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winmacguy
30-07-2007, 03:53 PM
"By now, everyone has heard how Microsoft plans to release the next Windows client OS, Windows 7, in 2010. But what the company is not making clear is what new features the OS will have, a topic that has become fodder for educated speculation.
“We barely know the features of the one we just got,” he says.

That said, Cherry is expecting less “earth-shattering” new features than improvements on some of the new ones found in Windows Vista, such as the Bitlocker encryption feature, which is currently hard for the average PC user to navigate.

"With products such as the Apple iPhone making the touchscreen popular with consumers, a touchscreen UI in Windows 7 is a possibility, Silver says. “They don’t want to look bad next to Apple.:rolleyes: ” Desktop search, a new feature built into Vista, also has room for improvement."
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/0A27373262667A4ECC257325000BD7BC

Digby
30-07-2007, 07:29 PM
Looks like 2012 to me and another yawn !

Cant they think of any features ?

Making it smaller and less intrusive would be good tho

regards

Digby

winmacguy
30-07-2007, 07:41 PM
Cant they think of any features ?

Making it smaller and less intrusive would be good tho


Microsoft appears to be like the world's biggest container ship that is in motion without its steering ...aka drifting and directionless.

Graham L
30-07-2007, 07:46 PM
It will be "the most secure Windows ever". How could it not be? :D

Agent_24
30-07-2007, 08:00 PM
mm. Security. right.

winmacguy
30-07-2007, 08:02 PM
300 what?

Agent_24
30-07-2007, 08:06 PM
Was gonna say 300 problems with the extra features of bloatware, but then you edited so I did too :p

winmacguy
30-07-2007, 08:07 PM
Ah, well I thought my edited comment was more concise and to the point. ;)

Poppa John
30-07-2007, 08:50 PM
2007 PJ = 69

2010 PJ = 72

2012 PJ = 74

2012 XP Home = PJ @ 74 & content.

Who gives a damn about Vista & Vienna anyway.

Maybe by 2012 there will be a serious competitor to Windows. It would be nice to have a realistic choice.

Linux et al, Google, aside. No competition as yet. PJ

somebody
30-07-2007, 08:58 PM
Multitouch laptops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulwA3n8AYM0&eurl=

winmacguy
30-07-2007, 09:01 PM
That depends on how you define "serious competitor"
If your talking by market share then it will possibly happen in the next 5-10 years with Apple getting up to around 15% of the market and Linux maybe 5%+
If you mean as a suitable alternative OS, Apple has been a more than suitable alternative for about the last 5 years and Linux continues to be developed.

winmacguy
30-07-2007, 09:05 PM
Multitouch laptops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulwA3n8AYM0&eurl=

Sun Microsystems were doing the carousel + dock (minus the touch screen) back in the late 80's and NeXT OS had the concept before Sun. Apple has the touch and squeeze UI with the iPhone.

Poppa John
30-07-2007, 10:02 PM
That depends on how you define "serious competitor"
If your talking by market share then it will possibly happen in the next 5-10 years with Apple getting up to around 15% of the market and Linux maybe 5%+
If you mean as a suitable alternative OS, Apple has been a more than suitable alternative for about the last 5 years and Linux continues to be developed.

Win...........if you have a spare Mac, send it down to me & I will evaluate it. PJ:nerd:

winmacguy
30-07-2007, 10:31 PM
OK PJ.

motorbyclist
31-07-2007, 01:01 AM
That depends on how you define "serious competitor"
If your talking by market share then it will possibly happen in the next 5-10 years with Apple getting up to around 15% of the market and Linux maybe 5%+
If you mean as a suitable alternative OS, Apple has been a more than suitable alternative for about the last 5 years and Linux continues to be developed.

depends on what you want to do with it

that said, microsoft IS going broke, or rather they aren't making any money....
one day they'll learn that they are wasting their advantage they have over linux and apple and maybe stop screwing the consumer over...

then again, maybe not

beeswax34
31-07-2007, 01:22 AM
Um. MS's profit was even larger than last years. How exactly is it going broke??? Sure the share price has been largely stable and stagnant but the company is still hugely profitable and is likely to be so for a while to come.

motorbyclist
31-07-2007, 01:30 AM
i beleive i said that there weren't making money;

apparently sometime recently they have started to lose their momentum and are becoming less profitable. with billions in the bank this won't be a problem for a while yet, but if MS carries on as it is apple and linux will get too strong to kill back off. EDIT: now i think about it that came from an Inquirerer article, which while well written may not be entirely accurate EDIT AGAIN: well i checked the date on said article, so i'll just refrain to pointing out the recent failures that vista and IE7 are

seriously, if their OS is going to increase the cost of a new computer by 50-100% why not go mac or linux? once programmers start making the shift apple will get a huge boost. hopefully they'll open up their hardware at some point too but that of course would hurt their profits because jobbs seems too shortsighted to realise that's all thats holding apple away from gamers and many specialist applications. hell if they made the damn things cheaper it would open them up to everyone else too

Metla
31-07-2007, 01:43 AM
I have faith, Faith the the great unwashed masses will click onto the fact that Windows releases have peaked (XPSP2) and are now in steep decline.

Hopefully MS will collapse. God I hope it does.

winmacguy
31-07-2007, 12:27 PM
Um. MS's profit was even larger than last years. How exactly is it going broke??? Sure the share price has been largely stable and stagnant but the company is still hugely profitable and is likely to be so for a while to come.

No one said Microsoft was going broke, but your right, their share price has been stagnant for about the last 6 years and their annual profit is gradually reducing mainly because despite spending untold billions on research they don't actually have a whole lot to show for it. Their main large source of revenue is and has been their Office products - as is explained in the article.

