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JJJJJ
26-12-2006, 06:38 AM
What voltage should I have at "cpu core" I am showing 1.42 v. Seems to be a funny sort of a figure.
CPU Athlon 64 4000+

SurferJoe46
26-12-2006, 06:52 AM
Same basic setup here..and my Vcore is 1.74

Yours does seem to be a little low....are you running your SmartGuardian (http://www.iteusa.com/software_download/software_download2.asp)?

Here's a site with some info too: http://forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t84302.html

SurferJoe46
26-12-2006, 07:00 AM
If you don't have or want SmartGuardian, then here's another ut to try: http://cpu.rightmark.org/download.shtml it's free too.

I read that having the Vcore value at as low a voltage as your system will comfortably run, keeps the heat down a little.

Higher voltages are a sign of tweaking (usually) and of overclocking.

The_End_Of_Reality
26-12-2006, 11:32 AM
That is fine for that chip, my AMAZING_DUAL_CORE runs at 1.35v stock, but I have it cracked up to 1.50v cause I have it overclocked :D

And SJ, I am really concerned about that voltage in the CPU, that is very high (I don't like mine above 1.7v)... what is the setting in the BIOS? it should be something like "auto" or something to that effect, but no actual value...

And yes, the more voltage the CPU (or anything else is getting) the more heat it will produce, running the CPU at it's stock voltage is fine for a stock spec, and a mild overclock too, but if you get more into the large overclocks then you will need to raise the voltage...

qazwsxokmijn
26-12-2006, 11:36 AM
Mine is only at 1.27.....

JJJJJ
26-12-2006, 11:37 AM
That is fine for that chip, my AMAZING_DUAL_CORE runs at 1.35v stock, but I have it cracked up to 1.50v cause I have it overclocked :D...


Yes I can understand the amazing dual core needing xtra power to get anything done.:rolleyes:

SurferJoe46
26-12-2006, 12:00 PM
That is fine for that chip, my AMAZING_DUAL_CORE runs at 1.35v stock, but I have it cracked up to 1.50v cause I have it overclocked :D

And SJ, I am really concerned about that voltage in the CPU, that is very high (I don't like mine above 1.7v)... what is the setting in the BIOS? it should be something like "auto" or something to that effect, but no actual value...

And yes, the more voltage the CPU (or anything else is getting) the more heat it will produce, running the CPU at it's stock voltage is fine for a stock spec, and a mild overclock too, but if you get more into the large overclocks then you will need to raise the voltage...

Here's the adjustable stuff and where they are right now:

Vcore = 1.8 setting, running 1.74
DDR = 2.5 setting, running 2.49
AGP = 1.5 setting, running 1.48
+3.3 running at 3.32
+5 running at 4.86
+12 running at 12.16

The_End_Of_Reality
26-12-2006, 03:00 PM
Yes I can understand the amazing dual core needing xtra power to get anything done.:rolleyes: Well lets see, stock mine is running less voltage... :rolleyes: but overclocked 500MHz it needs only an extra 0.15v now that is not much... (an extra 300MHz over your 4000+ :p)


Here's the adjustable stuff and where they are right now:

Vcore = 1.8 setting, running 1.74
DDR = 2.5 setting, running 2.49
AGP = 1.5 setting, running 1.48
+3.3 running at 3.32
+5 running at 4.86
+12 running at 12.16 All those settings are fine except for the Vcore, what options does it give you?

You do get fluctuations in the voltages and the hardware is designed to deal with that so they are all fine.

SurferJoe46
26-12-2006, 05:01 PM
It looks like the SafeGuardian has settable voltages in it's gui...so I could probably make the changes there. Maybe I won't have to bother the BIOS..and since this is the SOYO SmartGuardian for the SOYO mobo, it should make the changes to the BIOS anyway...right?

It has some +/- arrows for all the voltages, and I see that they are all at the "10" value at the moment...that might be a baseline value..not sure.

Would I then assume that this is the default values for the voltages? I mean, if the values are "10" then that's kinda looking like a starting place for tweakers...right?

I haven't changed anything since I got this running 4 years ago and I have no instability problems yet.

Here's the first pix of SmartGuardian (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/SS001.bmp)
...and the second is here. (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/files/SS002.bmp)

......and remember that I am running 8/200g's and another 40g and a 10g, a Zipdrive, usb dynamic hubs (2), 3 printers and 2 Palms with full file-sharing with the Dell and another Compaq that I just picked up....a lot of electrons running here......Oh, yes...an Enermax 535 something PSU.......

The_End_Of_Reality
26-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Well personally I would use the BIOS, I don't trust any programs that play/tweak the BIOS from within an OS, can get a corrupt BIOS that way...

But you can do which ever way you want.

If you select a lower number... actually what is your CPU? cause IIRC older CPUs needed more juice to get em running... if this is the case then the voltage will be fine...

