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B.M.
30-09-2006, 07:40 AM
Hey guys have Xtra turned their SPAM Filters off? :illogical

Iíve reported it, complained about it, forwarded copies to spamreport@xtra.co.nz but still Iím getting spamed off the planet.

The SPAM is mainly the Commonwealth Bank one, a stock market tipping report and of course those trying to accommodate my endless need for Viagra.

Maybe Xtra have adopted the approach that all traffic is good traffic, because someone has to pay?

Itís become a right pain. :angry

Speedy Gonzales
30-09-2006, 07:44 AM
Get something like poptray (http://www.poptray.org/)

Then u can add spam to a blacklist / blacklist the whole domain.

And never see it again

Safari
30-09-2006, 08:21 AM
The only problem is they send from a different domain each time.
All ISP spam filters are struggling to cope with the volume of spam at the moment which has increased dramatically in recent weeks.

As well an increasingly amount of spam is being sent as .png or .gif attachments and the spam information is included in the attachment and makes it difficult for the filters to read what is actually being promoted. By adding some random text to the message as well it fools the filters to not flag it as spam purely because of the attachment.

Spam filters are continually being adjusted to try and keep up with the tricks spammers use to try to bypass them but some will get through.
If you get a few there is probably 8 times that amount that has been filtered and you have not received.

stu161204
30-09-2006, 11:19 AM
Get something like poptray (http://www.poptray.org/)

Then u can add spam to a blacklist / blacklist the whole domain.

And never see it again

Hmmm a bit like MailWasher, must give poptray a try one of these days.

Misty
30-09-2006, 11:27 AM
Get something like poptray (http://www.poptray.org/)

Then u can add spam to a blacklist / blacklist the whole domain.
And never see it again
Hi Speedy
if they send from a different domain each time then how does poptray stop
them? Presumably there is some benefit or you would not suggest using it.
Misty :confused:

Speedy Gonzales
30-09-2006, 11:54 AM
Hi Speedy
if they send from a different domain each time then how does poptray stop
them? Presumably there is some benefit or you would not suggest using it.
Misty :confused:

It doesnt. But poptray can use wildcards ie: (*@isp).

If spam comes up, just add it to the blacklist after it checks for email (it can check email every 5,10 mins etc, whatever u set it at).

Then go to options white/blacklist, delete the front of the spam and replace it with *@ (dont delete the isp/end part of the spam u added. Like if the spam is xxxxx@google.com u replace the front part with *@ so it'll be *@google.com. Then click on save.

And put one rule in. Name Spam. Account/all accounts. Needed / Any row. And subject contains [SPAM]. And tick delete from server.

And keep enabled ticked.

rogerp
30-09-2006, 12:31 PM
Hmmm a bit like MailWasher, must give poptray a try one of these days.


I found poptray poor compared to mailwasher, which can detect ad compare spam with spam databases

Billy T
30-09-2006, 12:37 PM
Hey guys have Xtra turned their SPAM Filters off? :illogical Iíve reported it, complained about it, forwarded copies to spamreport@xtra.co.nz but still Iím getting spamed off the planet.

I've noticed an increase in spam via Xtra in recent weeks as well. Before I turned on their filter I would get 50-60 per day, but after turning the filter on, it reduced to 4-5.

It is currently back up to 20 or so per day so something must be wrong. It is all intercepted by Mailwasher anyway (MW only misses one or two per day) but it is still a nuisance.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Safari
30-09-2006, 12:56 PM
I've noticed an increase in spam via Xtra in recent weeks as well. Before I turned on their filter I would get 50-60 per day, but after turning the filter on, it reduced to 4-5.

It is currently back up to 20 or so per day so something must be wrong. It is all intercepted by Mailwasher anyway (MW only misses one or two per day) but it is still a nuisance.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Nothing is wrong, it is is just spammers increasing the use of image-based spam.
Image-based spam contains its unwanted content inside of graphics, making it difficult and even impossible for some spam filters to identify.
http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3617711

As a matter of interest spam mail is approaching 50% of all messages received by ISP mail servers.

