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Jared White5
25-10-2008, 04:55 PM
Well topic basically says it all. I'm sick of my current comp due to it being old an outdated and I'm wanting to build 1st gaming computer but am not so sure on what hardware i would need for a Good Performance Gaming computer. I'm interested in building computers and will hopefully pursue it later on in life.

What Hardware would i need for a good performance gaming computer? i don't want it costing a lot but am willing to spend about 1200-1500 on it. Any help would be gratefully accepted :D

P.S I do know how to build a computer it's just the hardware side of it i'm not totally clued up on.

gary67
25-10-2008, 05:00 PM
Welcome to pF1 Jared especially since your in Nelson, do a search of the threads and you will find lots of details on hardware also check out the website Toms hardware they have really good reviews on hardware as well as comparison tables

pctek
25-10-2008, 06:40 PM
Good Performance Gaming computer.
am willing to spend about 1200-1500 on it.
A contradition there already.
While you may want performance, your budget suggests mid range.

Have a look here, doesn't have to be exactly these brand parts:
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/302905/?

~$1500
Intel + ATI
CPU: $271.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, 3.16GHz (OC up to 4.2GHz) review
HSF: $130.00 Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 + fan
Mobo: $200.00 Asustek P5Q PRO P45
RAM: $160.00 2x2GB DDR2-1000 CL5 MEMORY
GFX: $413.00 ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card
Case: $125.00 Case (eg Silverstone TJ04)
PSU: $125.00 Corsair VX 550WATT POWER SUPPLY 550W PSU
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer
HDD: $115.00 Western Digital Caviar SE 640GB 7200rpm SATA hard drive
= $1,581.00 Total inc gst, ex shipping

I'd change the HDD to Seagate, stay with a stock HSF and get a 650w COrsair instead.

gary67
25-10-2008, 07:02 PM
Look in the computer mags too they often have lists of components to make up different systems such as budget, mid range, gaming etc

Jared White5
25-10-2008, 11:12 PM
Well i've been researching it a bit and watched a few reviews on motherboards and have come up with one that is a bit higher then what i was wanting but it seems that if i wanted to upgrade my comp i could do it easily without going out and searching for a whole new motherboard. The mother board is a EVGA nforce 780i SLI and is about ~$350 but seems to be good quality?

EviLClouD
25-10-2008, 11:28 PM
Well i've been researching it a bit and watched a few reviews on motherboards and have come up with one that is a bit higher then what i was wanting but it seems that if i wanted to upgrade my comp i could do it easily without going out and searching for a whole new motherboard. The mother board is a EVGA nforce 780i SLI and is about ~$350 but seems to be good quality?

Actually, Intel is releasing new processors soon, which will be socket 1366. Current Intel cpu's are socket 775, so there's really no future proof with the 780i, unless you plan to stick with the same cpu and upgrade graphics only?

As for the board itself, it's pretty decent, but it's pointless unless you're going (or plan to go) SLI.

Jared White5
25-10-2008, 11:43 PM
Actually, Intel is releasing new processors soon, which will be socket 1366. Current Intel cpu's are socket 775, so there's really no future proof with the 780i, unless you plan to stick with the same cpu and upgrade graphics only?

As for the board itself, it's pretty decent, but it's pointless unless you're going (or plan to go) SLI.

Well i plan to eventually Use 3 GPU's but that would be later on down the track.

And when does Intel plan to release these 1366 socket CPU's?

qazwsxokmijn
26-10-2008, 12:17 AM
And when does Intel plan to release these 1366 socket CPU's?
2 are already on pricespy, not sure about availability though. All 3 models are quad cores, not dual.

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 12:47 AM
This is what i have so far...

Motherboard: EVGA nforce 780i SLI ~350
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6850 ~250 or E8500? ~300
RAM: XMS2 DDR2 4GB(2x2GB) PC2-8500 Dual Channel ~200?
GPU: EVGA NVIDIA GEFORCE 9800GTX+ ~400
PSU: Not too sure.
Case: Don't have a clue on cases.

Is this an alright system? if it will even work... considering i've only done a few hours reading up on it and this is what i've come up with.

PSU & Case i don't know about. Does the case have to be a certain type to fit that motherboard or what? and PSU well yeah not too sure :P

pctek
26-10-2008, 08:31 AM
Motherboard: EVGA nforce 780i SLI ~350
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor E8500? ~300
RAM: XMS2 DDR2 4GB(2x2GB) PC2-8500 Dual Channel ~200?
GPU: EVGA NVIDIA GEFORCE 9800GTX+ ~400
PSU: Not too sure.
Case: Don't have a clue on cases.


Cases generally don't matter. Its a personal preference. Just make sure its ATX which will be most of them anyway.

PSU, get a 650w Corsair. Or Enermax.

As for the new Intels, my supplier shows an ETA of tomorrow for the new CPUs.
You can never "future-proof".


I wouldn't buy EVGA, 1 year warranty only unless you go through their involved process of registering - and even then it would have to go back to them overseas and that apparently can take absolutely ages.

gary67
26-10-2008, 09:06 AM
A few people on here will recommend Asus motherboards my self included I really like them

SolMiester
26-10-2008, 10:52 AM
This is what i have so far...

Motherboard: EVGA nforce 780i SLI ~350
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6850 ~250 or E8500? ~300
RAM: XMS2 DDR2 4GB(2x2GB) PC2-8500 Dual Channel ~200?
GPU: EVGA NVIDIA GEFORCE 9800GTX+ ~400
PSU: Not too sure.
Case: Don't have a clue on cases.

