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PedalSlammer
16-04-2007, 08:07 PM
Have anyone seen any ATi VS Nvidia DX 10 Graphics Card Result? I mean the 8800GTX vs ATi R600 Series.
Thanks.

memphis
16-04-2007, 08:45 PM
Ask Google!!!

:2cents:

PedalSlammer
16-04-2007, 08:49 PM
Ask Google!!!

:2cents:OK. I'll try.:)
The last time I use google for "How to change System Manufacturer in Windows" it let me down.
I mean not the system properties System Manufacturer but the MSInfo one. I also visited the XP geeks web and no luck still.

Speedy Gonzales
16-04-2007, 09:05 PM
I mean not the system properties System Manufacturer but the MSInfo one. I also visited the XP geeks web and no luck still.

MSinfo gets its info from whatever the mobo is. I would say, it ends up under System properties. Where u said above.

I think you're talking about the oeminfo.ini file which is a text file.

It shows u here (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314472)

How to do it.

The following is an example of the Oeminfo.ini file:

[General]
Manufacturer = MyCompany, Inc.
Model = Brand X Processor
SupportURL = http://www.mycompany.com
LocalFile = C:\Winnt\Web\LocalFilename.htm

[Support Information]
Line1= For Technical Support:
Line2= to obtain updated drivers or for information on frequently
Line3= asked questions, visit the MyCompany technical
Line4= support web site at:
Line5=
Line6= http://www.mycompany.com/techsupport.

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Metla
16-04-2007, 09:07 PM
The R600 hasn't been released, If anyone publishes any info then its rumour, if they publish benchmarks then they are lies.

When the tide turns, You will know all about it.

Your feet will be wet, along with the area behind your ears.

pctek
16-04-2007, 10:00 PM
R600XT will be officially known as Radeon HD 2900 XT when it launches in May. It seems that R600XT will be available first followed the XTX. According to DailyTech, the Radeon HD 2900 series features 320 stream processors and supports 128-bit HDR rendering, 24xAA, physics processing. Other features include integrated HDMI output capabilities with 5.1 surround sound. Although the wait for R600 is unbearable but the consoling part is that R600XT stood up well against NVIDIA GeForce 8800 series. Using a Core 2 Extreme QX6700 processor, R600XT scored 12K in 3DMark06, slightly better than a GeForce 8800 GTX. It is benched on the latest 8.361-RC4 drivers, quite an improvement over the older sets of drivers. The core clock of R600XT stood at 750MHz while the memory is at 820MHz.



At the top of the DirectX 10 chain, is the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT. The AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900-series features 320 stream processors, over twice as many as NVIDIA’s GeForce 8800 GTX. AMD couples the 320 stream processors with a 512-bit memory interface with eight channels. CrossFire support is now natively supported by the AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900-series; the external CrossFire dongle is a thing of the past.

The R600-based ATI Radeon HD 2900-series products also support 128-bit HDR rendering. The ATI Radeon HD 2900-series supports up to 24x anti-aliasing. NVIDIA’s GeForce 8800-series only supports up to 16x anti-aliasing. AMD’s ATI Radeon HD 2900-series also possesses physics processing.

New to the ATI Radeon HD 2900-series are integrated HDMI output capabilities with 5.1 surround sound. However, early images of AMD’s OEM R600 reveal dual dual-link DVI outputs, rendering the audio functions useless.

AMD’s RV630-based products will carry the ATI Radeon HD 2600 moniker with Pro and XT models. The value-targeted RV610-based products will carry the ATI Radeon HD 2400 name with Pro and XT models as well.

The entire AMD ATI Radeon HD 2000-family features the latest Avivo HD technology. AMD’s upgraded Avivo with a new Universal Video Decoder, also known as UVD, and the new Advanced Video Processor, or AVP. UVD previously made its debut in the OEM-exclusive RV550 GPU core. UVD provides hardware acceleration of H.264 and VC-1 high definition video formats used by Blu-ray and HD DVD. The AVP allows the GPU to apply hardware acceleration and video processing functions while keeping power consumption low.

PedalSlammer
16-04-2007, 10:13 PM
Thanks Speedy.
Melta I think you're right. Those Nvidia and ATi fans are just making stuff up to create a rumor.
Thanks for the specs pctek.

qazwsxokmijn
16-04-2007, 11:26 PM
Wow that sounds like a beast, pctek....any estimations on price and power consumption?

pctek
17-04-2007, 07:07 AM
Wow that sounds like a beast, pctek....any estimations on price and power consumption?

