probably isn't going to ruin it with rubbish parts... I hope.

Speaking of mistakes, the main one I made when doing my first custom build was putting way too much paste on the CPU (it was OEM and I had to buy a 3rd party cooler) but if you buy a retail boxed CPU of any brand, it comes with a suitable cooler and thermal material, so you can't go wrong :thumbs:

Just remember to check everything twice before you power on. You don't want to let the magic smoke out...

password
30-10-2008, 06:55 PM
Lol just for support, i am 16, just build my own maybe a year ago..

I was just like you, Nervous as anything!!! The only problem i had was installing the CD Drive (Not much of a problem, i will 15 XD) but after reading the install instructions in the pack it was sweet =)

Have a go, just like qazwsxokmijn says, "Just because things can go wrong, doesn't mean it will!"

Go on have a try, Its awesome fun =)

stormdragon
30-10-2008, 07:06 PM
A few tips:

Read the manuals with the various components.

Most connections have notches to help you orientate parts the correct way, check these before joining anything (if it seems to take to much force to insert something its probably the wrong way round.

Remember to consider electrostatic discharge (ESD).

Check everything before powering on.

If in doubt don't hesitate to ask, a lot of us here have built numerous systems before and are more then happy to help. Don't be afraid to ask seemingly noobish questions its better then possibly throwing money away.


And as for building your own PC - it's immensely satisfying. But just remember just because things can go wrong, doesn't mean it will, so don't let fear wuss you out.

:thumbs::thumbs:

gary67
30-10-2008, 07:20 PM
A few tips:

Read the manuals with the various components.

Most connections have notches to help you orientate parts the correct way, check these before joining anything (if it seems to take to much force to insert something its probably the wrong way round.

Remember to consider electrostatic discharge (ESD).

Check everything before powering on.

If in doubt don't hesitate to ask, a lot of us here have built numerous systems before and are more then happy to help. Don't be afraid to ask seemingly noobish questions its better then possibly throwing money away.



:thumbs::thumbs:

Yes believe me I have asked some lately but not to do with building a system, although I have built a few. Just remember if you go for an Asus mobo if it has the Atheros network card it probably will conflict with comodo firewall if you install it, took me a few days to work out why this system would not connect to the net when I rebuilt it this year

Blam
30-10-2008, 09:33 PM
There's heaps of different cases out there just look around. Looks aren't everything although they are important :), also consider build quality and airflow.



Its a better then my 8800GTS seriously though a 4870 are at least $200 more. If that's what you want and you can afford one go for it.



OCing Intel CPU's (use mostly AMD's) isn't really my arena to comment on, they would be alot more knowledgeable people on the forum then me for this. Although I will say a after market cooler is useless unless your case has good airflow.

I've been looking at quite a few raidmax cases, they look quite good, are they good in terms of quality.?

As for the the GFX card, to be honest I don't really know what card I need. I just need one that'll play most of the latest games (fallout 3, crysis)

What other kind of cooling system would I need for OCing?

Also, will this system be powerful enough for me to quad boot ubuntu, vista, xp and leopard? (and maybe windows 7 when it comes out)

BTW thanks all for your opinion/tips/suggestions:D
Blam

Edit:Gary-will be sure to keep that in mind, but I find Vista's firewall sufficient.

Agent_24
31-10-2008, 12:09 AM
I've been looking at quite a few raidmax cases, they look quite good, are they good in terms of quality.?

As for the the GFX card, to be honest I don't really know what card I need. I just need one that'll play most of the latest games (fallout 3, crysis)

What other kind of cooling system would I need for OCing?

Also, will this system be powerful enough for me to quad boot ubuntu, vista, xp and leopard? (and maybe windows 7 when it comes out)

BTW thanks all for your opinion/tips/suggestions:D
Blam

Edit:Gary-will be sure to keep that in mind, but I find Vista's firewall sufficient.

Raidmax... well their PSUs are junk, and as far as I know their cases are pretty cheap (read: bend too easily, a problem with a lot of the cheaper cases)

A case is probably one of the components where you really should look at it in real life before you buy it, or at least get a decent review on it. You don't need to buy an aluminum case for lots of $$$ but don't get one too horrible either.