Is this an alright system? if it will even work... considering i've only done a few hours reading up on it and this is what i've come up with.

PSU & Case i don't know about. Does the case have to be a certain type to fit that motherboard or what? and PSU well yeah not too sure :P

I prefer NV cards, however I have to say, bang for buck and the moment, 4870 would be a better purchase....

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 11:36 AM
Something like this?

Motherboard: Asus P5N-D Motherboard ~ 250
PSU: Corsair 650W TX Series ~250
Case: Ninja Gaming Case (Black), Side Window ~130 (is that case ATX? cause it said nothing about it on the site i looked at)

If that motherboard isn't too great could you maybe suggest one that is? around 250-400.

As for the Graphics Card's I'm not too sure on but I'm guessing since my motherboard is DDR2 the Memory type of the graphics card would have to be DDR2 as well?

jwil1
26-10-2008, 11:41 AM
Any Asus motherboard with at least 3 years' warranty is fine. I have an Asus P5KC and I'm really happy with it. Cost me $220 new from Ascent.

stormdragon
26-10-2008, 12:07 PM
As for the Graphics Card's I'm not too sure on but I'm guessing since my motherboard is DDR2 the Memory type of the graphics card would have to be DDR2 as well?

No the graphics card memory is completely separate to that of the system. Your system memory could be DDR2 while your graphics card uses GDDR5.

What resolution are you planning in gaming at?

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 12:14 PM
No the graphics card memory is completely separate to that of the system. Your system memory could be DDR2 while your graphics card uses GDDR5.

O, ok thanks for that cause i thought I had to work my graphics card memory around my motherboard :P

Hopefully 1680x1050? but that will be once i have actually built the Computer and buy a 22" LCD

qazwsxokmijn
26-10-2008, 12:17 PM
What kind of memory would you recommend for my graphics card? im guessing it will be something like GDDR3 or 5?
All high-end graphics cards today are at least GDDR3.

I recommend 4870, and I think it's the only GDDR5 card today.

Hopefully 1680x1050? but that will be once i have actually built the Computer and buy a 22" LCD
1680x1050 is becoming the standard resolution for gaming nowadays, 1280x1024 is being phased out as a day-to-day use standards.

I still game at 1280x1024, still fine, but I'd love to upgrade to a 22" 1680x1050 LCD.

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 12:24 PM
Would you recommend i get the 1GB or 512MB, There is about a $90-$140 price difference but is there much noticeable features or am i just paying an extra cost to get relatively the same result?

So far...

Motherboard: Asus P5N-D Motherboard ~ 250
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6850 ~250 or E8500? ~300
GPU: Hightech ATI HD4870 512mb ~450 or 1GB? ~580
RAM: XMS2 DDR2 4GB(2x2GB) PC2-8500 Dual Channel ~200
PSU: Corsair 650W TX Series ~250
Case: Ninja Gaming Case (Black), Side Window ~130 (is that case ATX? cause it said nothing about it on the site i looked at)

Total w/ E6850 & 4870 512mb: $1,530
Total w/ E8500 & 4870 1GB: $1,710

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 01:17 PM
So what i found out after doing a bit of research on the Graphics Card is that the 1GB will give you better frame rates on higher resolution? is that correct?

So if i was to buy a 22" LCD with 1680x1050 resolution i should really go with the 512mb?

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 01:53 PM
Would Edit my posts but the 15min Edit option has gone :( so sorry for triple posting but i keep changing my mind :p

Which case would you rather go for?

The Ninja Gaming Case (Black), Side Window ~130
or
NZXT Alpha ATX Mid Tower Case ~130

Or you can suggest another. I'm looking for a well designed Case but not totally over budget. Anyone have any ideas? if those don't meet the criteria

SolMiester
26-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Would Edit my posts but the 15min Edit option has gone :( so sorry for triple posting but i keep changing my mind :p

Which case would you rather go for?

The Ninja Gaming Case (Black), Side Window ~130
or
NZXT Alpha ATX Mid Tower Case ~130

Or you can suggest another. I'm looking for a well designed Case but not totally over budget. Anyone have any ideas? if those don't meet the criteria

Neither, especially if you want to add extra graphic cards for CF.

Silverstone TJ09, or less expensive option would be say and Antec 900 or 1200. You will need lots of airflow.

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 03:37 PM
So i'm guessing a Full tower for more air flow? and enough Fans to keep it at a cool temperature?

Im guessing this would do?
Antec 1200 (http://www.shopbot.co.nz/pp-antec-price-96835-2404983.html)
or
Gigabite 3D-MARS (http://www.nzoczone.com/product_info.php?cPath=59&products_id=7566)

Are they both adequate? and good money for what they are?

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 04:20 PM
Still unsure on what Memory i want for my graphics card. Should i go for the 512mb about $90-$140 cheaper or go for the 1GB memory? I intend to upgrade my current monitor to a 22" LCD with 1680x1050 and from what i gather the more memory your graphic card has the more frames per second you get on higher resolution monitors is this true? and if so would i really need 1GB memory for 1680x1050 resolution?