Nope.
Most likely around the same price as the 8800GTX was.
Power, who knows.

Pete O'Neil
17-04-2007, 10:06 AM
Rumor has it that ATI will attempt to undercut nVidia by around $100-$150 US, so the HD2900XT will sell for the same price as the 8800GTS. Thats the reason why its taken so long to launch the product, ATI went to 65nm so they could get decent yeilds and thus undercut nVidia!

The_End_Of_Reality
17-04-2007, 10:23 AM
The last time I use google for "How to change System Manufacturer in Windows" it let me down. Google did not let you down, you let yourself down... Google finds what YOU say, there for if it is there, Google will find it... you probably used the wrong keywords...


Rumor has it that ATI will attempt to undercut nVidia by around $100-$150 US, so the HD2900XT will sell for the same price as the 8800GTS. Thats the reason why its taken so long to launch the product, ATI went to 65nm so they could get decent yeilds and thus undercut nVidia! Gasp! I think looking at it currently my next card is going to be ATI :eek:

PedalSlammer
17-04-2007, 11:58 AM
The new ATi R600 card is going to consume around 230W. No kidding most of the forums shows that. I think I wanna take out the stock cooling and equip with my Liquid cooling kit on.
:illogical Looks nice huh? I guess you also need enough power to feed it too. Like a better PSU. 750W maybe just enough for it. For my specs below, I don't think 750W is enough for me. I mean enough for stock but not overclocking.
Here's my Rig Project:
Rig Project for Q3 2007:
CPU: Intel Quad Core
HDD: Size Unknown but normal HDD 7200rpm SATA. But 3X HDDs.
Memory: 2GB kit (1GBx2), Ballistix Tracer DDR2 PC2-6400 memory module
Graphics: AMD/ATi R600 Series
MOBO: Intel Chipset P35 "Bearlake"
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 226BW 22" 1680x1050 2ms S Panel
DVD: Asustek DRW-1814BLT Serial-ATA DVD Writer
PSU: Silverstone ST75F 750W Modular Plug Power
Case: Thermaltake Armor LCS
Software: OS Unknown.

:D Remember last time? $3000 is my budget? But this time I going for a little bit over the limit. I think this PC should serve me well. Any suggestion? Or still unknown? I guess I've have to wait for the time to come.

Halwende
17-04-2007, 12:53 PM
...128-bit HDR rendering, 24xAA, physics processing...

24xAA?! *faint*

That's some serious anti-aliasing... there's me happy with 2xQ!!

Still, I'd love to see the benchmarks of these new cards if those specs are true, but I'm holding off the jump to Vista & DX10 until there's a decent set of games ready to play. Kinda like the PS3 really... Give Vista, DX10 and Windows Live a year and PC gamers will really be smiling I reckon

Faded_Mantis
17-04-2007, 01:03 PM
How long do you think it will be before games stop comming out supporting both DX10 and DX9? 2 Reasons for the question, I was contemplating a graphics upgrade soon (I'm on a 6200TC) and I was also hoping to stick with XP for a while longer.

Money, hmpf.

mejobloggs
17-04-2007, 01:13 PM
Well if the 2009 release date for Vienna is true, I think i'm going to skip Vista altogether.

The_End_Of_Reality
17-04-2007, 01:45 PM
The new ATi R600 card is going to consume around 230W. No kidding most of the forums shows that. I think I wanna take out the stock cooling and equip with my Liquid cooling kit on. Do you have any HARD facts? meaning are they from ATI? if not, they are just speculation and are to be taken with a grain of salt, it maywell be around there (I really doubt it), but I don't believe anything unless it is HARD facts.

The 8800GTX doesn't even consume that much and the R600 is smaller process size thus less power...

Have a look here (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812) and then come back and review your statement.

(for those of you who are only interested in the main points... read below)

The test system configuration is as follows:

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI based motherboard
2x1GB PC2-6400
NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX
PowerColor ATI Radeon X1950 XTX
Western Digital Raptor 150Power consumption:

X1950XTX, Ilde - 184W, Load - 308W
8800GTX, idle - 229W, Load - 321W

Power consumption was measured using a Kill-A-Watt power meter that measures a power supply’s power draw directly from the wall outlet. The power supply used in the test system is a Thermaltake Toughpower that carries an efficiency rating up to 85%.

