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lightfoot
22-08-2006, 11:26 PM
What is the best browser now? Opera gone free but it is still the best or it is Firefox now?

Speedy Gonzales
22-08-2006, 11:30 PM
Depends what features u like in both.

Only thing that doesnt work in FF for me, is the password thing doesnt work without using some kind of script first.

And Opera's tabs are better than FF's. At least u dont need plugins for Opera. For the tabs to work properly.

bob_doe_nz
22-08-2006, 11:32 PM
That will depend on your preferences.

Opera is supposed to be faster (though in what way I'm not sure) and supports Torrents as well as being customisable through widgets and features an inbuilt email program. Supports mouse gestures to speed up navigation.

Opera also features full compatibility with Web standards.



Firefox is a minimal browser that can be modified with the use of hundreds of extensions, doesnt quite have full compliance in standards but emails can be done separatly through Thunderbird, which is another Mozilla Product.

My personal preference is Firefox. :)

Either way, both kicks IE's arse and testicles if it had any. :rolleyes:

golfer
22-08-2006, 11:41 PM
Have tried both; like Opera better but have recently changed to SeaMonkey and think it beats them both. Fast loading and an excellent email included. Can't understand why more people don't use it (or if they do they don't sing it's praises very loudly!!!).For those that want them it also includes Chat and a Composer.

stu161204
23-08-2006, 01:31 AM
Either way, both kicks IE's arse and testicles if it had any. :rolleyes:

LOL :D

Dont you mean kicks IE's cyber butt? :D

gibler
23-08-2006, 01:35 AM
FF rocks so much I might even buy the T-shirt :)

Opera smells too commericial for me ... and nothing for OS X ..

Safari
23-08-2006, 07:52 AM
FF rocks so much I might even buy the T-shirt :)

Opera smells too commericial for me ... and nothing for OS X ..

There has been an OS X version available since 2003

netchicken
23-08-2006, 08:05 AM
Opera wins hands down for built in features, but firefox seems to be more geeky with lots of extensions that can be added.

I use opera, but miss Adblock in firefox. I also like the colored tabs extension in firefox as well.

lightfoot
23-08-2006, 08:39 AM
Don't know why my Opera is slower than Fire Fox. Any particular version of Opera is better, the free or pay versions?

lightfoot
23-08-2006, 09:03 AM
I like Opera tabs. It still loads the same tabs the next time Opera is opened, if the tabs were not closed before closing down Opera.

Any other browsers have this function?

netchicken
23-08-2006, 09:09 AM
Lightfoot get Opera 9, its the best version by far, and the fastest.

lightfoot
23-08-2006, 09:19 AM
I like Opera because it still opens the same tabs the next time it opens. Don't know if any other browsers do this.

JJJJJ
23-08-2006, 09:24 AM
IE 7 beta 3 is ten times better than Firefox. :2cents:

paulw
23-08-2006, 09:30 AM
IE 7 beta 3 is ten times better than Firefox. :2cents:
Oh dream on.. If it's so great how come you can't install it on Win2K??

gibler
23-08-2006, 09:45 AM
There has been an OS X version available since 2003

Ah, oops they talk about Mac OS, rather than Mac OS X and I was thinking of Mac OS classic.

JJJJJ
23-08-2006, 10:06 AM
Oh dream on.. If it's so great how come you can't install it on Win2K??

Win 2000 is six years old. Who cares about obsolute O/S's

Greg
23-08-2006, 02:09 PM
Why oh why doesn't anyone mention Mozilla. It's simply the best.

Myth
23-08-2006, 03:28 PM
Firefox for me. Have tried Opera9.. thought the torrent client was hopeless and minimal at best. Opera seems to open quicker than Firefox, but Firefox has more options (via the extensions) to build into it (not set like Opera's are). If Opera had plugins and extensions like Firefox, I would change in a minute

MyHost
23-08-2006, 03:55 PM
I like Opera because it still opens the same tabs the next time it opens. Don't know if any other browsers do this.
Firefox can do this with the "SessionSaver" extension :)

FoxyMX
23-08-2006, 04:30 PM
If Opera had plugins and extensions like Firefox, I would change in a minute
Opera is hugely customisable and on the Opera forums there is information on customising Opera to behave like a lot of Firefox's extensions and plugins. It is easily done and you don't have to keep updating them with every upgrade, unlike with Firefox. Opera can also do many things natively that you need extensions and plugins with Firefox to do and it's just a matter of discovering these features.