Motherboard: Asus P5N-D Motherboard ~ 250
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6850 E8500 ~300
GPU: Hightech ATI HD4870 512mb ~450 or 1GB? ~580
RAM: XMS2 DDR2 4GB(2x2GB) PC2-8500 Dual Channel ~200
PSU: Corsair 650W TX Series ~250
Case: Antec 900 ~ 200
HDD: Don't have a clue on HDD's is there a certain format that you have to have for your motherboard or what?

Total w/ 4870 512mb ex HDD: $1,650
Total w/ 4870 1GB ex HDD: $1,780

Thebananamonkey
26-10-2008, 04:25 PM
I'd seriously go for the PC that PCTek posted on the first page.

Tried, tested, proven.

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 04:37 PM
Hmm, you mayb be right :p does look like a good setup to the one i have.

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 05:22 PM
Well i took the advice of Thebananamonkey and decided to go with the setup that PCTek got from gpforums and add my own Case/PSU/HDD & maybe Mobo (depends on what others say). Will the case be adequate for what i want? I will most probably buy another ATI graphics card later on down the track also would it be advisable to get Asus P5N-D Motherboard if i was going to have two ATI Graphics Cards?

CPU: $300.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, 3.16GHz (OC up to 4.2GHz)
Mobo: $200.00 Asustek P5Q PRO P45
RAM: $160.00 2x2GB DDR2-1000 CL5 MEMORY
GFX: $413.00 ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card
Case: $150.00 NZXT Tempest Enthusiast
PSU: $250.00 Corsair 650W TX
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer
HDD: $180.00 Seagate 750GB 7200rpm SATA
Total cost = $1,695.00 ex S&H

stormdragon
26-10-2008, 05:51 PM
That PSU is really expensive, I got the same from PBTech for about $170 (http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=PSUCOR0650).

What brand is the memory and graphics card?

qazwsxokmijn
26-10-2008, 06:08 PM
For case, I personally recommend a Gigabyte 3D Aurora 570 full tower.

http://www.c1com.co.nz/shop/step1.php?number=15301

I've got one myself and I can vouch these things would be excellent for your system. Very spacious, cables are very tidy and edges are smooth. Glossy aluminium finish, etc. Great stuff. You can even make a custom LED logo that shines onto the floor.

Here's a review:
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?cid=22&id=2149

pctek
26-10-2008, 07:14 PM
Will the case be adequate for what i want?
CPU: $300.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, 3.16GHz (OC up to 4.2GHz)
Mobo: $200.00 Asustek P5Q PRO P45
RAM: $160.00 2x2GB DDR2-1000 CL5 MEMORY
GFX: $413.00 ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card
Case: $150.00 NZXT Tempest Enthusiast
PSU: $250.00 Corsair 650W TX
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer
HDD: $180.00 Seagate 750GB 7200rpm SATA
Total cost = $1,695.00 ex S&H

Case is fine. Its personal taste.
If you were thinking of the 4870x2, then I'd advise being a bit more picky but you're not. And anyway I fit mine into a mid-tower.

The boards fine too, all you need to worry about is if it supports crossfire. Which it does.

Although, if you are going to have 2 graphics cards, maybe bump it up to a 750w. To be on the safe side.

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 09:05 PM
That PSU is really expensive, I got the same from PBTech for about $170 (http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=PSUCOR0650).

What brand is the memory and graphics card?

Yeah you were right the PSU is rather expensive for what i was getting. I looked on that site and seen i can get an extra 100W PSU for $50 less :p. Thanks for that. Now to the Graphics card, it looks like Asus will be the cheapest, maybe. If not can you recommend one that will be cheaper?
As for the RAM I'm not totally sure what brand i would go with. As i said in my first post I'm extremely new to this computer building business. So i don't have much knowledge on computer components



Case is fine. Its personal taste.
If you were thinking of the 4870x2, then I'd advise being a bit more picky but you're not. And anyway I fit mine into a mid-tower.

The boards fine too, all you need to worry about is if it supports crossfire. Which it does.

Although, if you are going to have 2 graphics cards, maybe bump it up to a 750w. To be on the safe side.

So you're saying i would have to be rather picky about what case i get if i wanted to but 2 4780 Graphic Cards into my computer? which i am planning on doing but later on down the track but not for 6 months or so.

Could you suggest any stylish (but affordable $150-$300) looking casings that would be adequate?


P.S. Thanks for all the help everyone, you guys have been amazing :D :D

Jared White5
26-10-2008, 11:34 PM
Edit: I thought the NZXT Tempest E-ATX Full Tower Case (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943) would be good for Airflow/cooling since it has "Dual 120mm intake, Dual 140mm Exhaust with an additional side 120mm fan and rear 120mm fan all included" and "PSU mounting at the bottom allows for more security and separation of heat from the CPU"

I guess I'm asking if it would be suitable for all the components below? (even though it states one ATI 4870 card down there i will be purchasing another one once the computer is made and i'm happy with it to an extent)

CPU: $300.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, 3.16GHz (OC up to 4.2GHz)
Mobo: $200.00 Asustek P5Q PRO P45
RAM: $160.00 2x2GB DDR2-1000 CL5 MEMORY
GFX: $413.00 ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card
PSU: $200.00 Corsair 750W
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer
HDD: $180.00 Seagate 750GB 7200rpm SATA

The Case i'm wanting is also a full Tower so would give everything a bit more room.
Here's the link (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943) to it if you haven't already clicked on the above one.