Good graphics card for Crysis.. well Crysis will eat anything so get the fastest possible...

Overclocking: depends how far you want to go, really, or how cool you want your CPU etc.. water cooling would be the best if you really want to go mad with it...

System will be able to boot as many OS as you like, provided you have enough drives/partitions & space and your bootloaders are all setup properly..

But unless you illegally download or otherwise hack OSX you won't get it on a normal PC (www.insanelymac.com for more info on that!)

Blam
31-10-2008, 12:24 AM
Raidmax... well their PSUs are junk, and as far as I know their cases are pretty cheap (read: bend too easily, a problem with a lot of the cheaper cases)

A case is probably one of the components where you really should look at it in real life before you buy it, or at least get a decent review on it. You don't need to buy an aluminum case for lots of $$$ but don't get one too horrible either.

Good graphics card for Crysis.. well Crysis will eat anything so get the fastest possible...

Overclocking: depends how far you want to go, really, or how cool you want your CPU etc.. water cooling would be the best if you really want to go mad with it...

System will be able to boot as many OS as you like, provided you have enough drives/partitions & space and your bootloaders are all setup properly..

But unless you illegally download or otherwise hack OSX you won't get it on a normal PC (www.insanelymac.com for more info on that!)


I'll keep that in mind-are there any cases you would recommend?

For OC'ing, I'll prob just OC it to about 3.6 ghz-maybe 4.0 ghz is I don't wuss out lol:waughh:
Can anyone point me in the ight direction as for what hardware I would need for that sort of OC'ing?

I have a legal version of Leopard-I just modified the dvd following a tutorial from that website.:banana

Also, what would WEI score would I have if I followed Stormdragon's rig suggestion?

BTW, I'm not much of a regular customer at QMB, how much discount do they normally give you and how much do you reckon they'll give me?

Hope I'm not to much of a nuisance:D
Blam

stormdragon
31-10-2008, 07:58 AM
Just pop them an email requesting a quote and see what you get back. I can't really say whats normal as at times I'm requesting anywhere from 1 to 25 computers.

No idea about WEI scores but should be quite high.

pctek
31-10-2008, 08:17 AM
But Legend isn't Palit... though I have seen pictures of "legend" cards and they look like they are built with the bare minimum to function and nothing more.


They were. I bought them, not just looked at pictures. And they confirmed it too.



All this about cases. Look whats important is whats inside the case. The case itself is mostly looks.
Yes there are the top of the line with removable everything, aluminium, loads of fans etc. But almost any case can have extra fans added if necessary.

So long as what you put in it will fit, you like the design, then it really doesn't matter.

As for the comment on bending, what do you do with your cases? Boot them round the floor?

Thebananamonkey
31-10-2008, 08:18 AM
I'll keep that in mind-are there any cases you would recommend?

For OC'ing, I'll prob just OC it to about 3.6 ghz-maybe 4.0 ghz is I don't wuss out lol:waughh:
Can anyone point me in the ight direction as for what hardware I would need for that sort of OC'ing?

As far as cooling in cases goes, the antec 1200 and 900 are pretty good. You couldn't go too far wrong with one of them. They're not the prettiest, but they're definitely some of the best.

I bought a giant aftermarket zalman job. It's done me pretty well so far. I got my Q6600 up to 3.4Ghz (from 2.4) before the MoBo decided enough was enough, temps never got anywhere near concerning levels. The best is supposed to be this (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=354859). But it's a little pricey.

I'd suggest if it's your first build, you don't really want to be dealing with water. A good heatsink should get you to basic water cooling temps anyway. Just a bit louder.

If you do get that cooler, make sure you check with the company to see if it fits in the case.

Blam
01-11-2008, 05:09 PM
I have decided on this and will be buying the parts soon.

Could you please check if everything is compatible?