EDIT: Download CPU-Z and run that and see what it tells you cause the Athlon XPs used to run at that voltage...

SurferJoe46
26-12-2006, 05:18 PM
OK..you asked for the info!

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The_End_Of_Reality
26-12-2006, 05:31 PM
Sigh... all I needed to know was about the CPU... :rolleyes:

Run CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-138.zip) and save a log file (under about and registers dump) and post the Processor Information here, here is one I have prepaired earlier:

Processors Information
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Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 2
Number of threads 2 (max 2)
Name AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Codename Toledo
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
Package Socket 939
CPUID F.3.2
Extended CPUID F.23
Brand ID 5
Core Stepping JH-E6
Technology 90 nm
Core Speed 2700.9 MHz (10.0 x 270.1 MHz)
HT Link speed 810.3 MHz
Stock frequency 2200 MHz
Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64
L1 Data cache 2 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 1024 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
max FID 11.0x
VID range 1.100V - 1.400V
K8 Thermal sensor yes
K8 Revision ID 4.2
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 0
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 1
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 2
Attached device PCI device at bus 0, device 24, function 3

That is all you need to post

Master_Frost
26-12-2006, 06:28 PM
lol half you guys are talking like all CPU's run at the same Vcore.

The AMD 939 4000+ runs at 1.5V (I looked it up), although I am not 100% sure there is only one core architecture.

Also to add to this, you cannot trust any motherboard to give you a 100% accurate reading so 1.42 is perfectly fine.

The_End_Of_Reality
26-12-2006, 11:22 PM
lol half you guys are talking like all CPU's run at the same Vcore.

The AMD 939 4000+ runs at 1.5V (I looked it up), although I am not 100% sure there is only one core architecture.

Also to add to this, you cannot trust any motherboard to give you a 100% accurate reading so 1.42 is perfectly fine. Yes I know they don't, I just thought that SJ was talking about the likes of a Athlon 64, not XP, but all the Athlon 64s run there abouts to the same voltage depending on process size

SurferJoe46
27-12-2006, 05:48 AM
I went to an old benchmark/test site and got this:


Athlon XP 1500+


True clock speed 1333 [Do not compare to Pentium values!]

Bus 266

Vcore (voltage) 1.75

Socket A

Cache = L1: 128kB - L2: 256 kB (Full)

Size = 0.18Á (microns)

Nominal Temp C/F = 90░C/194F Air/Copper Heatsink minimum, var. fan

Power Consumption = 60W/full load

Now...according to another Google;

"The temperature is indicated by the third character from the right in the OPN and is denoted by an S, T or V character.

Current data for the AMD AthlonTM XP processor identifies the maximum operating temperature as:


V = 85║C,
T = 90║C,
S = 95║C."

Overclocking is accomplished by FSB adjustments only.
(does this mean that I cannot use the sliders for voltages via SmartGuardian?)

drcspy
27-12-2006, 05:51 AM
Nominal Temp C/F = 90░Cp

ouch

SurferJoe46
27-12-2006, 05:57 AM
Right now...at a fairly minimum demand, I am at 44C, fan speed at 1990 RPM

The_End_Of_Reality
27-12-2006, 08:27 AM
Ah, yes the 1.75v is fine and normal for the 1500 + XPs... and yes, they do run hot those chips, but as you see, they can take it...

Yes, overclocking involves playing with the FSB, (raising it (this also increases the RAM speed and infact everything else, so you will need to watch out else you can get data corruption)) and yes, you can play with the voltage sliders, you raise the voltage to the chip when you have raised the FSB so much that the chip is not stable and crashes, it is best to use stability tests like Prime 95, Memtest 86 and CPU Burn In to make sure it is stable. but A_WORD_OF_CAUTION_RAISING_THE_VOLTAGE_INCREASES_TE MPS_AND_CAN_DAMAGE_THE_CHIP_IF_YOU_GIVE_IT_TOO_MUC H_VOLTAGE

But unless you do a lot of CPU intenstive tasks, it is not really worth it...

Pete O'Neil
27-12-2006, 09:19 AM
What CPU do you have SurferJoe? You combination of clock speeds and voltages don't match. As shown earlier the older Palmino cores ran at quite high voltages and thus high temps. You spec print out shows your CPU running at 2.3GHz, so unless your overclocking (which wouldn't make sense either) there are only 2 CPU's that could be either a 2800+ or the very very rare 3300+, and it both cases that vcore is very high.

The_End_Of_Reality
27-12-2006, 09:58 AM
Pete, he has the Athlon XP 1500+ with a clock speed of 1333MHz, I am not sure what he used that says 2300MHz... but that is wrong.

That voltage is fine for that chip

EDIT: He is running the "Athlon XP "Palomino" (Model 6, 180 nm)"