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Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 08:32 PM
Hi im looking to build a computer manily for gaming and have a budget of around $1,000. Just wondering how much i should spend on the different components of the computer like graphics card say $250 or something. Im also trying to pick out parts that are best value for money, that preform while at a low cost. the 1,000 wont include the moniter, speaksers, keyboard, mouse and probaly not the case just the interior hardware.

CPU:
Hard Drive:
RAM:
Graphics Card:
Mother Board:
Sound Card:
Network card:

Do i need a sound card and network card?
And will i be able to play most games on max settings?
I want to be able to upgrade some parts in the furture by selling my parts i want to upgrade, so it doesnt cost as much. Just want to be able to upgrade it if i need to.

jwil1
07-10-2008, 08:38 PM
If you've only got a $1000 budget, you won't get a gaming machine :)

Save up at least another $500 and you'll get much a much better PC.

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 08:39 PM
You dont need the sound or LAN theyre onboard

Just the hdd, dvd/burner, videocard (if you dont want it onboard), CPU and ram.

It depends on what kind of system you want (Intel or AMD). I wont bore you with what maybe better (there's a few posts here saying ones better than the other).

I would say most people would say get an ASUS mobo. As theyre pretty reliable. All you have to decide, is whether you want Intel or AMD, and how fast you want the CPU, and how much ram, and how big you want the hdd

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 08:48 PM
I would like a Intel computer, i would think a pretty fast CPU would be good for gaming and probally only 2gb or ram max for now. I could add more later if needed. And for the hdd I saw on price spy a 250gb was $71 and a 200gb one was lowest at $77 so ill probally get a 250gb one. More then enough. And only $7 more for a 300Gb

I guess u pick your motherboard last to fit around all your hardware. I remember some one saying the 9600 graphic cards where pretty good money for proformance, which are only around $150-$196 for all the different kinds.

I just dont really know how much to spend on a cpu if i want a computer that can run multipy programs and play intense games. I dont wanna spend over the top cause I want to sell and rebuy if i need to.

Thanks.

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 08:52 PM
Are you in NZ or somewhere else B&B??

If you are, what part of NZ??

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 09:06 PM
New Zealand Auckland, Whys this?

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 09:11 PM
Nah just wondering, if you were overseas, the prices would have been different

You could check out Pricespy (http://www.pricespy.co.nz)

Type in what youre after and check out the prices

Heres a few 775 pin mobos (http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/pinpai.asp?pinpai=47)

This is in Newmarket

You just have to figure out what brand you want

Or if you could save another 500 you could get this (http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=4249)

You would have to get a 64 bit OS tho, if you wanted to use all of the 8GB

Myth
07-10-2008, 09:16 PM
...I guess u pick your motherboard last to fit around all your hardware. ....Uh wrong...
Your motherboard is THE most important part as it defines what size your case should be (minimum), what CPU fits with it, what what OC'ing you can do, amount of cards etc that you can use to upgrade at later dates etc.

Decide exactly what you want first, buy the motherboard to suit, and then buy the rest around it (at least thats what I do)

Just as an example... I upgraded (from P4 to AMD x2) this computer over 6 months ago.. cost me $500. I knew that I didnt have the funds for a graphics card, wanted SATA capable, and was looking at an AMD x2 CPU. So I looked for and bought a motherboard with integrated graphics, with options to upgrade to PCi-E 16x later, and it supports everything else I wanted.
This is just an example though

In your list, you forgot about the PSU too... if you upgrade from a low spec machine to something a lot higher, you MAY also need to upgrade your PSU (don't skimp on this either, Hyena and various other brands will cost you more if they blow out)

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 09:29 PM
Thanks but i have no idea what to look for in a Mobo and Ram all i know is DDR3 is the best ram right? And what does Pin mean in Ram.

And how is a
512MB DDR2-533 PC4200 SDRAM $16.81 with DDR2 cheaper than
512MB PC3200 DDR400 SDRAM $25.95

I thought DDR2 was beater then normal DDR ram yet its alot cheaper.

For the CPU i get how 2.4GHz is better than 2.2GHz but then how does

Intel Core 2 Duo E6420, 2.13GHz, LGA775 $252 beat a
Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 2.4GHz at only $161 when it has around .3 GHz less. I also dont get what LGA775 means.

