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mikebartnz
01-06-2008, 10:02 PM
There is a very interesting program on Prime at present debunking global warming.
They are saying the sun is mostly responsible.

qazwsxokmijn
01-06-2008, 10:43 PM
They are saying the sun is mostly responsible.
No sh*t.

No offense to you intended. ;)

decibel
01-06-2008, 11:10 PM
Is this the one where their quoted figures stop in 1980 ?

martynz
01-06-2008, 11:30 PM
I've recorded it and the following panel discussion.
I won't comment until I've watched both.

Martynz

psycik
02-06-2008, 12:19 AM
hmm two comments.

Anyone notice that the "Pro climate warming" camp was much more vocal - read: argumentative than the "no climate warming" camp who would sit respectively while the others put their case across.

Second - the temperature figures on the second graph - it started round 800 ad - ummmm, where did those figures come from, who was taking the temps then?? And if they were modelled ( e.g. "estimated" on a computer) why did they stop modelling and use real figures.

pctek
02-06-2008, 09:28 AM
Most of the temperatures from ages ago are done by taking core samples and things like that.

While I don't disagree that people are bad for the ecology, I don't agree that warming trends are entirely our own fault either.
I guess I'm kind of in the middle.

But there is a lot of money to be made from the new "the sky is falling" scenario.
I could list a lot load of things we were/are supposed to be panicking about.

Most people/companies are just out to get what they can out of it, very few actually care about the current environment.

As for "saving the planet" though, its just likely our living conditions could change so that we can no longer survive, nothing new there, happens to species all the time. The planet will continue on without us and produce some new lifeforms.

psycik
02-06-2008, 09:47 AM
There's an interesting book by Michael Crichton called A State of Fear - that while the story is fiction, he has some speeches in the back which he is serious....basically saying the ecology movement only started after the cold war ended because the governments needed something else to keep the public scared.

Cicero
02-06-2008, 10:38 AM
Like all things,we take a side and nothing will change our view.

Anbody on here changed there view due to listening to Prime program?

PC v Apple.

Right v left.

God v No God etc.

zqwerty
02-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Exxon to cut funding to climate change denial groups:

http://tinyurl.com/3uvecu

Digby
02-06-2008, 11:14 AM
I enjoyed the documentary. The panel discussion got a bit argumentative.

Whilst I am a bit of a man made climate change skeptic...

Some bad things are happening, Glaciers retreating in NZ, no snow on Mt Kilimanajro, not much snow in Tibet, shrinking Arctic ice cap.

Can or should we try to do something about these things.

I personally can't wait for a bit more warming in my house in winter.

martynz
02-06-2008, 12:32 PM
There's an interesting book by Michael Crichton called A State of Fear - that while the story is fiction, he has some speeches in the back which he is serious....basically saying the ecology movement only started after the cold war ended because the governments needed something else to keep the public scared.

That doesn't seem to hold true for the current US government.

Martynz

kenj
02-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Most of the temperatures from ages ago are done by taking core samples and things like that.

While I don't disagree that people are bad for the ecology, I don't agree that warming trends are entirely our own fault either.
I guess I'm kind of in the middle.

But there is a lot of money to be made from the new "the sky is falling" scenario.
I could list a lot load of things we were/are supposed to be panicking about.

Most people/companies are just out to get what they can out of it, very few actually care about the current environment.

As for "saving the planet" though, its just likely our living conditions could change so that we can no longer survive, nothing new there, happens to species all the time. The planet will continue on without us and produce some new lifeforms.

I agree with you. Mainly a natural cycle, but unfortunately assisted by mans stupidity and greed.

Ken

mikebartnz
02-06-2008, 02:57 PM
hmm two comments.

Anyone notice that the "Pro climate warming" camp was much more vocal - read: argumentative than the "no climate warming" camp who would sit respectively while the others put their case across.
David Rat came across as arrogant, rude and an I specialist.

mikebartnz
02-06-2008, 03:00 PM
But there is a lot of money to be made from the new "the sky is falling" scenario.
I could list a lot load of things we were/are supposed to be panicking about.
Bird flu would be one and Al Gore had his dirty little pinkies in that one too.