You won't get Adblock though but using a Hosts file or Proximitron (sp?) gets around that one.

Metla
23-08-2006, 04:37 PM
I know of a woman who switched to Opera, Her plants died, her cat ran away and her son joined the botty-boy brigade.

Shortcircuit
23-08-2006, 04:42 PM
I know of a woman who switched to Opera, Her plants died, her cat ran away and her son joined the botty-boy brigade.

Heck, there's hope for me yet... already killed the plants, cat's done a runner... but what's a botty boy (and would I be able to sing opera praises in a falsetto if I was one?) :dogeye:

Metla
23-08-2006, 04:46 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=botty+boy&defid=1093562

Used with great comic effect in the Ali G movie.

GhostBuster
23-08-2006, 04:47 PM
I have to say, I like the look and feel of Opera and speed however Mozilla firefox is the one for me, simply only because I have never had a page display wrong at all through Firefox and with Opera there is still to many I came across or was told my browser (useing opera) is not supported etc... When every page works / loooks right in Opera I would prob use it full time, untill then Firefox for me oh and also firefox's plugins r gr8 and new ones coming out all the time and much prefer firefox adblocks :)

my 2c

When I read that back to myself it felt as though I was saying all that in one breath lol

wmoore
23-08-2006, 05:02 PM
My vote goes to Firefox. I have tried Opera but I don't like the look or feel of opera. It just doesn't turn me on....I will admit the tabs are better in opera.
In firefox you need tabmix plus...To me opera is like a toyota lot's of features
(too bloated IMO) and reliable. Firefox is like an Alfa romeo heaps of fun to drive
but does break down at times.
Adblock plus is a must for firefox.

tweak'e
23-08-2006, 05:54 PM
You won't get Adblock though but using a Hosts file or Proximitron (sp?) gets around that one.


I use opera, but miss Adblock in firefox

operas version of adblock is "blocked content" and you can use wildcards to do generic blocking. its been around a while, just no GUI untill ver9. personally a host file is better than either as its system wide, it affects the whole pc not just one or two programs.


o..yeah.....opera is the BEST ! ! ! :thumbs:

but FF or mozilla will do ok..........anything is better than IE or the IE mods.

FoxyMX
23-08-2006, 06:20 PM
I know of a woman who switched to Opera, Her plants died, her cat ran away and her son joined the botty-boy brigade.
Yikes! I thought you were talking about me for a moment, until I got to the botty-boy brigade thing. :thumbs:

Metla
23-08-2006, 06:36 PM
Sorry to be the first to tell you......

Speedy Gonzales
23-08-2006, 09:41 PM
You won't get Adblock though but using a Hosts file or Proximitron (sp?) gets around that one.

If u want to block ads, just right mouse on the site / block content and block it. Thats if ur using v9+.

TGoddard
23-08-2006, 09:51 PM
I used to use Opera then switched to firefox a couple of years ago. Opera got me completely hooked on mouse gestures but on discovering a firefox extension which let me use them there the extensibility factor won me over.

P.S. To JJJJJ - You've said several times how much you like IE7. Just wondering what you liked about it and how you would compare the new features to other browsers.

It's good to see competition breaking the browser stagnation.

Greven
23-08-2006, 09:52 PM
If u want to block ads, just right mouse on the site / block content and block it. Thats if ur using v9+.
its about time they added that - the single most common complaint I've heard from people who have tried opera is that it required too much effort to block ads.