NOTE: the power consumption figures are of THE WHOLE SYSTEM


the main PCI-E slot can only supply 75w, add 2 more 6pin pci-e power connectors at 75w each, its another 150w. Therefore the max amount of power it can draw is only 3x75w which is only 225W

Pete O'Neil
17-04-2007, 02:03 PM
How long do you think it will be before games stop comming out supporting both DX10 and DX9? 2 Reasons for the question, I was contemplating a graphics upgrade soon (I'm on a 6200TC) and I was also hoping to stick with XP for a while longer.

Games will support DX9 cards for ages, its only recently that DX8 cards have started to have problems with modern DX9 games. Realistically you should expect you card to have insufficient graphical processing power long before lack of support for the next gen DX becomes a problem.

If i was in your position i would hold off for a mid-range DX10 card, your more likely to notice the 6200 crapness long before you notice the lack of DX10 support.

pctek
17-04-2007, 02:04 PM
Still, I'd love to see the benchmarks of these new cards if those specs are true, but I'm holding off the jump to Vista & DX10 until there's a decent set of games ready to play.

Well I'm getting a new ATI and not Vista.
It will just have to downgrade its abilities and run DX9 stuff.

As for the rumours, ATI always take ages to release their cards but theynusually always are better by the time they do than Nvidia.

qazwsxokmijn
17-04-2007, 02:21 PM
Wow, if the HD2900XT is going to cost as much as the 8800GTX did, then that means whoever bought the 8800GTX when it first came out got a pretty bad deal.....

Metla
17-04-2007, 04:33 PM
Games will support DX9 cards for ages, its only recently that DX8 cards have started to have problems with modern DX9 games. Realistically you should expect you card to have insufficient graphical processing power long before lack of support for the next gen DX becomes a problem.
.

Prince of Persia-Sands of time
Rallycross challenge
Battlefeild 2

All games that required DX9 hardware, and a couple of those released quite a few years ago. There are a number of others.

On the whole I can agree with your logic, But don't count out the logic of MS, I can see them springing the next Halo or perhaps a lesser but still popular game with the bare minimum not only being Vista but a DX10 Capable (rather then compatible) video card.

pctek
17-04-2007, 06:28 PM
Wow, if the HD2900XT is going to cost as much as the 8800GTX did, then that means whoever bought the 8800GTX when it first came out got a pretty bad deal.....

Whatever new state of the art card you buy becomes a bad deal in 5 minutes.
Ditto the new ATIs in oh lets be generous, 3 months after they are released.

qazwsxokmijn
17-04-2007, 07:26 PM
Well, I guess so.

Big John
17-04-2007, 08:18 PM
Wow, if the HD2900XT is going to cost as much as the 8800GTX did, then that means whoever bought the 8800GTX when it first came out got a pretty bad deal.....

Not really. I have had the pleasure of using my 8800GTX now for the past 6-8 months and it was well worth the money spent.

When I brought my crappy old 7700 Viper it cost the same as the 8800GTX does now but then it was top of the line then as well.
Now it is just my downloading PC.

qazwsxokmijn
17-04-2007, 09:01 PM
Not really. I have had the pleasure of using my 8800GTX now for the past 6-8 months and it was well worth the money spent.

When I brought my crappy old 7700 Viper it cost the same as the 8800GTX does now but then it was top of the line then as well.
Now it is just my downloading PC.
But how do you think you'd feel when the HD2900XT comes out at the same price you paid for your 8800GTX? :p

I would love any one of those babes now, though.

Big John
17-04-2007, 10:40 PM
But how do you think you'd feel when the HD2900XT comes out at the same price you paid for your 8800GTX? :p


No worries at all. As I said I have had the use of my card now for some time and was able to up the settings in every game I play.
Besides which I only ever buy NVidia cards anyway.

Faded_Mantis
17-04-2007, 11:52 PM
If i was in your position i would hold off for a mid-range DX10 card, your more likely to notice the 6200 crapness long before you notice the lack of DX10 support.

Alright, I think I may wait then. It should only be a few months?