For Microsoft to really grow their quarterly profit would have to increase YOY. As is stated in the article Microsoft is attempting to fire in all directions because in they don't know which specific area/s will bring the "killer" app rather than having a couple of clearly defined areas to develop a great product and be the first to market with it.

winmacguy
31-07-2007, 12:35 PM
seriously, if their OS is going to increase the cost of a new computer by 50-100% why not go mac or linux? once programmers start making the shift apple will get a huge boost. hopefully they'll open up their hardware at some point too but that of course would hurt their profits because jobbs seems too shortsighted to realise that's all thats holding apple away from gamers and many specialist applications. hell if they made the damn things cheaper it would open them up to everyone else too

Programmers are actually making a gradual shift to Apple which was recently noted in MacWorld UK (about a 5% increase). Don't expect Apple to "open" the OS anytime soon but do expect them to continue to make APIs available to developers. I doubt that they will ever open the hardware.
http://developer.apple.com/
Apparently the iPhone has been hacked to the benefit of developers which could become quite significant in the long run.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/iphone-can-now-serve-web-pages-run-python-open-source-apps-282139.php

Apple is also offering iPhone based web developer classes.

R2x1
31-07-2007, 11:07 PM
Win...........if you have a spare Mac, send it down to me & I will evaluate it. PJ:nerd:
Aren't all Mac's spare?
Or is that "Spare me from the Mac"? ;)

motorbyclist
01-08-2007, 12:05 AM
Programmers are actually making a gradual shift to Apple which was recently noted in MacWorld UK (about a 5% increase).

yes i do realise that, but my thinking is that there will be a critical tipping point at which the market share of apple is big enough to make programming for it a neccesity in order to stay competitive, and i think that isn't too far off.

(and imho, if you're going to quote pro-mac stats plz don't get them from macworld as it's one of the biggest apple marketing/propaganda machines out there :2cents: )

motorbyclist
01-08-2007, 12:06 AM
Aren't all Mac's spare?
Or is that "Spare me from the Mac"? ;)

LOL

winmacguy
01-08-2007, 02:16 PM
yes i do realise that, but my thinking is that there will be a critical tipping point at which the market share of apple is big enough to make programming for it a neccesity in order to stay competitive, and i think that isn't too far off.

(and imho, if you're going to quote pro-mac stats plz don't get them from macworld as it's one of the biggest apple marketing/propaganda machines out there :2cents: )

MacWorld UK was where I read the stat and they are probably "pro Mac" because they are a UK Mac news website. Apple is "competitive" just not in a PC market share sense, they are very strong financially. People (Scientists, engineers, education, musicians, video editing/TV) tend to use Macs because they want to rather than "because they come with the job" like PCs. There are probably more situations in US corporates where employees are given the choice of PC or Mac as their preferred OS when they start with a company being that a lot of college students are now choosing Macs over PCs so they continue on with their Mac when they move into the workforce. The iPhone is also paving the way for more Macs in the workforce as more PC users swap their Blackberries for iPhones.
In terms of programming for the Mac platform, it already happens in more places and with more software than you would think.

motorbyclist
01-08-2007, 07:12 PM
ok, show of hands if you want to pay for your IT guys to deal with a combination of macs and windows and will go further still to get any specialist software to run on both systems.....

looks like the same "businesspoeple" who think it's ok to go without their phone for a few days while the battery is being replaced, and don't seem to realise even a high-end nokia from last year wipes the floor with the iphone

winmacguy
01-08-2007, 07:21 PM
You have probably never been through any marketing departments, printers, design studios, Wanganui School of Design (just ask Metla) Christian School in Albany, St Cuthberts School, Pt England School in Pt Chev, Massey Uni in Palmy, AUT (I think), Media Design School, Nat Coll etc. They all run Mac/Windows environments with Xserves and Windows servers. There is a lot more xplatform software than you realise.

motorbyclist
01-08-2007, 07:47 PM
no i haven't, but i've been through many more single-os places than what you just listed.


i'm not saying that mac/windows environments don't exist, i'm saying that right now they aren't as attractive as using a single OS. i also said that mac systems are going to continue to spread unless MS does something before they lose their advantage of still being the norm.

and that isn't just blending the two, i mean companies going solely mac - which i'm sure you would call a good thing, no?

winmacguy
01-08-2007, 08:23 PM
no i haven't, but i've been through many more single-os places than what you just listed.


i'm not saying that mac/windows environments don't exist, i'm saying that right now they aren't as attractive as using a single OS. i also said that mac systems are going to continue to spread unless MS does something before they lose their advantage of still being the norm.

and that isn't just blending the two, i mean companies going solely mac - which i'm sure you would call a good thing, no?

Actually I would say that that would be unlikely as there are a number of areas that Apple is not interested in moving into such as the CRM and ERP areas. These would be likely to remain the sole area of Windows. It would be more likely to have a greater inclusion of Macs being accepted into more areas of the workplace along side the likes of Linux/Sun etc. Apple has its areas that it will always remain strong in which I have previously mentioned. These are the areas that earn the most for Apple. Some info on the Xserve that you might not be familiar with
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/
I think that MS is possibly turning into the IBM of old.

This is the type of situation that I am describing from a Computer world article earlier in July
"AWC will begin systematically pulling the plug on all Windows-based PCs in its cavernous auto processing shop and power up Macs to execute virtually all of its revenue-generating operations. The move comes on the heels of a quiet wholesale replacement of Windows-based servers for data storage and Web operations, which are now running on Apple Inc.’s Xserve RAID machines.
http://computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=298043