ASUS P5QL-PRO (Express Gate),$186.77 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108008)

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8500 3.16Ghz 6M 1333Mhz LGA775 $367.16 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107469)

ASUS DRW-2014S1T SATA 20X DVD+/-R DVD Writer $42.57 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108084)

Asus 9800GT HybridPower 512MB DDR3 $258.26 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?108127)

or

Asus HD 4850 HDMI 512MB DDR3 $321.30 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107918)

(not sure if I should get the 4850 for 60 bucks extra. Also, do either have HDMI? It has HDMI output-is that HDMI to HDMI?)

Western Digital Caviar SE 640GB $132.66 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107739)

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD $174.38 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?106476)


Corsair XMS 4GB (2GB x2) DDR2-800 XMS PC2 6400 $135.63 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107769)

Antec Nine Hundred Tower Gaming Case with Side Window $204.62 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107760)

Corsair 650W TX Series Power Supply $156.52 (http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?107917)

(should I U/G to the 750w version? Its about 40 bucks more)

Altogether it comes to $1,658.57 with the 9800GT GFX card and $1,721.61 with the 4850


Also, could I have your advice on 2 more things please

a) Would I get a faster machine for the same price if I used AMD instead
Intel?

b) has anyone tried that express gate thing on the Asus P5Q Mobo?
And does it work?

Thanks alot:thumbs::D
Blam

BTW does anyone know any good sites for shops in HK that sell computer parts?
I'm going there in about 2 months and wanted to know if I could get parts cheaper there. In 2 months-should I still follow this configuration?
Or should I get something else?

memphis
01-11-2008, 05:39 PM
Get the 4850 and the 750watt psu for $40 more is an easy yes of course!!!:thumbs:

Intel is faster then AMD at the moment.Get Intel for sure.:thumbs:

-(One minute the fastest cpu is AMD,next minute its Intel,it changes over time).:)

Things can change 2 months from now so if you are going to leave it till then, then use this as a good list to go from and see if better computer parts are cheaper in 2 months time.:thumbs:

Blam
01-11-2008, 05:52 PM
Get the 4850 and the 750watt psu for $40 more is an easy yes of course!!!:thumbs:

Intel is faster then AMD at the moment.Get Intel for sure.:thumbs:

-(One minute the fastest cpu is AMD,next minute its Intel,it changes over time).:)

Things can change 2 months from now so if you are going to leave it till then, then use this as a good list to go from and see if better computer parts are cheaper in 2 months time.:thumbs:

Yeah, I will prob get a 1.5 TB HDD seeing as HDD prices are dropping rapidly

Blam
02-11-2008, 05:08 PM
Hello?
Can someone help me with these last few thing please?
thanks

Thebananamonkey
02-11-2008, 05:33 PM
4850, definitely.

Stay with Intel.

I don't have a P5Q, so can't help you.

Are you going 64bit or 32?

Good to see you're dropping the Western Digital for a Seagate.

Never been to Hong Kong, so don't know. Doubt you'll get much help from others either. I'd imagine they'd be cheaper.

That's what Google is for anyway. www.google.com.hk then choose english

Blam
02-11-2008, 05:43 PM
Ok-I'll stick with the 4850
I love the Antec 900-200mm fan:banana

Searching now.
thanx:D

pctek
02-11-2008, 05:55 PM
not sure if I should get the 4850 for 60 bucks extra.


Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD $174.38


Corsair XMS 4GB (2GB x2) DDR2-800 XMS PC2 6400 $135.63

a) Would I get a faster machine for the same price if I used AMD instead
Intel?

b) has anyone tried that express gate thing on the Asus P5Q Mobo?
And does it work?

I'm going there in about 2 months and wanted to know if I could get parts cheaper there. In 2 months-should I still follow this configuration?
Or should I get something else?[/B]

yes.

To get 4GB RAm you need the 64bit version, NOT 32bit. Make sure its 64bit Windows.

No, Intel rules.

Yes. Its Linux.

No. And then you have problems with warranty. Buy local.

In 2 months it will all cost you more - the exchange rate still sucks.
Buy now or ask again when you are ready to buy because parts will have changed too.

Blam
03-11-2008, 07:39 AM
Ok-planning to dual boot Vista 64bit and Vista Home PREMIUM 32 bit.
I'll ask for advice when I'm ready to buy.
:D
Thanks everyone for the help:)Much appreciated