Speedy Gonzales
30-09-2006, 01:09 PM
Nothing is wrong, it is is just spammers increasing the use of image-based spam.
Image-based spam contains its unwanted content inside of graphics, making it difficult and even impossible for some spam filters to identify.
http://www.internetnews.com/stats/article.php/3617711

As a matter of interest spam mail is approaching 50% of all messages received by ISP mail servers.

Thats the good thing about Poptray. Because it picks up the email without you having to open OE/ whatever, you dont see images (or anything else).You dont even have to open / OE / Outlook etc to see whats in it.

It shows the amount of emails you've received in the taskbar.

All u see is where its from, when it checks for email. If u dont know who the sender is u can right mouse on the sender, then add it to the blacklist, then delete it, or if its from someone u know, u can add it to the whitelist.

Safari
30-09-2006, 01:25 PM
Thats the good thing about Poptray. Because it picks up the email without you having to open OE/ whatever, you dont see images (or anything else).You dont even have to open / OE / Outlook etc to see whats in it.

It shows the amount of emails you've received in the taskbar.

All u see is where its from, when it checks for email. If u dont know who the sender is u can right mouse on the sender, then add it to the blacklist, then delete it, or if its from someone u know, u can add it to the whitelist.

You can do much the same in your ISP Webmail if you don't want to download messages you don't want.

Speedy Gonzales
30-09-2006, 01:30 PM
You can do much the same in your ISP Webmail if you don't want to download messages you don't want.

You could but too much mucking around logging into ya isp's webmail all the time. (I just CBF doing that) :lol:

Misty
01-10-2006, 06:39 PM
It doesnt. But poptray can use wildcards ie: (*@isp).

If spam comes up, just add it to the blacklist after it checks for email (it can check email every 5,10 mins etc, whatever u set it at).

Then go to options white/blacklist, delete the front of the spam and replace it with *@ (dont delete the isp/end part of the spam u added. Like if the spam is xxxxx@google.com u replace the front part with *@ so it'll be *@google.com. Then click on save.

And put one rule in. Name Spam. Account/all accounts. Needed / Any row. And subject contains [SPAM]. And tick delete from server.

And keep enabled ticked.
Hi Speedy
I have just downloaded poptray and it seems that the mail has to go through this program so that you can enter any restrictions/prohibitions for any particular spam received. I had kept 19 messages received today and yesterday from two companies being "Norway Consulting Group" (10) and "Commonwealth Bank" (9), in Outlook Express. Never mind -- it will be tomorrow at the lastest that I get more from them as they are the two most persistent culprits. I can then enter the wild cards which should be relatively easy because they use fairly similar characteristics each time. Also I do not get much mail from Norway usually !!! (Unless that blonde wants to contact me again -- or was she Swedish ??!!!!!!). ;) :p

Will feedback on my success or otherwise
Misty :thumbs:

Speedy Gonzales
01-10-2006, 06:47 PM
Hi Speedy
I have just downloaded poptray and it seems that the mail has to go through this program so that you can enter any restrictions/prohibitions for any particular spam received.

Correct thats what it does, once u enter your email login/pw in poptray's options.

And when u set poptray to check for email every few mins / whatever u set it to. It'll pick up email, (you can see this by looking at its icon in the taskbar), which saves u opening OE / Outlook / whatever email client you're using.

That way, you can select what goes to the blacklist / whitelist. Or what gets permanently blacklisted. (with the *@).

It'll also pick up Gmail, (or any other email addy, besides Hotmail if u signed up for this recently (unless u paid for it),) if you've re-directed your Gmail email to your normal ISP email addy.

Misty
01-10-2006, 07:33 PM
Correct thats what it does, once u enter your email login/pw in poptray's options.

