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LOWTEC
09-06-2007, 02:32 PM
unfortunately for me I just shorted out my 7800gt..not going to go into how as I'm mad enough as it is.

anywaz now i need a new graphics card and its been a year or so since I built my last system so a little out of date on whats good. so wondering if people can give me some recommendations on whats good at the moment? dont want to spend too much but open to all suggestions.

also now i figure as im gona need a need gfx card I mite as well look at buying a new mobo and cpu so any suggestions here as well would be good? must be dual core is my only requirement.

so any help would be great

Ripdog
09-06-2007, 02:43 PM
Getting an 8k sries nVidia would be good here, for futureproofing (direct x 10), so i would reccomend the 8800GTS, 320mb, its the sort of mid range 8000 series. I havent really been keeping up with processors though, cant help there.

mejobloggs
09-06-2007, 03:13 PM
Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 and overclock it.

8800GTS is good, but hardly what I call futureproofing for DX10. Imo I would be waiting for the next lot of cards for DX10 games.

motorbyclist
10-06-2007, 02:15 AM
8600gt (or two)

2gb ram

i'm assuming this is for gaming

check out http://www.pricespy.co.nz/

The_End_Of_Reality
10-06-2007, 10:13 AM
If it were me and you want REAL AMAZING gaming performance... I would get an 8600GT or GTS... :cool:

















And then wait till the G92 comes out which is rumored to be around Xmas I would hate to think of the price though... because this thing is powerful... REALLY... Nvidia claim that the G92 will be a 1 Teraflop Beast (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39829) which the 8800 is only 330Gflops so if the 9800 IS actually 1Tflop it is 3 TIMES MORE POWERFUL :eek: I think I know what I am going to do now :D

motorbyclist
11-06-2007, 02:04 AM
And then wait till the G92 comes out which is rumored to be around Xmas I would hate to think of the price though... because this thing is powerful... REALLY... Nvidia claim that the G92 will be a 1 Teraflop Beast (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39829) which the 8800 is only 330Gflops so if the 9800 IS actually 1Tflop it is 3 TIMES MORE POWERFUL :eek: I think I know what I am going to do now :D

faaark

mejobloggs
11-06-2007, 09:13 AM
I wouldnt get any DX10 card now. Get a 7600GT or 7900GS, and wait it out for those new cards. I don't know how good the next gen cards will be, but I am dissapointed in the current DX10 cards!

wratterus
11-06-2007, 12:12 PM
faaark

u said it.

SolMiester
11-06-2007, 01:01 PM
8600gt (or two)

2gb ram

i'm assuming this is for gaming

check out http://www.pricespy.co.nz/

Mate, I would never recommend SLI unless you require more than the top of the range card can deliver as in 30" LCD etc.

SLI although always getting better, is never a better alternative than a single powerful card....period.

LOWTEC
11-06-2007, 05:28 PM
thanks the responses im a bit against waiting it out for new products to come out as no doubt when they do there will be another even better release to wait for then too. how long am I looking at waiting for the next range of dx10 cards to come out? cos i really dont want to have to keep using my rubbish laptop any longer than needs be. so it would seem that nvidia still the way to go over ati?

mejobloggs
11-06-2007, 06:55 PM
It's not really about waiting for something better, it's more like... imo, there is no point in DX10 yet, so you might as well buy a card for DX9. Any card from 7900GS up is going to do very well on DX9.

If you want a card for DX10, then wait, cause even the latest and greatest struggle with DX10.

I say buy a 7900GS now. Cheap. Good performance in DX9 games. And when DX10 gaming is more mature, sell it, and buy a new DX10 card.

PedalSlammer
11-06-2007, 07:04 PM
thanks the responses im a bit against waiting it out for new products to come out as no doubt when they do there will be another even better release to wait for then too. how long am I looking at waiting for the next range of dx10 cards to come out? cos i really dont want to have to keep using my rubbish laptop any longer than needs be. so it would seem that nvidia still the way to go over ati?Well, you have a choice between ATI & Nvidia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units
:rolleyes: I don't know about you. It seems X2900XT is a choice for me, I know the driver is very new, and heat is very serious in summer time.
8600GT seems like a good choice, but no benchmarking yet for X2600 Pro.
Have a look at reviews web, no much people can argue which will win over each other over X2900XT vs 8800 GTS 640MB, remember the driver is very fresh for X2900XT and it is being nearly 1/2 year already for 8800GTS driver.

Have another thought again. If you heard about R700 going for 55nm processing is a lie, dunno who make that happen but Intel and Nvidia are not very happy about it. 55nm processing on GPU is not gonna happen.