The only thing i can look for is if some thing is more in price then something else then its therefore beater.

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 09:40 PM
More recent mobos use DDR2 or 3. Some may use DDR.

BUT the amount of pins are different (184 on DDR and 240 on DDR2 and probably 3).

So, you cant use DDR on a mobo that uses DDR2 or 3, or vice-versa

775 pin is the amount of pins on the CPU and the mobo

As shown here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA775)

DDR is getting obsolete now, so is probably harder to find. Which is probably why its dearer than DDR 2 or 3

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 09:42 PM
I see. So is this the order from best to worst ram DDR3 DDR2 DDR?

And im guessing that 1gb DDR3 is maby better then 512mb DDR2 or am i wrong or is it just 1gb DDR3 is better than 1gb DDR2 ram

But then why is DDR3 cheaper then DDR2 ram?

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 09:50 PM
Well none of them are better than the others. One maybe faster than the other

I suppose it depends on what brand of ram, you get as well. Some maybe better than others for things like overclocking

I'm using DDR2 here. It works fine.

It really depends on WHAT mobo you get, on what ram you have to buy for it

If you want one for gaming, I would get (depending on how many ram slots the mobo has) the maximum amount of ram it can take. Instead of 512mb sticks

And depending on what version of Windows youre using, you can only install 4GB (for 32 bit versions), or more (if the mobo supports it, for 64 bit)

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 10:01 PM
So i need to decide if i should get a Mobo that can hold 1gb per slot or 2gb per slot. A mobo that could hold 4gb per slot would cost to much for my budget? Or would a mobo surporting DDR3 Ram cost again to much for my budget or would it be good so i wouldnt have to upgrade my mobo any time soon.

If so i could either get

1GB DDR3 SDRAM $41.00 OR
2GB DDR3 SDRAM $93.16

Or
1GB DDR2-667 PC5300 SDRAM $22.00 240pin
2GB DDR2-800 PC2-6400 SDRAM 332 prices $43.73 240pin


And since im new to these forums, just wanan know how i can edit my first post, theres no edit icon.

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 10:10 PM
You cant edit anything after 15 mins I think.

Unless you send a PM to a moderator

First you'll have to figure out what moboo you want.

As the ram (DDR3), may not work on the mobo youre going to get

Do those prices inc GST??

You can buy 1 GB ram for about $40-50 and 2 GB for $70-80 or less, this may depend on WHERE you get it and what the brand of the ram is

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 10:13 PM
yes the prices inc GST

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 10:18 PM
Im looking at the mobos on price spy but i have no idea how to tell the difference between one another besides from the brand and price, or what to look for in picking what i need

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 10:20 PM
Click on the links so it takes you to the store / shop. So you can see whats on it, what it takes. And if its suitable

Thebananamonkey
07-10-2008, 10:22 PM
A suggestion (just my opinion)

CPU: E8400: ~$250

Mobo: an Asus of some flavour ~$250
Make sure to get a socket 775 if you go Intel, or just check your chipset with your CPU. Don't want to get an AMD mobo for an Intel chip or vice versa. Also, don't go for DDR3 is my suggestion. Just plain old DDR2 is good enough. I've got a P5K-E Wifi and it does me fine. Would work for you too.

RAM: 2GB Kingston DDR2 ~$80

HDD: 500GB Seagate ~$100

GPU: ATI 4850 ~$250

Then get a good PSU, probably 500W will do, but it's always OK to be safe. Probably around $100.

So that's $1030, with fairly reliable, but maybe a bit on the low side figures. Will play games pretty well, and will be easily upgradable. If you wanted to spend some more, you could get a kick ass comp by adding a second 4850 and maybe getting a terabyte drive to round it up to about $1400. Would probably want a slightly better PSU for that though.

IMO, don't spend too much on the case, I regret spending so much on mine. Often an $80 one will do just as well as a $500... it's just if you're into massive overclocking, are super keen on looks, or if you get inside your comp heaps that an expensive one does well. I'm none of those, so I've just got an expensive behemoth.

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 10:28 PM
what price range for a mobo do u recommened me looking for?

But woundt it be better choosing my ram Cpu and graphics card first and then finding a mobo that surports them? because if u choose the mobo first then the rest of the stuff might not work with it.

