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taly
14-10-2005, 02:55 AM
Hi there!
Is there such thing as Tablet that one can connect to PC,write on it and then use handwriting recognition, but not TabletPC, that costs $4000?

techie
14-10-2005, 08:37 AM
Pocket PCs.... not sure if that's what you're after. Palms, etc.

Lohsing
14-10-2005, 08:40 AM
Yes there is... although my father is using it to write Chinese, not English.

Still - the technology is there, so wouldn't surprise me if there was something for English as well!

Lo.

Speedy Gonzales
14-10-2005, 09:12 AM
Yup, you can get them from $85 - 440 or so $.

Like this one

http://www.edencomputers.co.nz/p.aspx?279308

techie
14-10-2005, 10:37 AM
Yup, you can get them from $85 - 440 or so $.

Like this one

http://www.edencomputers.co.nz/p.aspx?279308
Oh! Do you mean writing tablets? If so I can't recommend anything other than the Wacom range. Though slightly more expensive, they are top quality stuff. It can even recognise the handwriting of one of my friend, who qualifies as a disabled person requiring a specialist writer writing for him in exams -he's not disabled at all! That's how bad his writing his.

Metla
14-10-2005, 10:46 AM
You can get dedicated note noting pads at a fraction of the price of a wacom, some of them work completely indepentant of the computer, They are a4 size and have their own memory.

When your finished writing you can plug her into the USB and transfer your documents into the PC.

As for a graphics tablet, Mine cost $130, has 1024 levels of pressure, is 8x6, does hand-writing recognigtion and in the right hands can produce top quality artwork.(my artwork looks like finger painting time at the play centre.....)

Its not in the same class as a wacom, but its not in the same price bracket either, Approx $400 cheaper......

techie
14-10-2005, 12:40 PM
You can get dedicated note noting pads at a fraction of the price of a wacom, some of them work completely indepentant of the computer, They are a4 size and have their own memory.

When your finished writing you can plug her into the USB and transfer your documents into the PC.
Have you got any examples? I'm confused... never seen them before :blush:

Metla
14-10-2005, 12:52 PM
http://www.anywarenz.co.nz/cache/item-3142public.html


http://www.anywarenz.co.nz/cache/item-2585public.html?cache=no

http://www.anywarenz.co.nz/cache/item-3143public.html?cache=no

Poppa John
14-10-2005, 04:25 PM
http://www.anywarenz.co.nz/cache/item-3142public.html


http://www.anywarenz.co.nz/cache/item-2585public.html?cache=no

http://www.anywarenz.co.nz/cache/item-3143public.html?cache=no



I looked at DSE NZ site could not see any of them. Any idea of prices?? PJ

Metla
14-10-2005, 04:39 PM
DSE?

Meh, Those are products I sell.

And yes, I have an idea of price........

Poppa John
14-10-2005, 04:49 PM
DSE?

Meh, Those are products I sell.

And yes, I have an idea of price........


OK smarty pants, so ring me!!! It is not a toll call to Springvale. PJ

Poppa John
14-10-2005, 04:49 PM
Or PM me even.PJ

Metla
14-10-2005, 04:50 PM
Sure thing, Go stand by the phone and wait for my call.....

Metla
14-10-2005, 04:51 PM
Meh, I will have to query the price, they are outside my usual lines.



Actually, I have the catologe right beside me, Ill have a squizz.

Poppa John
14-10-2005, 06:49 PM
Metla, PM recd. Too rich for me, thanks anyway. PJ

taly
16-10-2005, 10:51 AM
Hi guys! First thanks.
Now, I have handwriting recognition on in my Office word. To input it requires a tablet. I thought I can scan handwritten text from paper and aply to it recogn and it will convert it to type. Alternative to get a tablet for less then 100$,say, DSE, they are open on sundays.

What do u think?

Shortcircuit
16-10-2005, 11:58 AM
I got an 'el cheapo' tablet from DSE (under $100)... haven't used it with any hand writing software, but it's great for drawing and good resolution/pen sensitivity. I'd say try that before you blow $400 odd on a Wacom.

Poppa John
16-10-2005, 04:02 PM
Hi guys! First thanks.
Now, I have handwriting recognition on in my Office word. To input it requires a tablet. I thought I can scan handwritten text from paper and aply to it recogn and it will convert it to type. Alternative to get a tablet for less then 100$,say, DSE, they are open on sundays.

What do u think?


I have office word as well. Did you put the Word recognition on, or was it there already? if it IS there already, where do I find it. PJ

Metla check your PM's. PJ

Poppa John
16-10-2005, 04:10 PM
Metla .... you have no PM space left. I cannot PM you. PJ

Speedy Gonzales
16-10-2005, 04:13 PM
In Office XP.

To add handwriting recognition

Handwriting recognition is normally added automatically as a text service when it is installed. Use this procedure only if it you removed it as a text service and want to re-add it.