XBOX is using ATI GPU technology as well. Kinda weird but true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
"While the first Xbox's graphics processing unit was produced by NVIDIA, the Xbox 360 uses a chip designed by ATI called Xenos." Source from Wikipedia.

mejobloggs
11-06-2007, 07:07 PM
Advise against getting any 8600's...

But then I checked the prices. Sorry, I thought the prices where a lot more than that. Not as bad as i originally thought. Ignore me :p

Tukapa
11-06-2007, 08:50 PM
Well, you have a choice between ATI & Nvidia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units
:rolleyes: I don't know about you. It seems X2900XT is a choice for me, I know the driver is very new, and heat is very serious in summer time.
8600GT seems like a good choice, but no benchmarking yet for X2600 Pro.
Have a look at reviews web, no much people can argue which will win over each other over X2900XT vs 8800 GTS 640MB, remember the driver is very fresh for X2900XT and it is being nearly 1/2 year already for 8800GTS driver.

Have another thought again. If you heard about R700 going for 55nm processing is a lie, dunno who make that happen but Intel and Nvidia are not very happy about it. 55nm processing on GPU is not gonna happen.

XBOX is using ATI GPU technology as well. Kinda weird but true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
"While the first Xbox's graphics processing unit was produced by NVIDIA, the Xbox 360 uses a chip designed by ATI called Xenos." Source from Wikipedia.

Aaaagggghhhhhhhh!!!!

He's back!

PedalSlammer
11-06-2007, 10:48 PM
Aaaagggghhhhhhhh!!!!

He's back!Hey dude, do I need to point the WEB for reference? :confused: Am I being a potty mouth in here again? :xmouth:
I didn't said 8600GT was a bad choice.

LOWTEC
16-06-2007, 08:51 PM
after a little bit of considering I think I will get a cheaper card and wait for the next range of cards to come out so im looking at cards less than $200. Im considering these three:

Sapphire RADEON HD2600 PRO
http://www.dragonpc.co.nz/p.aspx?98089

or

XFX Geforce 8500GT
http://www.nzoczone.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=3793&osCsid=18662566f448ec7a3eb4e2b19d788527

or

XFX Geforce 7600GS
http://www.nzoczone.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=3327

which one would people recommend me getting? as all are round a similar price.

The_End_Of_Reality
16-06-2007, 09:03 PM
Well the 7600GS is not DX10 (and is slower than the 8500GT) so I would go for either the 8500GT or 2600 PRO. Looking at specs on Wikipedia the 2600 PRO is theoretically better (faster core speed, faster RAM speed, but slower shader clock speed) I am going to look for some benchmakrs to compare them now...

LOWTEC
16-06-2007, 10:03 PM
thanks i should of prolly looked for sum benchmarks but i was being lazy as my net is so rubbish. maybe I should also consider the 8600gt?

The_End_Of_Reality
16-06-2007, 10:17 PM
Heh, well it seems to be quite hard to find up to date GFX card benchmarks...

Yes, it is all up to you and your budget... the XFX 8600GT XXX (http://www.nzoczone.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=3791&osCsid=18662566f448ec7a3eb4e2b19d788527) from OC Zone has double the RAM speed, double the pixel pipelines and an extra 170MHz core speed, that will make a fair difference in performance but it will cost $274.95 Inc GST from OC Zone can you justify that?

mejobloggs
16-06-2007, 10:27 PM
David... 7900gs or 7600gt and wait for next gen cards :p

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/725165.html

Jams
16-06-2007, 10:36 PM
Well, you have a choice between ATI & Nvidia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units
:rolleyes: I don't know about you. It seems X2900XT is a choice for me, I know the driver is very new, and heat is very serious in summer time.
8600GT seems like a good choice, but no benchmarking yet for X2600 Pro.
Have a look at reviews web, no much people can argue which will win over each other over X2900XT vs 8800 GTS 640MB, remember the driver is very fresh for X2900XT and it is being nearly 1/2 year already for 8800GTS driver.

Have another thought again. If you heard about R700 going for 55nm processing is a lie, dunno who make that happen but Intel and Nvidia are not very happy about it. 55nm processing on GPU is not gonna happen.

XBOX is using ATI GPU technology as well. Kinda weird but true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360
"While the first Xbox's graphics processing unit was produced by NVIDIA, the Xbox 360 uses a chip designed by ATI called Xenos." Source from Wikipedia.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTM1MSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==


This evaluation is the embodiment of what video card value is to the gamer. We have a video card, the 320 MB GeForce 8800 GTS at around $289 providing a noticeable gameplay experience advantage compared to the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT that costs $409. In some cases the performance gap is very wide (S.T.A.K.E.R. and BF 2142), in other games performance is closer (Oblivion, Lost Planet), but in most cases the 320 MB GeForce 8800 GTS is providing higher framerates than the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT sometimes equating to a better gaming experience.