Ive been looking and about 5 mobo at around $350 dont even surport DDR3 ram, is it true that u need a really expensive mobo to surport DDR3 ram. So guess i wont be DDR3 ram then

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 10:41 PM
I would decide what mobo to get first.

Then read WHAT kind of ram it supports, and WHAT the slots are on it (ie: PCI-Express etc).

Then you'll know what kind of ram / videocard / hdd to get

Most mobos supports DDR2 (DDR3 will probably be dearer).

And you cant spend too much on $1000

The main thing to remember, is to get a LGA 775 mobo and a LGA 775 pin CPU (obviously).

As these 2 are the guts of a system. Without either of these, you have nothing

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 10:45 PM
so DDR3 ram is out of the pitcure

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 10:47 PM
Well up to you if you can find a mobo that supports it.

But like I said it may cost more than DDR2. And there' s nothing wrong with using DDR2

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 10:55 PM
how do i understand some thing like this though http://pconlineshop.co.nz/pcshop/product_info.php?products_id=274838 lol

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 10:58 PM
Go to the link it gives you on the bottom (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=2839)

It'll explain it a bit better

Its shows a pic of it, whats on it, what it can take etc

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 11:02 PM
K thanks for your help. Ill look at some mobos tomorrow and post back if im stuck. Thanks

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 11:04 PM
No probs

I see that supports up to 16 GB. Only thing is if you want that much ram, you'll need a 64 bit operating system, and 4 GB sticks will probably be costly

Blackandblue
07-10-2008, 11:10 PM
What would the max ram i would need. Its for gaming (probally latest games) and running a few programms in the back ground like msn for example.

I may also get vista

Speedy Gonzales
07-10-2008, 11:16 PM
With a 32 bit system you can only get 4 GB. You could get 2x2 GB sticks.

(Well Windows will probably only see 3.25 - 3.5 GB of ram)

Which should be plenty. I'm using 4 GB here at the mo. BUT have stuff all games lol

pctek
08-10-2008, 08:24 AM
Builds by Price:

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/302905/?

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 09:03 AM
So far i have

CPU:
Hard Drive: Seagate 250GB Serial ATA HDD $71.96
RAM:2GB DDR2-800 PC2-6400 SDRAM 240Pin $43.67
Graphics Card:
Mother Board:Abit IP35 ,Intel P35 ATX motherboard $133.45
PSU:

Mobo recommened at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/302905/?s= Its cheap but is it good? The review says it misses a few function also from http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127030 i see that if i want to use the 9 series graphics card i cant, and i was planing on to.

Thebananamonkey
08-10-2008, 09:20 AM
I wouldn't go with any of that if I were you. Especially not the MoBo.

I strongly suggest you go for an Asus, and probably around the $250 mark is good. You could go a little cheaper, but wouldn't suggest much less than $200, as it's the guts of your system.

Don't worry about DDR3 RAM, it may be better than DDR2, but it's not better enough to justify the extra cost, especially at your price range. Think about it if you decide to shove another $2000 or so.

You'll fill 250GB up really quickly. I have 1000GB, and I'm 70% full as it is, and I haven't tried very hard. I suggest a Seagate 500GB minimum, which also sits around the best value for money in terms of $/GB

At your price range you want an ATI 4850. Pretty much no questions asked.

As for CPU, I suggest an Intel Dual or Quad core. I have a Q6600, which is also really good value for performance. It would push you closer to your $1000 but is probably worth it. Otherwise a dual core like the E8400 is good.

I'd also go with Kingston RAM if I were you. Or Corsair if you want.

The parts above aren't as cheap as your selection, but they're quality. Also, you might find that it all comes in within your price range. The RAM can go if you want, but I strongly suggest Asus' and the 4850.

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 09:23 AM
Also What Watt PSU would i need and have i get a PSU/Case combo?

That would leave me with around $700 to spend on a CPU and a graphics card. Maby less if i need to change my Mobo. Thanks

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 09:30 AM
the ATI 4850 512 for $252 or ATI 4850 1gb for $338? How do u determine if i should get a Geforce one vs a ATI Radeon HD one.