qazwsxokmijn
26-10-2008, 11:50 PM
Edit: I thought the NZXT Tempest E-ATX Full Tower Case (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943) would be good for Airflow/cooling since it has "Dual 120mm intake, Dual 140mm Exhaust with an additional side 120mm fan and rear 120mm fan all included" and "PSU mounting at the bottom allows for more security and separation of heat from the CPU"

I guess I'm asking if it would be suitable for all the components below? (even though it states one ATI 4870 card down there i will be purchasing another one once the computer is made and i'm happy with it to an extent)

CPU: $300.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500, 3.16GHz (OC up to 4.2GHz)
Mobo: $200.00 Asustek P5Q PRO P45
RAM: $160.00 2x2GB DDR2-1000 CL5 MEMORY
GFX: $413.00 ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card
PSU: $200.00 Corsair 750W
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer
HDD: $180.00 Seagate 750GB 7200rpm SATA

The Case i'm wanting is also a full Tower so would give everything a bit more room.
Here's the link (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943) to it if you haven't already clicked on the above one.
Forget my Gigabyte suggestion, that thing is huge! Just make sure you can fit that case on your desk.

And yeah, of course that case will be cool enough for your system. If you want to overclock your CPU by that much, make sure you get a good aftermarket cooler.

Thebananamonkey
27-10-2008, 12:13 AM
So you're saying i would have to be rather picky about what case i get if i wanted to but 2 4780 Graphic Cards into my computer? which i am planning on doing but later on down the track but not for 6 months or so.

You're looking at putting $2000 worth of GFX into a $1500 computer?

Can't you find a cheaper hobby? You really really really won't see much for that... you could buy an OK car for that. Or enough petrol to get to the shops and back or something.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 12:16 AM
Forget my Gigabyte suggestion, that thing is huge! Just make sure you can fit that case on your desk.

And yeah, of course that case will be cool enough for your system. If you want to overclock your CPU by that much, make sure you get a good aftermarket cooler.

Don't think ill OC my CPU mainly because i don't have a clue on how to do it and don't want to ruin a good motherboard because of it.


You're looking at putting $2000 worth of GFX into a $1500 computer?

Can't you find a cheaper hobby? You really really really won't see much for that... you could buy an OK car for that. Or enough petrol to get to the shops and back or something.

Well I'm not totally sure but somehow i doubt it will happen. As i said i don't know all that much about computer components and $1500 was only a base, i could see how it could get quite a lot higher easily.


So now just to get a reply from stormdragon :p


That PSU is really expensive, I got the same from PBTech for about $170 (http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?item=PSUCOR0650).

What brand is the memory and graphics card?

Yeah you were right the PSU is rather expensive for what i was getting. I looked on that site and seen i can get an extra 100W PSU for $50 less. Thanks for that.

Now to the Graphics card, it looks like Asus will be the cheapest, maybe. If not can you recommend one that will be cheaper?

As for the RAM I'm not totally sure what brand i would go with. As i said in my first post I'm extremely new to this computer building business. So i don't have much knowledge on computer components

stormdragon
27-10-2008, 07:32 AM
Now to the Graphics card, it looks like Asus will be the cheapest, maybe. If not can you recommend one that will be cheaper?

As for the RAM I'm not totally sure what brand i would go with.

Stick with Asus it's a good brand, backed up with good warranties.

As for RAM imo Corsair, GSkill or Kingston are the way to go brand wise.



As i said in my first post I'm extremely new to this computer building business. So i don't have much knowledge on computer components.

Are you confident enough with your knowledge to build the machine yourself with that much money in components on the line?

pctek
27-10-2008, 08:36 AM
You're looking at putting $2000 worth of GFX into a $1500 computer?


Where do you get $2000?

GFX: $413.00 ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB graphics card

x2 = $800.

Its a 4870, not a 4870x2.

As I said before, the case is fine.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 10:42 AM
Are you confident enough with your knowledge to build the machine yourself with that much money in components on the line?

I have had previous experience in building them but i will have someone helping me so don't worry :p wouldn't risk that much money on components for me to stuff it up and thanks again for the help been wonderful :)

kersonan
27-10-2008, 11:14 AM
I've just done a custom gaming machine (got bored with the old one)

Quick Specs
quadcore@3ghz
Asus Striker 2 formula (really nice mobo, I own two of them)
Antec 1200 case (the old machine is in an Antec900, great cases, the cable bay in the 1200 is great for hiding the cables and getting out of the airflow)
2xGTX260 in SLI (both are Asus cards)
8GB Ram (corsair)
1000Watt Zalman Zm1000-HP (good solid power supply is critical to a gaming rig with high end graphics boards)
Zalman HSF
Monitor Viewsonic 28" (900 bucks well spent, no point having beastly graphics on a low end screen)
Vista64Ultimate (needed for the 8gb ram, though there's nothing in Ultimate that justifies it price vs vanilla Vista 64)

Make sure that if your buying a case with a power supply that it can meet your needs, modern graphics cards need a lot of power, in my case each card requires 2x6pin power cables to run it, the first power supply i tried would run fine until the cards started to come under load then it would click off, the power supply simply could not handle the cards+rest of the comp.

Remember also that some of the bigger cases with a lot of fans (I'm looking at you Antec1200, you and your 6 fans) will need power to run those, the draw isn't a lot but if your close to the line power wise it could become rather annoying.

Reviews are your best friend, do your homework on every part, for cases look for comments on cooling, for power look for what plugs it has, pay attention to how many amps each rail can handle. Graphics cards look at benchmark scores for the types of games you like, Motherboards look for things like plug placement, can the ram slots be accessed with a graphics card in place, read the manufacturer forums to see what sort of problems people found with them.

