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wodrolb
13-10-2007, 12:06 PM
Ok, so I got a quote from my dads friend and here it is below (pic)

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7733/quoterx2.gif

I showed my friend and he thinks that the graphics card is ****. He also recommended I go for a 19" monitor instead of 17" and also upgrade to 320 gb instead of 250gb.

We rebuilt the quote on http://www.ascent.co.nz/ and it worked out about 150 bux cheaper, so yeah I don't think I'll bother buying all the parts myself I'll just let my dads mate go ahead with it. But I want to make sure all the parts he quoted are good enough and what needs changing?

The new computer's purpose is mainly going to be for sound recording and good enough to run games like battlefield 2, etc. My old comp had an onboard graphics card and couldnt even run a basic 2d shooter.

So yeah any advice or help with this quote would be helpful!

The price is ofcourse in NZ currency.

beeswax34
13-10-2007, 01:15 PM
I would say that that is a very expensive quote for the parts your getting. I would upgrade the HDD to atleast 320-500GB, the card to a 8800 something (depending on budget) and get a 19inch (21 would be ideal) monitor for that kind of price.

Have you tried PB Tech? They would be far more competitive that that person's quote.

wodrolb
13-10-2007, 02:03 PM
hmm, well the guy IS building my computer. Building it myself only works out at 150-200 bux cheaper.

I'm not buying parts myself.

trinsic
13-10-2007, 02:03 PM
A 7300GS will run nothing. It is a base graphics card made for websurfing and emails. Also have you tried Vista before? Something that should be tried first as it is quite a change from XP.

Now I done a quote on C1 Shoppingmall (http://c1com.co.nz/) and for $430+ on the spec above, you get a lot (a lot a lot :p) more.

Low down:
Q6600 CPU (pretty much a 2xE6600)
2x1GB RAM
P35 Chipset Motherboard
XFX 8800GTS 320MB
19" Widescreen Monitor
Case and 560W PSU
DVD-RW
X-fi Xtremegamer Soundcard
320GB HDD
Vista Home Premium

Heres the quote: http://imagehost.cjb.net/913508quote.gif

They will install it all for you for $45 if you want as well.
If I had the money and I was being realistic then I would get what I quoted. But I'm a poor student :D

EDIT: I chose specific companies/models so have a look at the quote I did.

wodrolb
13-10-2007, 02:25 PM
so many choices...

I dunno what to do. hmm, i should just stick with the original quote and change the video card.

someone quote me a nice video card please :)

beeswax34
13-10-2007, 02:37 PM
Yes I know he's building your computer. All I'm saying is that call PB Tech up and ask them for a quote. They will build it for you as well unless you expressly tell them not to do so.

Sweep
13-10-2007, 03:00 PM
Yes I know he's building your computer. All I'm saying is that call PB Tech up and ask them for a quote. They will build it for you as well unless you expressly tell them not to do so.

Well I get my parts from PB Tech in Hamilton. I have also found PBtech in Auckland helpful as well.

I built my own and for others as well.

trinsic
13-10-2007, 04:13 PM
so many choices...

I dunno what to do. hmm, i should just stick with the original quote and change the video card.

someone quote me a nice video card please :)

If you want you can go 8600GT/S but a 8800GTS 320MB will play anything. Also if you did that with his quote it would make that over the budget of the one I spec'd and it would be a less powerful PC :confused:

pctek
13-10-2007, 04:28 PM
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7733/quoterx2.gif

I showed my friend and he thinks that the graphics card is ****.

He's right. It is s***.

And the rest of the quote is fine except they don't say what BRAND hard drive.
Get Seagate - whatever size..........

drcspy
13-10-2007, 06:57 PM
A 7300GS will run nothing. It is a base graphics card made for websurfing and emails.

ridiculous.

.....it may not run many games or video editing but then an S3trio 1mb card is a 'base graphics card made for websurfing and emails'.......

LiquidSolidity
13-10-2007, 07:24 PM
ridiculous.

.....it may not run many games or video editing but then an S3trio 1mb card is a 'base graphics card made for websurfing and emails'.......

He is correct in saying that this card will not run games.

wodrolb
13-10-2007, 08:35 PM
well, what's a decent graphics card for around the 200 nz dollar mark?

pctek
13-10-2007, 09:33 PM
well, what's a decent graphics card for around the 200 nz dollar mark?

