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newb.
27-03-2006, 06:56 AM
Quick question.

I know that MS publish operating systems, gaming consoles etc.. But I'm curious do they also manufacture computer systems? I've never seen any before, though a big company like themseleves, I'm confident that they probably do. Maybe they're linked with the computer manufacturer Gateway? That's just a guess.

Thanks.

pctek
27-03-2006, 09:33 AM
No they don't and never have.

SurferJoe46
27-03-2006, 11:05 AM
Micro$oft has had enough problems with anti-monopoly lawsuits and racketeering fines etc, and you think they should be in any way involved in getting into hot water this way?

Greven
27-03-2006, 11:11 AM
There isn't enough money in selling complete systems for Microsoft - the market is so competitive the big manufacturers barely make enough profit off each box to pay for 1 toll free tech support call by the customer.

Microsoft love their high profit software lines (Windows and Office) - after the initial investment, their software is almost all profit because of the minimal duplication & distrobution costs

kingdragonfly
27-03-2006, 01:13 PM
There's a hardware division at Micro$oft, but no complete systems. Probably the closest would be the various hardware for Media Center PC's.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/default.mspx

Laura
29-03-2006, 06:17 AM
Microsoft makes operating systems - not hardware. Other firms supply that.

Microsoft also provides program(me)s for those systems.

Some you may want & others you're stuck with.
That's because they're integrated with the operating system. All you can do is immobilise them, not remove them completely.

Microsoft decided software is where the money is, provided you capitalise on an early advantage with constant marketing.
That's been a very good choice for Bill Gates so far.

So why would he want to make hardware, when its faults are more conspicuous and more easily explained to the public?

Marketing skills alone can make a billionaire, irrespective of computer knowledge - together with a snippet or two of luck.

pctek
29-03-2006, 09:01 AM
Microsoft makes operating systems - not hardware.
To be correct, MS remakes O/Ss.

Greven
29-03-2006, 10:59 AM
To be correct, MS remakes O/Ss.
I heard a nasty rumour that NT was based on OS/2. Is that correct?

johnd
29-03-2006, 11:51 AM
I heard a nasty rumour that NT was based on OS/2. Is that correct?

Partly - I understand that when IBM and MS parted their ways over a disagreement over OS/2, the MS software engineers went back to MS and started on NT. I seem to remember that there were some court cases about this?

kingdragonfly
29-03-2006, 02:01 PM
You might be interested in "Pirates of Silicon Valley"
http://www.salon.com/tech/review/1999/06/17/pirates/print.html

"Gates, we're told, not only connived to get DOS for a pittance, but copied Apple's graphical interface for Windows. Jobs, in turn, had pilfered that same interface and the mouse from Xerox PARC."

Graham L
29-03-2006, 02:24 PM
I heard a nasty rumour that NT was based on OS/2. Is that correct?No, OS/2 is a good operating system. ;) It was going to be the operating system provided by MS and IBM as a cooperative thing. But MS taught IBM how much to trust a "partner" by releasing their own GUI based OS "Windows" before OS/2 was finished. (Of course, Windows wasn't finished either, but by version 3.00 it was almost usable.)

NT is said to be based on VAX/VMS, the mature DEC OS for the VAX midi computer range. MS headhunted the Dave Cutler ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT) from DEC. For a while he made noises about NT which was to be a real OS, with real security. Then he learned about MS and its ideas aboiut secure operating systems. gg (google.co.nz)

stu161204
29-03-2006, 02:25 PM
You might be interested in "Pirates of Silicon Valley"
http://www.salon.com/tech/review/1999/06/17/pirates/print.html

There was a movie on this as well I think....