SLI isnt the performance silver bullet its made out to be, you can get great performance from a single card, or consider the types of card that are single slot SLI types like the GX2 for example. All SLI is going to do for you is make games smoother and more able to handle spikes where lots of stuff is going on screen. There's not much difference gaming wise between my 8800GT SLI machine (old one) and another machine i have with a single 8800GTS (very similar specs cpu/ram etc)

Lastly once you have it built and running, give a thought to placement. I've seen many a machine wedged into those horrible cheap computer desks with no room to breathe, Make sure you keep the internals tidy and free from dust. I take to mine with air dusters on a regular basis, remember also that modern graphics cards push a ton of hot air out the back so if you have the case backed up to a wall you could find some issues with smoldering wallpaper :)

Hope that's of some help on your journey down the road to a gaming machine, you'll arrive at the end with empty pockets but definitely a worthy beast to show for it.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 11:57 AM
Well this is what i've ended up with...

CPU: $318.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz 6M 1333MHz 45nm (http://urcomputer.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1391)
Mobo: $200.00 Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 Chipset LGA775 ATX (http://pconlineshop.co.nz/pcshop/product_info.php?products_id=274829&RBTid=b083ca15f12587917d245f4528d44a4b)
RAM: $204.00 Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X4096-8500C5, 2x2GB, DDR2, DIMM, DDR21066, Low profile (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=370825)
GFX: $470.00 Asus ATI Radeon HD 4870 EAH4870/HTDI/512M DDR3 PCI-E (http://www.extremepc.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3272)
Case: $225.32 NZXT Tempest E-ATX Full Tower Case, Side Window, Black (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943)
PSU: $205.90 Corsair TX750, 750W ATX PSU, Active PFC, SLI Ready, Grey, Retail (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=361829)
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer (http://pconlineshop.co.nz/pcshop/product_info.php?products_id=36589)
HDD: $218.36 Seagate Barracuda ST3750330AS Hard Disk Drive, 750GB, 7200rpm, 32768KB Cache, SATA-2 (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=359823)
Total cost = $1,883.58 inc gst ex S&H

Why does this ATI 4870 (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=8116997) cost so much compared to the one i posted up above? it's the same product, yeah?

Also if you guys know anywhere else i could get better deals please post :)

kersonan
27-10-2008, 12:26 PM
most of the variants in pricing that you seeing with the video cards will come down to the bundle and the maker, the cheaper ones will lack a free game, extra cables and adaptors for example. best to spend the extra coin and get a good brand like Asus. The video cards are a key part of a stable gaming machine so cheaping out on them isnt a good idea

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 12:36 PM
most of the variants in pricing that you seeing with the video cards will come down to the bundle and the maker, the cheaper ones will lack a free game, extra cables and adaptors for example. best to spend the extra coin and get a good brand like Asus. The video cards are a key part of a stable gaming machine so cheaping out on them isnt a good idea

Yeah i don't mind spending money on Video cards because essentially they are an important part of gaming but s was more meaning stuff like the PSU/HDD/RAM etc for cheaper prices :p

Also, isn't This (http://www.extremepc.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3272) the same as This (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=8116997) but the first one is cheaper?

kersonan
27-10-2008, 12:55 PM
yup farily normal price diff your seeing there, comes down to how they get the parts. the smaller retailers will be buying off the places in NZ that bring the parts in vs the bigger ones that can bring their own stuff in.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 01:39 PM
yup farily normal price diff your seeing there, comes down to how they get the parts. the smaller retailers will be buying off the places in NZ that bring the parts in vs the bigger ones that can bring their own stuff in.

Ah that explains it a bit :D Thank You

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 03:23 PM
Well this is what i've ended up with...

CPU: $318.00 Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16GHz 6M 1333MHz 45nm (http://urcomputer.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1391)
Mobo: $200.00 Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 Chipset LGA775 ATX (http://pconlineshop.co.nz/pcshop/product_info.php?products_id=274829&RBTid=b083ca15f12587917d245f4528d44a4b)
RAM: $204.00 Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X4096-8500C5, 2x2GB, DDR2, DIMM, DDR21066, Low profile (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=370825)
GFX: $470.00 Asus ATI Radeon HD 4870 EAH4870/HTDI/512M DDR3 PCI-E (http://www.extremepc.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3272)
Case: $225.32 NZXT Tempest E-ATX Full Tower Case, Side Window, Black (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943)
PSU: $205.90 Corsair TX750, 750W ATX PSU, Active PFC, SLI Ready, Grey, Retail (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=361829)
DVD: $42.00 Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer (http://pconlineshop.co.nz/pcshop/product_info.php?products_id=36589)
HDD: $218.36 Seagate Barracuda ST3750330AS Hard Disk Drive, 750GB, 7200rpm, 32768KB Cache, SATA-2 (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=359823)
Total cost = $1,883.58 inc gst ex S&H


Ok so now that I've got it all picked out i would like to know that these parts will definitely work together, I'm about %90 sure they will but would like some re-assurance from someone else stating that they're cause i don't want to buy something that wont work with the motherboard etc.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 04:34 PM
Only problem i can see is the Ram (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=370825) & Motherboard (http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=3653). Since the RAM is low profile (which means it's smaller than regular RAM?) it might not fit with my Motherboard?