There isn't one for that price.

Decent and cheap in the same sentence as far as gaming is concerned is not possible.

trinsic
14-10-2007, 12:05 AM
7900GS for $223. Best price/performance card or otherwise 8600GTS at $250 and then 8800GTS/2900PRO in the $400's

george12
14-10-2007, 12:29 AM
You do realise that Ascent will build your computer for free, right?

pctek
14-10-2007, 07:56 AM
You do realise that Ascent will build your computer for free, right?

Actually they charge 2% to build it.

I build for no extra cost.

wodrolb
14-10-2007, 05:13 PM
Okay so I made a new comp up at ascent.

hope it's alright.

if I have made any mistakes or if you have any suggestions PLEASE let me know, as I'm pretty n00by when it comes to building comps. I just went off my quote and changed a couple of things.

Not sure what vista to get, dunno what 64 bit and 32 bit have to do with it?

anyway here it is: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8286/newquotenk1.gif

qazwsxokmijn
14-10-2007, 06:14 PM
Replace the case with one that has no PSU and buy a separate good one. Also swap the Hitachi HDD for at least a Western Digital. Seagate is recommended. Other than those two, I think you'd have a very nice system.

User125567
14-10-2007, 08:08 PM
If you purchase the parts PB Tech should build the computer free of charge.

trinsic
14-10-2007, 08:20 PM
I guess you didn't like my advice :p

The Kingston RAM you put is inferior/slower to the SuperTalent and costs $100(!) more. Change the HDD to a Seagate or Western Digital, not only because warranty is better on Seagate but they are more reliable. The one I mentioned is the same price and has double the cache.

$400 is a bit much on a 19" monitor that has an average contrast ratio (700:1). Most now have 1000:1. Hell even the budget $364 20" Viewsonic has.

With the $100 in savings from the RAM you could get a Q6600 but I guess you want the E6750. I can't force you to buy it :D

Edit: And yeah you will need a better PSU then the generic craps they put in cases.

wodrolb
14-10-2007, 08:33 PM
i have no idea what ram and hdd to pick even when you all tell me the brand names, theres like a million different options with the same brand name with different specs. i don't even know what all the little specs mean. :S

PCi 8234892, XFSF 7.34 2x1gb ETC ETC GUH! so confusing!

george12
14-10-2007, 09:29 PM
Actually they charge 2% to build it.

I build for no extra cost.

No, they don't.

They give you a 2% discount if you buy a whole computer as just parts, but they don't add anything on to build the PC.

george12
14-10-2007, 09:31 PM
i have no idea what ram and hdd to pick even when you all tell me the brand names, theres like a million different options with the same brand name with different specs. i don't even know what all the little specs mean. :S

PCi 8234892, XFSF 7.34 2x1gb ETC ETC GUH! so confusing!

For RAM, you want DDR2-800 probably, the rest you don't really need to worry about.

For the hard drive, get a Seagate SATAII hard drive. If it mentions cache, more is better. The rest can be ignored.

trinsic
15-10-2007, 01:51 AM
i have no idea what ram and hdd to pick even when you all tell me the brand names, theres like a million different options with the same brand name with different specs. i don't even know what all the little specs mean. :S

PCi 8234892, XFSF 7.34 2x1gb ETC ETC GUH! so confusing!

Yeah its all gobble :D

The main things to look out for:

RAM: comes in all shapes and sizes and speeds. When I say speeds I don't mean DDR2-800 because that is simply a standard they have to follow. There is a more technical side called timings. Ideally the lower the better your computer can process information (loading times etc.). And this is where the SuperTalent CL4 series shines. The model no. T800UX2GC4.

HDD: 320GB is the best use of money $/GB. If you don't really care much for space then you can go lower. Things to look out for are: SATAII (simply a standard) 7200.10 (version of harddrive) and 16MB cache. The bigger cache helps reduce repeated reads and load times.

PSU: An important part of any computer. If it is a generic one (free, cheap, no brand, comes with a case) then it can be unreliable and potentially waste power by not being efficient enough. There is also risk of it blowing up and it will try and take other things with it. If getting a 8800GTS then you should aim for a 500w minimum PSU to power it. Brands recommended are Seasonic, Silverstone, Enermax and possibly Coolermaster. The particular one I suggested (Silverstone ST56F) is actually made by another company that has been making high-grade server PSU's since the 90's.