Well I have got part of the way there, Speedy, because I now have located the defaults and accounts etc way over on the right of the program, which is unusual. Some messages have come through to Outlook Express but I got an error message saying there is some connection problem with poptray. The defaults specify
"C:\Program files\Messages\msimn.exe"

but I have changed this to
"D:\Messages\msimn.exe"
but am not sure about this last bit "msimn". Presumably it is okay but am not sure.
Misty :confused:

Speedy Gonzales
01-10-2006, 07:46 PM
Well I have got part of the way there, Speedy, because I now have located the defaults and accounts etc way over on the right of the program, which is unusual. Some messages have come through to Outlook Express but I got an error message saying there is some connection problem with poptray. The defaults specify
"C:\Program files\Messages\msimn.exe"

but I have changed this to "D:\Messages\msimn.exe"
but am not sure about this last bit "msimn". Presumably it is okay but am not sure. Misty :confused:

Err, the path for OE should be C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe
msimn.exe is the exe file for OE.

I dont know how u got D:\Messages\msimn.exe. Or C:\Program files\Messages\msimn.exe

Misty
01-10-2006, 07:52 PM
Err, the path for OE should be C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe
msimn.exe is the exe file for OE.

I dont know how u got D:\Messages\msimn.exe. Or C:\Program files\Messages\msimn.exe
Well that part's okay then because I wrote down the original default path from memory. The path with D:\Messages is correct because that is where my messages go now that I have a partitioned hard drive. As you say the end part of msimn.exe is correct. This means that whatever the error is, it is not in that area !

I still have to locate where the error is ! :stare:
Misty

Speedy Gonzales
01-10-2006, 08:03 PM
The path with D:\Messages is correct because that is where my messages go now that I have a partitioned hard drive. As you say the end part of msimn.exe is correct. This means that whatever the error is, it is not in that area !

I still have to locate where the error is ! :stare:
Misty

So, this msimn.exe file, is in 3 different places? It shouldnt be.

If D:\Messages is where u copy emails to, (not the folder OE is in), the default folder should be C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe. Leave it as C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe.

Then click on test. If it works then leave the default progrram as is.

Take a snapshot of that error, and post it here (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/)

Misty
01-10-2006, 08:09 PM
Me again Speedy
It struck me that I had probably identified the wrong login name to poptray. To give an example I had put my first and second name (something like, but not quite -- Brad Pitt), whereas I should have put (something like but not quite) brad_angelina. Corrected that - but still getting error message.

The error message reads ---


Poptray connect error
AVG POP3 Proxy Server : cannot connect to the mail server

I am on Xtra as ISP and have identified that (ie "xtra.co.nz") as the Server. The bit about AVG has been picked up by poptray itself.

Misty :confused:

PS - as I have to be out of bed in the morning at 4.55am I must away to my bed so sorry if I suddenly disappear off the forum.

Misty
01-10-2006, 08:16 PM
If D:\Messages is where u copy emails to, (not the folder OE is in), the default folder should be C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe. Leave it as C:\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe.

Then click on test. If it works then leave the default progrram as is.

Take a snapshot of that error, and post it here (http://www.imagef1.net.nz/)
Okay Speedy, will do. May not be tonight.
thanks
Misty :thumbs:

Speedy Gonzales
01-10-2006, 08:17 PM
Me again Speedy
It struck me that I had probably identified the wrong login name to poptray. To give an example I had put my first and second name (something like, but not quite -- Brad Pitt), whereas I should have put (something like but not quite) brad_angelina. Corrected that - but still getting error message.

The error message reads ---

I am on Xtra as ISP and have identified that (ie "xtra.co.nz") as the Server. The bit about AVG has been picked up by poptray itself.

Misty :confused:

PS - as I have to be out of bed in the morning at 4.55am I must away to my bed so sorry if I suddenly disappear off the forum.

The name / login u should be putting in under options / accounts, SHOULD be the same username / password, you're using to get onto the net, (not the username / password u use to login into windows, if this is what you're doing), whether you're on dialup or broadband.

Pop server should be pop.ihug.co.nz or pop.xtra.co.nz (or whatever ISP you're with), (dont put the " 's in).

Or whatever info you've got in OE / or Outlook / whatever for checking email, put exactly the same info in Poptray.