And if isn't compitable then i would have to use this (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=369341) i guess

Also would this HDD (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=359823) be any better than this HDD (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=361483)? or is it just the brand/warranty that makes the 2nd one a lower cost?

stormdragon
27-10-2008, 04:52 PM
Stick with the Seagate HDD they have a good reputation.

That RAM and Motherboard should work together withoot a problem. (low profile simply means the physical height of the modules is less then usual.


You might want to look at purchasing all the components from one or two reputable dealers rather then whoever is cheapest across the country.
Imo extremepc isn't the best when it comes to customer service.

If you email some of the dealers they may give you a discount if you buy multiple components from them.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Well i did a bit of research into the subject and found out what i would be paying for my computer + GST.

The computer consists of...

Mobo: Asus P5Q Intel Pro P45
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500
GFX: Asus ATI Radeon HD 4870
RAM: Corsair 2x2GB DDR2-1066 CL5? i don't get all the technical terms with RAM :\
PSU: Corsair 750W
Case: NZXT Tempest Enthusiast
HDD: 750GB Seagate SATA II

and this is what it came to for each site:

Globespec (http://www.Globespec.co.nz/) = $1,913 with casing from XPComputers (http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=3619)
XPComputers (http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/) = $1,936 with HDD from PCOnlineShop (http://pconlineshop.co.nz/pcshop/product_info.php?cPath=10_30&products_id=276599&RBTid=2deb2ab6807e9a497f024db7581c4f2b)
Ascent (http://ascent.co.nz/) = $2,056 (FREE SHIPPING)
UrComputer (http://urcomputer.co.nz/) = Limited range for what i want.
PCOnlineShop (http://pconlineshop.co.nz/) = $1,935 with Casing from XPComputers (http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=3619)

So i guess my best bet would be to go with Ascent? considering they have everthing i want and free shipping.

Blam
27-10-2008, 06:47 PM
Yes-ascent would be the best.
You get 2% discount too if you use their PC Builder to select your parts

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 07:19 PM
Yes-ascent would be the best.
You get 2% discount too if you use their PC Builder to select your parts

Didn't even realise it was there. Thanks for pointing it out :p

pctek
27-10-2008, 07:39 PM
XPComputers
pconlineshop
UrComputer

So i guess my best bet would be to go with Ascent?

No
No
No

Yes. Go with Ascent. Or someone else with a good reputation.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 08:05 PM
Well i've decided to go with Ascent since it's a well trusted site but before i do could someone check that all my parts will be compatible with each other? I know the Case/Motherboard have to both be ATX and that if i want DDR2-1066 RAM the Motherboard Memory system has to support DDR2 but that's all i know really :waughh: And does E-ATX mean that ATX motherboards would be able to fit into a E-ATX case? cause i'm not too sure about the "E-" :lol:

So here's the links to the components i will be getting.

Case (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943)
Motherboard (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=365815)
CPU (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=9361864)
GFX (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=366860)
RAM (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=369341)
PSU (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=361829)
HDD (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=359823)
DVD Drive (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=364074)
Total Cost = $2,092.91 inc GST

Speedy Gonzales
27-10-2008, 08:07 PM
XP Computers are OK.

Got a mobo in 2006 and a webcam last year

So far so good with both of them

Thebananamonkey
27-10-2008, 09:47 PM
So much for the $1200-$1500 then?

Lol, always the way.

E-ATX means extended ATX, don't worry about that. If a case supports E-ATX, it would be REALLY unusual for it not to support ATX too.

Jared White5
27-10-2008, 10:35 PM
So much for the $1200-$1500 then?

Lol, always the way.

E-ATX means extended ATX, don't worry about that. If a case supports E-ATX, it would be REALLY unusual for it not to support ATX too.

Ah thanks :D

And yeah, decided i might as well spend a bit more on it to get a average quality gaming PC. Not a great one but not too bad at the same time :p

Jared White5
28-10-2008, 12:02 PM
Could someone check if they are all compatable with each other? i'm pretty sure they are but would be good if someone could reassure me.



So here's the links to the components i will be getting.

Case (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=363943)
Motherboard (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=365815)
CPU (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=9361864)
GFX (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=366860)
RAM (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=369341)
PSU (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=361829)
HDD (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=359823)
DVD Drive (http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=364074)
Total Cost = $2,092.91 inc GST

SolMiester
28-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Still unsure on what Memory i want for my graphics card. Should i go for the 512mb about $90-$140 cheaper or go for the 1GB memory? I intend to upgrade my current monitor to a 22" LCD with 1680x1050 and from what i gather the more memory your graphic card has the more frames per second you get on higher resolution monitors is this true? and if so would i really need 1GB memory for 1680x1050 resolution?

Motherboard: Asus P5N-D Motherboard ~ 250
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo processor E6850 E8500 ~300
GPU: Hightech ATI HD4870 512mb ~450 or 1GB? ~580
RAM: XMS2 DDR2 4GB(2x2GB) PC2-8500 Dual Channel ~200
PSU: Corsair 650W TX Series ~250
Case: Antec 900 ~ 200
HDD: Don't have a clue on HDD's is there a certain format that you have to have for your motherboard or what?

Total w/ 4870 512mb ex HDD: $1,650
Total w/ 4870 1GB ex HDD: $1,780

I would only worry about the 1GB card if I was running 1920x1080 or 24"+ LCD

SolMiester
28-10-2008, 12:18 PM
Could someone check if they are all compatable with each other? i'm pretty sure they are but would be good if someone could reassure me.