And I noticed the crapness long ago lol...I've got it overclocked to 411mhz core (up from 350mhz) and memory at around 510mhz.

main reason I've noticed it's crapness is because I play...Oblivion :badpc: I get 15-20fps on 640x480res with all the settings turned right down (except view distance, it's right up). The card does run games like EVE, Rome:Total War etc alright.

Would the mid range DX10 cards have similar (slightly higher) prices than their DX9 counterparts do now?

Pete O'Neil
18-04-2007, 11:16 AM
Mid-range nVidia cards have just been released and as expected they perform pretty arse! In a lot of cases they're outperformed by the X1950GT or the 7900GS!

qazwsxokmijn
18-04-2007, 11:52 AM
Mid-range nVidia 8 series cards> I saw some 8600GTS cards on trademe - selling for $475 or so. Too expensive, for the time being.

Pete - I saw an 8600GTS benchmark result on the internet yesterday and I actually found 8600GTS are slightly better than a 7900GT. Where did you see those results? Or were you talking about the 8600GT or 8500GT?

Pete O'Neil
18-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Nope in most reviews ive seen the 8600GTS struggles to outperform the 7900GS and if your lucky in some cases keeps up with the 7950GT.

PedalSlammer
20-05-2007, 08:09 PM
:stare: The X2900XT PSU requirements is 750W. But it's a good bargain for 8800GTS replacement.
Have anyone even considering about this card? It's noisy and consumes heaps of power for sure, but great for a value, but when driver is fixed this card can munch up the 8800 GTS.

:) I wonder how much is the X2950XTX cost, but this time the die size have been reduced. But this time ATI/AMD is pushing the GPU clocked speed to GHz and 8900 is not even close to that. Do you guys think this card is going to cost up to around $1000?

pctek
20-05-2007, 09:03 PM
They're out. Have a look on Pricespy.
The reviews are not good, its not a s good as the 8800GTX and in some games not even as good as the GTS.
Disappointing.

PedalSlammer
20-05-2007, 10:05 PM
They're out. Have a look on Pricespy.
The reviews are not good, its not a s good as the 8800GTX and in some games not even as good as the GTS.
Disappointing.It is not made to take down the 8800GTX but GTS. :D Can't wait for X2950XTX. Now, I need think and make some room budget for X2950XTX. ATI/AMD is going for GHz GPU not MHz anymore.

But X2900XT got great value compared to 8800 GTS.
:( Too, bad I need around $300 plus for CompTIA A+ exam very soon, so $300 savings for my PC will be gone. But never mind there's still time for saving up for a X2950XTX while it is in the lab.

I will definitely skip this card X2900XT because of heat and power issues which means Summer time is going to be at extreme temp for the GPU.

The_End_Of_Reality
21-05-2007, 07:57 AM
Intel originally was going for clock speed, now look at them... the clocks are lower than what they used to be yet the chips are faster know why?

ATI is sutpid for trying to get high clock speeds, high clock speeds are what makes up the huge power consumption and heat issues... Why not make a slower clock speed GPU that does more data per cycle, this is what Intel has done with the C2D and look at that...

Any card will be fine as long as you have the case air flow :rolleyes:

EDIT: and anyway... the 8800GTX is capable of hitting 1GHz clock speed

qazwsxokmijn
21-05-2007, 03:39 PM
the 8800GTX is capable of hitting 1GHz clock speed
:stare: :eek:

The_End_Of_Reality
21-05-2007, 04:38 PM
:stare: :eek: Though it does need some serious sub zero cooling to do it :D

pctek
21-05-2007, 04:54 PM
Can't wait for X2950XTX..

Or maybe the 3950XTX. :)

BTW the X in front has been dropped now so its a 2950xtx.

PedalSlammer
21-05-2007, 06:10 PM
X2950XTX will be released in September. :stare: 8800GTX overclocked to 1GHz? :lol: No way, GTX already factory overclocked how far can it go. http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4946&s=21 Shows overclocking to 1Ghz but need some serious cooling.

qazwsxokmijn
21-05-2007, 06:18 PM
Or maybe the 3950XTX. :)

BTW the X in front has been dropped now so its a 2950xtx.
Ah, finally they dropped one X. Sure, X sounds cool, but ATi is overkilling it....

pctek
21-05-2007, 07:46 PM
Ah, finally they dropped one X. Sure, X sounds cool, but ATi is overkilling it....

The X meant 10.