TGoddard
23-08-2006, 09:56 PM
Win 2000 is six years old. Who cares about obsolute O/S's

Windows XP is now 4 years, 10 months old. Is it any less obsolete?

tweak'e
23-08-2006, 10:09 PM
its about time they added that - the single most common complaint I've heard from people who have tried opera is that it required too much effort to block ads.
to be blunt, ad blocking in browser is not necessary. any half decent geek will do system based site blocking eg host file, firewall etc. the ads/spyware sites get blocked well before the browser.

My vote goes to Firefox. I have tried Opera but I don't like the look or feel of opera. you do know that almost everything is changeable? i personally don't like the look of default opera. i always mod it to my liking.

It's good to see competition breaking the browser stagnation. :thumbs:

Myth
24-08-2006, 04:11 AM
I remembered the main reason I disliked Opera, its not as customisable as FireFox, graphically, or certain features (like getting the Google toolbar to open a search in a background tab WITHOUT having to use mouse gestures or keyboard combinations (in other words, using right click menus)

Morgenmuffel
24-08-2006, 08:37 AM
to be blunt, ad blocking in browser is not necessary. any half decent geek will do system based site blocking eg host file, firewall etc. the ads/spyware sites get blocked well before the browser.

:thumbs:
I have used hosts files, since i found out about them, They have one BIG fault

I have hit a few pages where the link sends you to an address like


http://advertisingScum.com&target=http://Place_I_Want_to_go.com

And the hostsfile blocks it (as it should), but i have to manually edit the URL to get where i want, mind you adblock would probably do the same thing



As to Opera versus Firefox Versus IE

I am a Firefox user
I haven't tried IE 7 (but Anything would be an improvement on IE 6)

I have always had a soft spot for Opera, BUT there are a couple of Firefox extensions I couldn't do without, notably the web developer one and tab mix plus (which is essential for Firefox)

bob_doe_nz
24-08-2006, 10:07 AM
I still use Opera, for banking as well as testing web pages though thats about it.

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 10:48 AM
I remembered the main reason I disliked Opera, its not as customisable as FireFox, graphically, or certain features (like getting the Google toolbar to open a search in a background tab WITHOUT having to use mouse gestures or keyboard combinations (in other words, using right click menus)
I think you just haven't yet learnt how to customise or drive Opera properly yet. ;)

Does this (http://www.pegasus.icebytes.co.nz/miscell/images/opera-webdev.jpg) look anything like the default Opera install to you? If I could show you all the other customisations I have done I would but how I use Opera is probably totally different to how you use it. Customising it to your own preferences is a huge amount of fun and the Opera forums is full of great ideas and new tricks to try.

As for your Google toolbar issue I'm not really sure exactly what you want to do but I would be pretty certain Opera can do what you want. The right-click menu is quite extensive and you can add even more options if you wish. Right-clicking an image gives you this menu (http://www.pegasus.icebytes.co.nz/miscell/images/opera-rightclick-image.jpg) and right-clicking a link gives you this menu (http://www.pegasus.icebytes.co.nz/miscell/images/opera-rightclick-link.jpg). Is that what you mean?

If you like shortcut buttons you can get lots from this thread (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=145608) or even make your own on the page listed in the first post on that page.

This page here (http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/01/opera-and-firefox-extensions) gives the Opera equivalents of a small number of Firefox extensions.

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 10:51 AM
I have always had a soft spot for Opera, BUT there are a couple of Firefox extensions I couldn't do without, notably the web developer one and tab mix plus (which is essential for Firefox)
Nigel, have you checked out the Web Developer Toolbar & Menu (http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar) for Opera? Here (http://www.pegasus.icebytes.co.nz/miscell/images/opera-webdev.jpg) is a screenie showing a small part of it.

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 10:55 AM
If u want to block ads, just right mouse on the site / block content and block it. Thats if ur using v9+.
Ah, so you can. I just found the following info on this page (http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/01/opera-and-firefox-extensions):


Opera 9 offers an integrated ad blocker out-of-the-box. When you are on a page, just right-click on the page, and select “Block Content”. When you do this, the page greys out, and you can start clicking on images and plug-in content to block it. Holding down shift when clicking an image or plug-in content blocks that specific image/embedded object.