I can save you some money on the PSU, if you want to settle for a brand new Silverstone 650W olympia.....$140+PP...54amp single rail.....CD certifiied, 2 x 6 and 1 x 8 pin GPU connectors....

Yeah, still trying to flog the thing off!!

Jared White5
28-10-2008, 12:22 PM
I can save you some money on the PSU, if you want to settle for a brand new Silverstone 650W olympia.....$140+PP...54amp single rail.....CD certifiied, 2 x 6 and 1 x 8 pin GPU connectors....

Yeah, still trying to flog the thing off!!

Changed to a 750W, but thanks for the offer :)

Q man
28-10-2008, 12:39 PM
System looks pretty good so far, very simular to the beast Im building at the mo

Are you building it yourself?

Jared White5
28-10-2008, 02:23 PM
System looks pretty good so far, very simular to the beast Im building at the mo

Are you building it yourself?

Yes, but will most probably have the help of a freind that is rather good with computer building :)

SolMiester
28-10-2008, 02:51 PM
Could of done better with the case IMO

Q man
28-10-2008, 02:57 PM
Sadly I would agree IMO

Thermaltake armor 8000 Series medium tower 180+gst

Looks great, good airflow for your 4870 and pretty good price

Jared White5
28-10-2008, 05:31 PM
Sadly I would agree IMO

Thermaltake armor 8000 Series medium tower 180+gst

Looks great, good airflow for your 4870 and pretty good price

Couldn't find one on Ascent :( so changed the case to a Themaltake Armor+ MX (http://ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=367117)

gary67
28-10-2008, 06:37 PM
If you get stuck Jared i'm in Nelson and have built a few now and I'm always available to help people

Q man
28-10-2008, 07:12 PM
It is a nice case but its only "MY OPINION"

There are plenty of other great cases out there, just read some reviews.

Important things are airflow, room for what you want to put in there and strong build quality.

Thebananamonkey
28-10-2008, 09:39 PM
It is a nice case but its only "MY OPINION"

There are plenty of other great cases out there, just read some reviews.

Important things are airflow, room for what you want to put in there and strong build quality.

Or cheap... depending on who you talk to.

I went for all the bells and whistles with mine, and frankly I should have just saved myself the money. I hardly ever have to go in there, and I'm not OC'd to the point where case temp is ever much of a consideration.

Are you going to OC? The Antec 900 is supposed to be very good. A bit expensive, but good. The Antec 300 would be OK too. The Cooler Master CM 690 looks the job, and has plenty of fans too. Go to the ascent site, and use the tool on the right to cut down the choices a bit. I made it 4-8 fans, turned on gallery view, and ordered by price. Save yourself some money, and have a look what you like. Lots of case stuff is just looks.

Jared White5
28-10-2008, 10:15 PM
Or cheap... depending on who you talk to.

I went for all the bells and whistles with mine, and frankly I should have just saved myself the money. I hardly ever have to go in there, and I'm not OC'd to the point where case temp is ever much of a consideration.

Are you going to OC? The Antec 900 is supposed to be very good. A bit expensive, but good. The Antec 300 would be OK too. The Cooler Master CM 690 looks the job, and has plenty of fans too. Go to the ascent site, and use the tool on the right to cut down the choices a bit. I made it 4-8 fans, turned on gallery view, and ordered by price. Save yourself some money, and have a look what you like. Lots of case stuff is just looks.

I'm not going to OC mainly because i don't know how and don't really want to ruin anything just trying to do it.

I'm thinking i will go with the NZXT Tempest as well. Just because its got good reviews, i like the look of it, an alright price & has ample amount of fans to keep everything cool.

Jared White5
29-10-2008, 09:57 AM
If you get stuck Jared i'm in Nelson and have built a few now and I'm always available to help people

Yep, will be sure to get into contact with you if i get into any trouble :D

gary67
29-10-2008, 08:12 PM
No worries

supersi
30-10-2008, 05:32 PM
Theirs a Corsair PSU that comes with a modular cord system (sorry, not sure which model). This means you only need to populate your case with the power cords you need rather than having redundant cords clutter your case and reduce airflow. It costs about $20.00 more than the fixed cord option. I wish I had have spent the extra $20.00 and bought the modular Corsair PSU.

Trev
30-10-2008, 07:46 PM
This is what you want.
http://users.actrix.co.nz/trevw//Picture%20001.JPG
http://users.actrix.co.nz/trevw//Picture%20002.JPG
http://users.actrix.co.nz/trevw//Picture%20003.JPG
http://users.actrix.co.nz/trevw//Picture%20004.JPG
Case is a Thermaltake Soprano DX.
My custom computer put together by Ascent. Specs in sig.
Runs FSX very well.
:)

pctek
31-10-2008, 10:07 AM
Runs FSX very well.
:)

Does it? Using FSX SP1 or SP2? And what frame rates?

Trev
31-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Does it? Using FSX SP1 or SP2? And what frame rates?
Have the Acceleration Expansion Pack. Have frame rate locked at 25fps. Runs very smooth.
Big airports like LA she down to about 9fps. Even JJJJJ struggles there.
:)

SolMiester
31-10-2008, 11:12 AM
More poorly coded software from MS

pctek
31-10-2008, 12:58 PM
More poorly coded software from MS

Yep. friend was doing a whinge about it to me earlier. Thats exactly what he said too.