Cicero
02-06-2008, 08:25 PM
David Rat came across as arrogant, rude and an I specialist.
Don't you just love that type of woman,like the stop smoking because I say so zealots.

zqwerty
03-06-2008, 12:46 AM
The effects of climate change on agriculture, land resources, water resources, and biodiversity in the United States:

http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap4-3/final-report/default.htm

zqwerty
21-06-2008, 10:37 AM
U.S. experts: Forecast is more extreme weather

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25268181/

martynz
21-06-2008, 11:33 AM
Ocean review finds warming on the rise
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/06/19/2279924.htm?site=science&topic=latest

Martynz

zqwerty
21-06-2008, 11:45 AM
Greenland Ice Core Analysis Shows Drastic Climate Change Near End Of Last Ice Age

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142112.htm

B.M.
21-06-2008, 11:48 AM
Well could someone send some of this mythical Global Warming my way because I freezing my butt off.

10 degrees would be good for a start. :thumbs:

R2x1
21-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Greenland Ice Core Analysis Shows Drastic Climate Change Near End Of Last Ice Age

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142112.htm
Wow, the poor devils. Climate changing drastically and the ice age ending too !

I hope they got reassuring messages on their flintlock TV's.

:D :D

B.M.
21-06-2008, 04:02 PM
Did Fred Flintstone get done for Tax Evasion seeing he obviously caused second spike? :stare:

sal
21-06-2008, 04:33 PM
I personally can't wait for a bit more warming in my house in winter.
Obviously the opposite is more true.

"Climate change"/global warming isn't our fault so **** it(?)

zqwerty
28-06-2008, 12:58 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-no-ice-at-the-north-pole-855406.html

B.M.
28-06-2008, 08:49 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-no-ice-at-the-north-pole-855406.html

Wow, thatís serious stuff alright.

Fancy having more Ice in the North Island than the North Pole. :groan:

zqwerty
28-06-2008, 12:12 PM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html

B.M.
28-06-2008, 12:51 PM
This is serious stuff alright so I got onto a friend that lives there.

A Mr Clause. Some of you may know him as Santa Clause. ;)

Well Santa recons he has traced the problem.

That darn Rudolph and Prancer helped themselves to some Baked Beans from Watties whilst delivering last years Xmas presents. :groan:

Since then the methane concentration has soared and because the North Pole has no taxes, it has been very difficult to control.

However, Santa has now confiscated Rudolph and Prancerís stash but the elves have gone on strike because they were enjoying the warmer conditions.

Where will it all end? :groan:

zqwerty
28-06-2008, 02:19 PM
Ha ha, keep laughing as your world-view inevitably collapses around you.

It takes a lot of mental effort to maintain a false view of the world and is a major contributor to people having nervous breakdowns, far easier 'to get with the program' and acknowledge that there are big changes afoot and we are the cause of some of them.

It will make your final capitulation and acceptance of the global warming scenario a lot easier to stop propping up false realities in your mind BM.

B.M.
28-06-2008, 02:58 PM
Ha ha, keep laughing as your world-view inevitably collapses around you.

It takes a lot of mental effort to maintain a false view of the world and is a major contributor to people having nervous breakdowns, far easier 'to get with the program' and acknowledge that there are big changes afoot and we are the cause of some of them.

It will make your final capitulation and acceptance of the global warming scenario a lot easier to stop propping up false realities in your mind BM.


Whaaaaaat! You mean thereís no Santa Clause?! :angry

Outrageous! :angry

zqwerty
28-06-2008, 03:00 PM
BM, here are some pictures for you so that you can get used to what will happen in the future:

http://www.dezeen.com/2008/06/22/flooded-london-by-squintopera-2/

B.M.
28-06-2008, 03:38 PM
BM, here are some pictures for you so that you can get used to what will happen in the future:

http://www.dezeen.com/2008/06/22/flooded-london-by-squintopera-2/

As long as it's not this!

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1438490562

sal
28-06-2008, 03:48 PM
Regarding no ice in North Pole this summer, where is it all going to be otherwise?