Misty
01-10-2006, 08:28 PM
The name / login u should be putting in under options / accounts, SHOULD be the same username / password, you're using to get onto the net, (not the username / password u use to login into windows, if this is what you're doing), whether you're on dialup or broadband.
Hi Speedy, you have just confirmed what I have done to correct, so that is good.


Pop server should be pop.ihug.co.nz or pop.xtra.co.nz (or whatever ISP you're with), (dont put the " 's in).

I have corrected and put the pop in front so that it now reads

pop.xtra.co.nz
before I only had put xtra.co.nz

However I sent myself a message and when it came back it went straight to Outlook Express. The error message that poptray now gives is

Poptray connect error
Socket error #11001. Host not found
Misty :(

Speedy Gonzales
01-10-2006, 08:43 PM
Hi Speedy, you have just confirmed what I have done to correct, so that is good.

Good!


I have corrected and put the pop in front so that it now reads

before I only had put xtra.co.nz

Good again!


However I sent myself a message and when it came back it went straight to Outlook Express. The error message that poptray now gives is

Poptray connect error
Socket error #11001. Host not found

Change pop.xtra.co.nz to pop3.xtra.co.nz for pop server. That should fix that error.

If u send yourself an email now, and select check all from Poptray in the taskbar, if u see a 1, in the taskbar its working.

Misty
05-10-2006, 07:47 PM
Good!
Good again!

Change pop.xtra.co.nz to pop3.xtra.co.nz for pop server. That should fix that error.

If u send yourself an email now, and select check all from Poptray in the taskbar, if u see a 1, in the taskbar its working.
Sorry Speedy - I do continue trying ! I am not working tomorrow so will look at everything from step 1, there is something I am stuffing up. Don't want to waste any more of your time (at this stage). Very much appreciate your help to date. Will try again tomorrow.
Misty :groan:

Misty
10-10-2006, 07:00 PM
Hi Speedy
It is working fine now thanks. The items move so fast through the program that I have only seen them twice in the program, the second time today. Have told poptray to delete :angry
Norway Consulting
National Australia
Commonwealth Bank
National Bank
Israeli Brokerage
VhAGRA
VvAGRA
... and others

For example
Norway Consulting I received
8 x emails on 02.10.2006
6 x emails on 03.10.2006
4 x emails on 04.10.2006.
.. but since I asked Poptray to delete I have received none at all !! :D

Israeli Brokerage I received
1 x email on 04.10.2006
7 x email on 05.10.2006
7 x email on 06.10.2006.
2 x email on 07.10.2006.
..... but since asked Poptray to delete I have received none at all !! :D

This is a good start. You cannot hope to get rid of all but you sure can make an impact.
thanks
Misty :thumbs:

Speedy Gonzales
10-10-2006, 07:16 PM
Good to hear !

Add them to the blacklist FIRST, before u delete them.

Then go to options / white/blacklist and replace the front of the spam with *@ and click on save.

Otherwise, they'll come back.

If u want I can email a list of what I have blacklisted. All u have to do, is copy and paste them into options/blacklist. And click on save.

Misty
11-10-2006, 04:12 PM
Good to hear ! .

Add them to the blacklist FIRST, before u delete them.

Then go to options / white/blacklist and replace the front of the spam with *@ and click on save.
I had put them in rules with each rule having a part of the headers which kept repeating each day. That has worked really well. If any further problems from those then I will use the blacklist as well.



If u want I can email a list of what I have blacklisted. All u have to do, is copy and paste them into options/blacklist. And click on save.
I have put all of them into my options/blacklist just as you have said. Looking forward to the results !
thanks
Misty :thumbs:

Lovelee
11-10-2006, 04:34 PM
I use Mailwasher to eliminate this rubbish.
Its quite aggravating, many times MW freezes, so I open OE instead of MW and have to download 30 emails, 20 are rubbish.
It will never end AAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

:badpc:

B.M.
15-10-2006, 10:33 AM
Thanks Speedy. :thumbs:

PopTray seems to be working extra well.

Early days I guess, but only had one Spam message this morning. :thumbs:

Just wish it had a button that would let me detonate a nuclear warhead in their offices. :D