Trev
31-10-2008, 03:08 PM
Thats alot of bull****. Show me the facts of this evaluation.
:)

Thebananamonkey
31-10-2008, 03:13 PM
Thats alot of bull****. Show me the facts of this evaluation.
:)

No current game should run at 9fps on JJJJJ's rig.

And if it does, that's just bad coding.

If it makes you feel better, crysis is almost as bad.

SolMiester
31-10-2008, 03:13 PM
Thats alot of bull****. Show me the facts of this evaluation.
:)

Are you serious?....Quite easy, show me 1 other graphical program that crawls while having 4 cores 4Gb RAM and blistering fast GPU's.....

It crawls because the texture coding is poorly written..!

Jared White5
31-10-2008, 04:40 PM
Does the P5Q Pro (http://ascent.co.nz/ProductSpec.aspx?itemID=365815) support X16/X16 or is it X8/X8 with two graphic cards? because I've watched a few videos and they said it was X8/X8? and if it doesn't could you maybe suggest a mobo that does and that supports ATX, DDR2-1066, Crossfire, Socket 775 & SATA Drives. (i wish to upgrade to two graphics cards later on)

Also does the SLI ready in this PSU (http://ascent.co.nz/ProductSpec.aspx?itemID=361829) mean it will only work with nVidia cards and not ATI? i truly don't know much about PSU's

I also decided to go with the Core 2 Quad Q6600 (http://www.ascent.co.nzhttp://ascent.co.nz/ProductSpec.aspx?itemID=365815) because it is only $10 more than the Core 2 Quad E8500 and imo will future proof to a degree.

Thebananamonkey
31-10-2008, 04:53 PM
Does the P5Q Pro (http://ascent.co.nz/ProductSpec.aspx?itemID=365815) support X16/X16 or is it X8/X8 with two graphic cards? because I've watched a few videos and they said it was X8/X8? and if it doesn't could you maybe suggest a mobo that does and that supports ATX, DDR2-1066, Crossfire, Socket 775 & SATA Drives. (i wish to upgrade to two graphics cards later on)

Also does the SLI ready in this PSU (http://ascent.co.nz/ProductSpec.aspx?itemID=361829) mean it will only work with nVidia cards and not ATI? i truly don't know much about PSU's

I also decided to go with the Core 2 Quad Q6600 (http://www.ascent.co.nzhttp://ascent.co.nz/ProductSpec.aspx?itemID=365815) because it is only $10 more than the Core 2 Quad E8500 and imo will future proof to a degree.

Trust me, you won't notive very much change from a 8x 8x MoBo to a 16x 16x. The P5Q that you have is fine, probably more than you need, so be happy with it.

SLI on a PSU is just branding. It means that it has connectors enough to support two graphics cards. They're not intelligent enough to figure out what hardware you're running.

You sound like you know what you're doing really. You just need to be confident and go out and buy your bits. I was the same way. P5Q, Q6600, and 4850 (or whatever you're going with) will be fine. 1066 RAM doesn't make much difference, I bought some and think it was probably a waste of money. Regardless, your MoBo will support that too.

Trev
31-10-2008, 05:01 PM
Are you serious?....Quite easy, show me 1 other graphical program that crawls while having 4 cores 4Gb RAM and blistering fast GPU's.....

It crawls because the texture coding is poorly written..!

Have a search through Phil Taylors blog as he was one of the programers for FSX and if I remember correctly someone asked the same question.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/default.aspx
:)

Jared White5
31-10-2008, 05:04 PM
Trust me, you won't notice very much change from a 8x 8x MoBo to a 16x 16x. The P5Q that you have is fine, probably more than you need, so be happy with it.

SLI on a PSU is just branding. It means that it has connectors enough to support two graphics cards. They're not intelligent enough to figure out what hardware you're running.

You sound like you know what you're doing really. You just need to be confident and go out and buy your bits. I was the same way. P5Q, Q6600, and 4850 (or whatever you're going with) will be fine. 1066 RAM doesn't make much difference, I bought some and think it was probably a waste of money. Regardless, your MoBo will support that too.

I know a little bit, just through research but as you said I'm a bit unconfident since it is my first build and just want to know that everything will work fine/good when i decide to build it.

Thanks for the info on the PSU as well :)

Thebananamonkey
31-10-2008, 05:12 PM
You'll be fine.

The one thing nobody told me was that you've got to make your own thread in case fans... that took me a while to figure out.

SolMiester
31-10-2008, 08:56 PM
Have a search through Phil Taylors blog as he was one of the programers for FSX and if I remember correctly someone asked the same question.
http://blogs.msdn.com/ptaylor/default.aspx
:)

What are you pointing me too?....am I searching for something?

Silver_Blade
31-10-2008, 09:17 PM
wait get a 4870 sonic dual edition well 2 of them as you can overclock them just by flipping a switch on rear and the 4870 only just behing the GTX280 by 2-5FPS!!!! :O

Thebananamonkey
31-10-2008, 09:43 PM
wait get a 4870 sonic dual edition well 2 of them as you can overclock them just by flipping a switch on rear and the 4870 only just behing the GTX280 by 2-5FPS!!!! :O

No.

Get an oil submerged custom cooled rig.

No.

Commission Intel to bring out a special edition of the new 7i chips, and an enthusiast board custom designed just for you. And then Oil submerge it.

And then put 3x 280GTX in SLI, OC'd.

And then get a 15" CRT to play it on.