I saw this 1 Asustek P5Q-E Intel P45 ATX DDR2 http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=10137 for $270 or
Asustek P5E-V-HDMI IntelIG35 ATX
http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=7895 for $272

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 09:46 AM
It doesnt allow me to edit... and i still cant edit my first post. Any one no why?

The only thing i really know what to look for is with kind of CPU it surports the RAM type and how many each slot can take of RAM. I got pretty much no idea apart from that as to what im looking at.

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 09:52 AM
A suggestion (just my opinion)

CPU: E8400: ~$250

Mobo: an Asus of some flavour ~$250
Make sure to get a socket 775 if you go Intel, or just check your chipset with your CPU. Don't want to get an AMD mobo for an Intel chip or vice versa. Also, don't go for DDR3 is my suggestion. Just plain old DDR2 is good enough. I've got a P5K-E Wifi and it does me fine. Would work for you too.

RAM: 2GB Kingston DDR2 ~$80

HDD: 500GB Seagate ~$100

GPU: ATI 4850 ~$250

Then get a good PSU, probably 500W will do, but it's always OK to be safe. Probably around $100.

So that's $1030, with fairly reliable, but maybe a bit on the low side figures. Will play games pretty well, and will be easily upgradable. If you wanted to spend some more, you could get a kick ass comp by adding a second 4850 and maybe getting a terabyte drive to round it up to about $1400. Would probably want a slightly better PSU for that though.




+1

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 09:54 AM
the ATI 4850 512 for $252 or ATI 4850 1gb for $338? How do u determine if i should get a Geforce one vs a ATI Radeon HD one.

I saw this 1 Asustek P5Q-E Intel P45 ATX DDR2 http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=10137 for $270 or
Asustek P5E-V-HDMI IntelIG35 ATX
http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=7895 for $272

What type and size is your monitor?, you wont need a 4870 if your resolution is 1650x 1050 or less

pctek
08-10-2008, 09:56 AM
Mother Board:Abit IP35 ,Intel P35 ATX motherboard $133.45

Mobo recommened at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/302905/?s=

The Gameplanet thing is a guide.
Get ASUS or Gigabyte.

Gredinus
08-10-2008, 10:01 AM
Hey should I buy http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=4249 or http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Desktops/No-monitor/auction-180740679.htm .

Or should I just build my own PC?

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 10:03 AM
was looking to get a new moniter probaly at 1650x1050. Where did u get the 4870 from though? http://www.pricespy.co.nz/cat_16.html

But how do u choose between a geforce and a ATI Radeon HD one? Whats the difference? I dont know much about computer hardware.

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 10:06 AM
Hey should I buy http://www.xpcomputers.co.nz/views.asp?hw_id=4249 or http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Desktops/No-monitor/auction-180740679.htm .

Or should I just build my own PC?


I thought it was always cheaper if u buy the parts at lowest price possible and built it your self. But im not sure.

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 10:14 AM
The Gameplanet thing is a guide.
Get ASUS or Gigabyte.

Actually, the Abit IP35 is a good board for the price. Asus and Gigabyte are not the be all and end all.....

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 10:17 AM
So far i have

CPU:
Hard Drive: Seagate 250GB Serial ATA HDD $71.96
RAM:2GB DDR2-800 PC2-6400 SDRAM 240Pin $43.67
Graphics Card:
Mother Board:Abit IP35 ,Intel P35 ATX motherboard $133.45
PSU:

Mobo recommened at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/302905/?s= Its cheap but is it good? The review says it misses a few function also from http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127030 i see that if i want to use the 9 series graphics card i cant, and i was planing on to.

???, see my sig, I have that board with the 9600GT....

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 10:29 AM
So do u recommend me getting

Asustek P5Q-E Intel P45 ATX DDR2 http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=10137 for $270 or
Asustek P5E-V-HDMI IntelIG35 ATX
http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=7895 for $272

or another one altogether or a gigabye one. Am i paying to much or to less? Is it recommened to get a pretty good motherboard if im going to upgrade parts later on. So when i upgrade i wont have to upgrade my motherbaord as well.

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 10:59 AM
The P5e-v-hdmi has onboard video that you will not require. the P5Q-e is fine, but is P45 chipset, the updated P35, so it is naturally more expensive for really no noticeable gain. If you want a CF board (ie: 2 PCI-e graphic slots), just get a cheaper P35 version.