If you go to Tools -< Advanced -< Blocked content menu. You will be presented with a list of the already blocked content. You can edit or delete these entries, or add your own. The URL’s added uses simple wildcard syntax.

All I need do now is find some ads to try it out on <hugs Hosts file>. :D

Morgenmuffel
24-08-2006, 11:15 AM
Nigel, have you checked out the Web Developer Toolbar & Menu (http://operawiki.info/WebDevToolbar) for Opera? Here (http://www.pegasus.icebytes.co.nz/miscell/images/opera-webdev.jpg) is a screenie showing a small part of it.

That does look good, i'll have to give it a try this weekend
two quick questions though
does it allow you to outline elements eg tables, images, divs
does it allow you to edit CSS on the fly in the same way FF web dev extension does?

Cheers

Metla
24-08-2006, 12:25 PM
this (http://www.pegasus.icebytes.co.nz/miscell/images/opera-webdev.jpg) look anything like the default Opera install to you?

My god, That looks absolutly horrible.

rogerp
24-08-2006, 12:49 PM
Opera wins hands down in MHO

Pete O'Neil
24-08-2006, 01:38 PM
My god, That looks absolutly horrible.
Was just thinking the same thing, just in a slightly less polite way. :cool:

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 02:18 PM
My god, That looks absolutly horrible.
LMAO :D

I was trying to demonstrate functionality and features and the fact that Opera is highly customisable, not its (lack of) beauty. :rolleyes:

OK, so that skin/colour is probably one of the fugliest available but I chose it for its sleekness in order to maximise screen real estate. The last skin I had is much prettier and there are heaps of really nice ones available.

Beauty is only skin deep, guys, you're forgetting that. ;)

Erayd
24-08-2006, 02:24 PM
Beauty is only skin deep, guys, you're forgetting that.So are you denying the intrinsic beauty of well-written code?

Morgenmuffel
24-08-2006, 05:01 PM
Ok Foxy Mx

I'm stumped

Any Idea how i change the layout order of the toolbars

as i want it to be laid out more like my current firefox setup

http://nigel.geek.nz/browsers.gif

yes i know it is a bit cluttered, but i can get to pretty much everything i need in 2 clicks

Cheers

bob_doe_nz
24-08-2006, 05:42 PM
Beauty is only skin deep, guys, you're forgetting that. ;)
and ugly goes down to the bone. :lol:

Morgenmuffel
24-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Ok it is easy to make it layout similar to firefox, I just download a toolbar setup

but this toolbar setup doesn't work with the developer toolbar thingie

Hmmmm, more trawling of the opera forums is reguired

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Ok Foxy Mx

I'm stumped

Any Idea how i change the layout order of the toolbars

as i want it to be laid out more like my current firefox setup

http://nigel.geek.nz/browsers.gif

yes i know it is a bit cluttered, but i can get to pretty much everything i need in 2 clicks

Cheers
To move the tab bar underneath the others have a look at these two threads:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=152222 - second to last reply

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=143254

Hopefully they will help but personally, I prefer the tab bar down at the bottom of the window. ;)

The W.T.F. icon is the recycle bin. Click on it to retrieve pages you closed.

Not really sure what you are wanting to do with the items in the circled area on the menu bar. Never seen those before.

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 06:23 PM
So are you denying the intrinsic beauty of well-written code?
Never. :nerd:

BTW, I have prettied things up if you want to take another look. ;)

FoxyMX
24-08-2006, 06:25 PM
Ok it is easy to make it layout similar to firefox, I just download a toolbar setup

but this toolbar setup doesn't work with the developer toolbar thingie

Hmmmm, more trawling of the opera forums is reguired
:lol:

Don't know if it will be of any help or not but I just found this page (http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/operaStuff/otherBrowsers.html).


Developer toolbar? Ah, so that's what it is. It is different to what I have as mine is a drop-down menu, not a toolbar. Looks pretty neat though.