Optical drive: This is more a preference thing but I would suggest Pioneer or Asus (which are simply re badged Pioneer's). Go for what looks cool :waughh:

Graphics card: Many cards out but only a few should even be considered.
For $250 7900GS 256MB or 8600GT 256MB

For $460 2900PRO 512MB or 8800GTS 320MB

To be honest nothing else should be considered. If you wanted to upgrade from the $250 range you would go straight to the 2900PRO or 8800GTS. All 4 cards are capable of running most games out but of course the more expensive 2 will allow for higher settings. Brand wise it doesn't really matter because they are all much the same except for their warranties. XFX/Gigabyte/and one other I can't remember have good warranties.

OS: Try Vista before you get it :rolleyes:
Now there are two types: 32bit and 64bit, user wise you wont notice but 64bit is a new standard in computing as our current computers have reached their limits and things must be upgraded. It gets more technical so thats enough about it. It would be better if you went 32bit as more programs run on it for the time being.

Monitor: Depends if you want widescreen or not. They are cheaper because they are actually smaller vertically then a normal non-widescreen monitor. A 19" would be 15" vertically, 20" would be 17", 22" would be 19" and so on. Gamers take a preference to 19", 20.1" and 22" Widescreens (apart from the CRT believers).

The Samsung 931BW 19" Widescreen monitor is quite quote popular as well as its old brother the 226BW (22" version) and is reviewed to death online as being top monitors. Again it is preference if you want a normal non-widescreen and want a 'real' 19", 20" screen etc.

Motherboard: Ever changing, best to get something that will be upgradeable to the newer CPU's coming out next year (so you don't have to buy a whole new motherboard). P35, 650 or 680 is what you want to look out for. The motherboard you spec'd is 650 and is fine.

Thats about it from me, realized I typed quite a bit :lol:
Beats counting sheep trying to fall asleep.

wodrolb
15-10-2007, 12:35 PM
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3425/computerxw4.png
hows this? my mate wipped this up just then :thumbs:

Adeane
15-10-2007, 01:42 PM
I mocked that system up for him, What do you guys think? It will mainly be used for gaming and flash production. :help:

pctek
15-10-2007, 02:27 PM
No, they don't.

They give you a 2% discount if you buy a whole computer as just parts, but they don't add anything on to build the PC.

Haha.

And I give a 3.5% discount for eftpos, cash and direct debit. I don't charge 3.5% extra for credit card payments.

qazwsxokmijn
15-10-2007, 03:01 PM
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3425/computerxw4.png
hows this? my mate wipped this up just then :thumbs:
Good choices. Although see if they sell the Soprano without the included PSU. The 430W PSU included is rubbish.

Adeane
15-10-2007, 03:12 PM
Its cheaper with the PSU included than excluded :S

qazwsxokmijn
15-10-2007, 03:24 PM
Well, with $180 you might as well get Tsunami Dream for about $230. Or you can just sell the 430W PSU on trademe for $30. :s

Adeane
15-10-2007, 03:40 PM
Why the Tsunami over the Soprano?

trinsic
15-10-2007, 06:39 PM
Email C1 and see if they can remove the 430W PSU from the Soprano and give a discount on the case. Worked for me before but the PSU was branded.

Change the RAM to some CL4 stuff instead of CL5. Might as well get benefits for the same price. SuperTalent CL4 or aXeRAM CL4 (this stuff has dropped nearly $30 today and is only $134)

Again change the graphics card to the XFX 8800GTS XXX, it is A: cheaper and B: factory overclocked and even beats the higher up 8800GTS.

The rest is good :p

george12
15-10-2007, 07:05 PM
Haha.

And I give a 3.5% discount for eftpos, cash and direct debit. I don't charge 3.5% extra for credit card payments.

Not trying to nitpick, but there's a difference.

If I go and buy a hard drive from you and it costs $100, it doesn't really cost me $100 if I pay by cash. It costs $96.50, right?

If I go to Ascent and buy a computer consisting of a hard drive ($100) a CPU ($100) etc, the price of the PC is the price I pay for the components added together - no more. Same as you, except you don't offer a 2% discount for not building a PC (not that there's anything wrong with that).