The Abit board IP35 Pro is a great board and not as expensive as ASUS, it also has solid capacitors and appropriate chipset cooling.....

Gigabyte are fine board thought they did have issues with DPC latency. I have gone off them somewhat and I dont like the multi coloured slots everywhere but thats just cosmetic.

Asus, are just expensive!

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 11:07 AM
Thanks. If i go for the Abit board IP35 Pro will it be furture proof. Or would paying more be a better option for me. Because i dont want to have to upgrade every componenet in the computer when i need to. And you say it can surport all 9 series graphics cards?

Thebannamonkey


"I strongly suggest you go for an Asus, and probably around the $250 mark is good. You could go a little cheaper, but wouldn't suggest much less than $200, as it's the guts of your system."

Thebananamonkey
08-10-2008, 11:12 AM
Hey dude, I wouldn't worry so much as you do.

If you like the look of them, get them. We're here to help, but you've got to make your own decisions at the end of the day.

The P5Q looks good, but any Asus or Gigabyte MoBos are typically good. You just have to figure out what you want, and what you want to use it for. Are you thinking of overclocking? You can move away from those two companies once you start knowing a bit more about hardware, but I'd be ere on the side of caution until then. Some other companies do make good mobos, but they're not as consistently trustable.

I suggest looking for parts at ascent.co.nz even if you don't buy them there. They have a really good site, with an awesome search engine, so you can find any type of product you want. Once you've decided on a list of parts you're happy with, post it here and we'll help. But go out and research all of this stuff yourself. It's half the fun of building your own.

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 11:28 AM
Thanks. If i go for the Abit board IP35 Pro will it be furture proof. Or would paying more be a better option for me. Because i dont want to have to upgrade every componenet in the computer when i need to. And you say it can surport all 9 series graphics cards?

Thebannamonkey


"I strongly suggest you go for an Asus, and probably around the $250 mark is good. You could go a little cheaper, but wouldn't suggest much less than $200, as it's the guts of your system."

The IP35 chipsets will accept all processors up to the current ones. The next Intel CPU is i7, which is a new chipset, so no motherboard out there is future proof.

I see no point in spending money on X38\X48 or P45 chipsets that have little or no benefit over the P35.

You state you are looking for 22" LCd next, will that to me means you wont need a CF or SLI board, which are a premium over the standard version of the motherboard, as in Abit IP35 series,
Basic = IP35-E (1 PCI-e slot,basic chipset cooling, only 4 SATA ports
Std= IP35 (1 PCI-e slot, heatpipe cooling, 6 SATA)
Adv = Pro (2 PCI-e for CF, heatpipe cooling, 6 SATA and CMOS button for OC's)

dugimodo
08-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Here's my take from 20+ years of building my own gaming machines on a budget - sure to get me flamed :)

I'd actually disagree with spending $250 on a motherboard when you have a limited budget - the performance & feature difference over a cheaper one you'll almost certainly never notice.

something like http://www.pp.co.nz/products.php?pp_id=AA06296 for instance would be perfectly fine. You could even go for a microATX G33 or G35 based board at $80 - $130 dollars and it would do the job. Yes the more expensive boards are nicer, but realistically the average user wouldn't know the difference. Buy a good brand with a good warranty and don't worry too much about it.

Buying quality RAM is a good Idea - I personally like corsair and the valueselect range is still cheap enough on a budget, 2G is the target for gaming. 3 or more for a few games such as crysis.

for Graphics cards I'd suggest one of these on your budget ( fastest at top ):

ATI HD4850 or 9800GTX+ ( approx same performance )
9800GT or 8800GT 512 ( basically the same card - the 9 series has added pure video support for HD video acceleration )
9600GT

for CPU pick an Intel core 2 duo or quad core with the highest clock speed you can manage on your budget - simple ( E8200 or 8400 is a good place to start but E5200 is a cheap option that will be ok too ). AMD is ok too - but even the 6000+ struggles to beat a 2.5G core 2 duo in games benchmarks and is a big power hungry heat producing beast of a thing.