The 8800 GTS 320MB video card is $120 less expensive and provides a gaming experience that is equal to or superior to the HD 2900 XT. Not only that, but as our original evaluation proved the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT uses much more power than a GeForce 8800 GTS! The 8800 GTS is simply more efficient both in terms of power and performance.


By the sounds of it there is a considerable difference between the 8800GTS and the 2900XT.

You can't tell me that any driver can bridge the gap between the cards....

The_End_Of_Reality
16-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Jo, the 7900GS (at Ascent) is close to and upwards of $350 where as the 8600GT and 7600GS are a lot cheaper, the 7600GS being the cheapest, but this will give less performance compared to the 8600GT and the 8600GT is a cheap DX10 card so you can play DX10 capable games with the DX10 details and then get a better card when they are out

mejobloggs
16-06-2007, 10:55 PM
I'm looking on pricespy. 7900gs, $250

The_End_Of_Reality
16-06-2007, 11:19 PM
Well Ascent is not the cheapest... and the 2 7900GS I was looking at is around the $350 mark (possibly factory OCed I didn't look in detail at them)

annie
17-06-2007, 08:28 AM
If the 'cheapest' ones you were looking at are Palit, yes they are factory overclocked. Factory clock speed for the 7800 GS is 450/660, and the Palit is (shuffles thru piles of paper on desk looking for specs.......bad words......) 450/1320 MHz. Its biggest drawback in reviews seems to be its size - it takes up 2 slots because of the heatsink, and most tech sites recommend leaving a 3rd free to give it a bit of heat dissipation room. So you need a PCI-e slot and a couple of adjacent PCI slots free.

Don't know anything about the other cheap brand tho, but Winfast good good reviews

The_End_Of_Reality
17-06-2007, 08:55 AM
Annie, the Palit 7900GS is NOT OCed, the factory specs of 450/660 is the same as 450/1320... 1320 is the RAM data rate (or dual channel speed), so if you halve 1320 what do you get? 660 therefore it is NOT OCed.

The ones I was basing my statements on were the Gigabyte GV-NX79G256DP-RH and Leadtek WinFast PX7900GS but (I just looked into the specs of them) the Gigabyte is OCed to 525/1440 and is $393.12 and the Leadtek is stock at 450/1320 and is $372.86

annie
17-06-2007, 09:04 AM
oh dear.... oh well, i tried! You can tell I don't really know what I'm doing here

The_End_Of_Reality
17-06-2007, 10:11 AM
He he he, we are all at that point some time or another :p so no problems :)

JJJJJ
17-06-2007, 03:58 PM
I have an 8800 vid card and I think it's marvelous. Twice (at least) the performance of the 7950.

I also have an extreme 6800 cpu. Certainly not worth the $1000 more than something almost as good.

LOWTEC
21-06-2007, 03:16 PM
finally got it down to either a gigabyte 8600gt or a Sapphire HD 2600 XT. now I would really like just a few replies from what you guys would choose between the two as I really cant decide, do I wait until next week when 2600 becomes available? or just buy a 8600 today?

thanks for everyones responses so far

SolMiester
21-06-2007, 04:35 PM
Do not buy any X2series card from ATI, they are just crap. If you want an ATI card go for the X1series....

The_End_Of_Reality
21-06-2007, 07:43 PM
Out of those 2 the 8600GT will be the better of the two...

LOWTEC
22-06-2007, 05:50 PM
thanks for that looks like the 8600 it is. I can get another 8600gt for cheapish would it be worth looking at a SLI set up?

The_End_Of_Reality
22-06-2007, 08:33 PM
IMO SLI with 2 cheap cards will cost more and be less powerfull than a single high end card... but fine if you can't afford a single high end card and get one now and another 6 months down the track but by then new stuff is most likely out... but I would wait for DX 10.1 as that will need another hardware change :rolleyes:

LOWTEC
23-06-2007, 12:50 AM
oh ok then, doesnt matter now as I just found out the other 8600gt i thought i could get 1/2 price is a xfx version not gigabyte so wouldnt of worked anyway. On a positive note I just installed my new 8600gt and so far im really impressed for the performance and general display qualities despite its very average reviews and that its a middle-lower end card. The HD picture on my 32" tv is not too bad as well.

The_End_Of_Reality
23-06-2007, 09:28 AM
Good to hear :thumbs: you will have to let me know how it handels DX10 games if you can :D (I am looking at a DX10 can now to last till the next gen but I possibly might get an 8800GTS :D)