The places to focus your money on for gaming performance is CPU / GPU then RAM, then MB last in my opinion, High quaity gaming motherboards with High end features are for those without budget considerations to worry about, SLI for example is more trouble than it's worth for most of us - sure if you can afford 2 high end graphics cards and a full HD monitor it's awesome - but that doesn't happen for $1000

as far as hard drives go - if it's purely a gaming machine you can probably manage with a smallish drive but given that many new games exceed 2G hdd space each and some well over 4 I'd suggest a 320G or preferably 500G one. A personal preference is to make a smallish OS partiton ( 40 G for me ) to install windows on - much easier to back up than a single 500G partiton :)

lastly don't forget the operating system - if you have to buy windows for this machine it adds about $160 to the budget for an OEM copy

:2cents:

Thebananamonkey
08-10-2008, 01:08 PM
Agree mostly with Dugimodo.

The only reason I'd go for a better MoBo is that it's probably easier to upgrade in the future. But if you're just looking for a budget gaming comp now, and not looking to expand much then he's probably got a point.

You could make a LAN box, with an mATX, and a small case. Would be cheap, and portable too!

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 01:51 PM
Thank for the help. Just got a question about games though. Will a Top end graphics card and a mid graphics card produce the same apperance of a game such as age of empires 3 if the settings where all put on high and could all handle it, but would the only differnce be that the top end one would give you more fps say 100 compared to the mid graphics card of say 65.

So im jsut asking does the only advantage to get a more expensive graphics card is so it can handle the game better and be more smooth compared to a cheap one. But the graphics or look of the game if both set to max settings or low settings or the same settings would look the same on screen.

And as you suggested i get a ATI HD4850 or 9800GTX+ ( approx same performance )
is it just a matter of choosing what company i want to go with?

Thanks

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 01:59 PM
Would u say this Mobo would be good?
Asustek P5Q Pro Intel P45 ATX $208.11

http://www.nzoczone.com/product_info.php?products_id=7462

I got recommened it compared to what i had which was a

Asustek P5E-V-HDMI IntelIG35 ATX $272.25

http://www.einfo.co.nz/shop/product_info.php?products_id=7895

SolMiester told me a bit "The P5e-v-hdmi has onboard video that you will not require. the P5Q-e is fine, but is P45 chipset, the updated P35, so it is naturally more expensive for really no noticeable gain. If you want a CF board (ie: 2 PCI-e graphic slots), just get a cheaper P35 version."


Maby you could tell me the differences of mobos for me as they are the hardest things to understand for me with all the technical words.

Thanks

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 02:03 PM
Thank for the help. Just got a question about games though. Will a Top end graphics card and a mid graphics card produce the same apperance of a game such as age of empires 3 if the settings where all put on high and could all handle it, but would the only differnce be that the top end one would give you more fps say 100 compared to the mid graphics card of say 65.

So im jsut asking does the only advantage to get a more expensive graphics card is so it can handle the game better and be more smooth compared to a cheap one. But the graphics or look of the game if both set to max settings or low settings or the same settings would look the same on screen.

And as you suggested i get a ATI HD4850 or 9800GTX+ ( approx same performance )
is it just a matter of choosing what company i want to go with?

Thanks

Basically, the high end card are for big big monitors, a med and high are both capable of displaying the same eye candy, the high end will do it quicker, however and low resolutions you would probably be bottlenecked by the CPU.

So, 4850 would be a great card for 22" LCD and smaller.

NV have better OEM partners and cooling solutions than ATI.

Thebananamonkey
08-10-2008, 02:15 PM
I seriously suggest you start doing some research. If the technical terms are too much for you, then either find out what they mean, via wikipedia, or search on google. Or maybe you just want to find a computer store that will build you a cheap computer.

I started out just like you, and after asking repetitive questions to everyone here for far too long, I took a hint and went out and read up on what all this stuff was. Tomshardware.com is a good resource for articles on computer parts.

You'll be better off for it, trust me. Also, it means that you don't just have to take our word for stuff, you'll have a better idea of how your comp will turn out.

pctek
08-10-2008, 02:33 PM
So im jsut asking does the only advantage to get a more expensive graphics card is so it can handle the game better and be more smooth compared to a cheap one. B

With older games both will run the game with high settings and no loss of frame rate.
With newer and the latest games the highend card does better, naturally. But it all depends on the exact games, generally RTS and RPG aren't as hardware hungry as FPSs for instance.

And what you start with determines its useful life, the higher the longer it can cope with new games before you're turning settings down to low again.

Most people start with a budget in mind and get the best card they can in that price range.

Blackandblue
08-10-2008, 03:56 PM
Hey thanks for the help, I did some research and ive got the follow layout

CPU:Intel Core 2 Duo E8400, 3.00GHz $264.95 (E500, 3.16GHz $270???)
Mother Board:Asustek P5Q Pro Intel P45 ATX $208.19
RAM:G.SKILL 4GB kit G.SKILL DDR2-1000 PC8000 CL5-5-5-15 2GB x 2 $138.00
Graphics Card:ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB graphics card $252.73
PSU:Need a cheap PSU as long as its good and stable How much watt do i need?
Case:Dont care on look, needs to be cheap
DVD:Asustek DRW-2014L1T Serial-ATA DVD Writer $41.56
Hard Drive: Seagate 250GB Serial ATA HDD $71.96

Total (so far) $977.36

Any other recommenedations? Thanks

Speedy Gonzales
08-10-2008, 04:04 PM
A PSU can be cheap.

But make sure theres enough watts, so it can supply enough power for whats in the case. 450-500+W would probably be enough

And dont get a Hyena PSU. You mean 1066 ram?? Dont think 1000 exists

SolMiester
08-10-2008, 04:22 PM
All looks good, though you dont need 4GB of ram right now, you can add later if required. Save the money to get a case, not a cheap one....a good case will give good airflow and you need that with the 4xxx GPU's!

Thebananamonkey
08-10-2008, 04:39 PM
For $30 more you can get a 500GB hard drive.

I've got a few games that have install files of over 10GB, so you'll probably use that fairly quickly if you game much. Also if you want any music on there.

I don't have excessive amounts of music, but it's around 40GB...

All I'm saying is that it all really adds up quite quickly. And if you're planning on vista, good luck.

Thebananamonkey
08-10-2008, 04:40 PM
All looks good, though you dont need 4GB of ram right now, you can add later if required. Save the money to get a case, not a cheap one....a good case will give good airflow and you need that with the 4xxx GPU's!

Aren't the 4xxx's self exhausting? So cases shouldn't really matter too much... ?

gary67
08-10-2008, 05:06 PM
You can get a decent silverstone PSU 500W from Ascent for about $115 I got one recently and very happy with it has huge amount of connectors on it

dugimodo
10-10-2008, 12:33 AM
the 4850's are generally a slim single slot card with no external venting so tend to heat up the case a bit, 4870's are 2 slot rear venting - at least for the ones I've seen.

Chosing ATI or Nvidia is a bit tougher - they both have their staunch supporters that will tell you you "have" to have this card or that card. I'd suggest going to a site like Toms Hardware and looking at the benchmarks yourself - you can chose the games you are interested in and compare. Overall there is not much between 9800GTX+ and HD 4850 cards - I'd just pick which was cheaper.

The 4850 was the best budget deal for a while but Nvidia have brought down their prices in response making the 9800GTX+ quite close in price and Nvidia do have a slight edge in games performance with specific titles. That said the 4850 is still a bit cheaper and runs awesomely - I have one myself and coupled with a 22" monitor have yet to see a game struggle to play smoothly.

As for PSU the wattage is not the important thing - generally you need a psu that can supply 28 amps or better on the 12V rail or rails ( 2 or 3 18A rails is ok too as long as they total more than about 28A ) I have an AcBel 420W PSU running an 8800GTs and a E6750 cpu and everything is stable although this is a bit marginal especially if you have a lot of hard drives / fans / case lighting. For SLI you have to go even higher.

Pick a good brand of psu - running your nice gaming hardware on a cheap psu is false economy that make come back to bite you in the arse ( not "ass" I'm not american - mini rant ). Some good brands are - Silverstone, corsair, AcBel, coolermaster, thermaltake ( but just the toughpower range really ). there are others - just avoid the el cheapo ones, if it costs $50 it won't run a gaming machine safely.

SolMiester
10-10-2008, 09:08 AM
If anyone is interested, I'm still trying to sell a Silverstone 650w PSU.

PM me if interested..