Right-click the Language bar.
Click Settings.
Under Installed services, click Add.
In the Add Input Language dialog box, click the language for which you want to install handwriting recognition in the Input language list.
Select the Handwriting recognition check box, and then click an option in the list.
Important

Handwriting recognition engines are language-specific. The first five Microsoft engines that are available are Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, English, Japanese, and Korean. Engines for other languages will become available.
Notes

The handwriting recognition engine must be installed on your computer before you can add it as a text service. For information about installing the engine, click Related Topics.
Remove handwriting recognition if you are not using it; it uses computer memory and can slow performance.
If a language does not appear in the Input language list, the fonts for that language might not be installed. For information about installing East Asian and complex script languages, click Related Topics.
If you are using a tablet computer, you can use Tablet PC Input Panel for handwriting and speech tasks. For more information about Input Panel, click Related Topics.

Speedy Gonzales
16-10-2005, 04:32 PM
I should have added this bit

Install handwriting recognition

This feature is available in the Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, English, Japanese, and Korean language versions of Microsoft Office.

On the Microsoft Windows Start menu, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

Double-click Add/Remove Programs.

Click Change or Remove Programs, select Microsoft Office XP, and then click Change.

Click Add or Remove Features, and then click Next.

Under Features to install, next to Office Shared Features, click .

Next to Alternative User Input, click , click Handwriting, and then select the type of installation you want.

Click Update.

Metla
16-10-2005, 04:47 PM
Metla .... you have no PM space left. I cannot PM you. PJ


Doing it now.

taly
16-10-2005, 05:29 PM
I have office word as well. Did you put the Word recognition on, or was it there already? if it IS there already, where do I find it. PJ

Metla check your PM's. PJ
I have office 2003 and it has Speech recognition and handwriting rec as well. It has to be installed through control panel Speech icon

godfather
16-10-2005, 06:36 PM
PJ, speech recognition is included as part of Office 2003.

Not in any earlier versions.

I think it may work for Taly, but my 2 finger typing is still much faster for me...

Speedy Gonzales
16-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Speech recog is also in Office XP. Well it installed from the cd on the hdd here. As well as handwriting recognition.

The option is in Tools/Speech in Word. It'll ask u to put the cd in to install the files for it.

godfather
16-10-2005, 06:50 PM
Quite right.
I should have said Office 2002 onwards.

Poppa John
16-10-2005, 07:59 PM
Just one more question to get it clear in my mind.
When you write or print on the pad, is that what appears on the PC Monitor? Or does the writing/printing translate to typed text?
Ok thats two questions. Thanks PJ

Taly.... Thanks for the use of your thread. PJ

Poppa John
17-10-2005, 09:21 PM
Metla.. I hereby admit that you are a far, far, far better computor expert than I will ever be.
It is installed, the arrow moves with the pen, but nothing appears on screen. What am I missing. PJ

Speedy Gonzales
17-10-2005, 09:29 PM
You mean with a tablet?? Did u install the handwriting recog??

Metla
17-10-2005, 09:43 PM
Metla.. I hereby admit that you are a far, far, far better computor expert than I will ever be.
It is installed, the arrow moves with the pen, but nothing appears on screen. What am I missing. PJ

In which program?

Fire up the coral Painter program bundled with it and see if you can paint, try it with the mouse and the brush.

This will at least tell you if its working correctly.There is also a tablet icon in your task bar to set it up

A couple of those little programs that came with it let you write messages but I dont think they convert to text.

Moving onto Office....Um......This thread knows more then I, did you do as suggested above?, The handwriting to text module of Office wasn't installed by default on mine.




For everyone else, I lent PJ my tablet to see if it would fit his needs, I didn't sell him an item that wasn't upto the job.....

Poppa John
17-10-2005, 09:54 PM
In which program?

Fire up the coral Painter program bundled with it and see if you can paint, try it with the mouse and the brush.

This will at least tell you if its working correctly.There is also a tablet icon in your task bar to set it up

A couple of those little programs that came with it let you write messages but I dont think they convert to text.

Moving onto Office....Um......This thread knows more then I, did you do as suggested above?, The handwriting to text module of Office wasn't installed by default on mine.




For everyone else, I lent PJ my tablet to see if it would fit his needs, I didn't sell him an item that wasn't upto the job.....



Yes this is correct. Metla was kind enough to LEND me his one. The fault is NOT his but as usual IS mine.

Poppa John
17-10-2005, 10:00 PM
Metla.......... The programme was Word. I tried it in Corel but the same. Arrow Or Pen moves around, but nowt happens.


Speedy ...Upon CD Install, I was asked to 'Annotate All' & 'Annotate word'. I assummed that this was all that was required.. I have read thro the thread again. Maryann has copy/pasted your instructions re Word. I will attempt to navigate my way thro it..
Is there anything I should be aware of before I start?? PJ

Speedy Gonzales
17-10-2005, 10:09 PM
Eh? Annotate what lol.

I didnt see that bit, when I went to add/remove programs, put the cd in and selected handwriting recog.

Nope, nothing else I am aware of. Besides what i posted previously.

Poppa John
17-10-2005, 10:15 PM
Speedy.... Ok Thanks, will give it a go in the morning.. Pretty tired now, my head is nodding worse than an ex TV1 news lady. PJ.

Poppa John
17-10-2005, 10:21 PM
One more thing, I put the Office Proff 2003 CD in & there was no mention of Recognition. Did you mean the XP CD? PJ

Poppa John
17-10-2005, 10:25 PM
I will say it again. Metla did not sell me a Duff Tablet... He Lent me his own. That it is not working is down to me, not him. He demonstrated it in the shop & it worked fine there. Once again PJ's ineptitude shows thro. ( I am not a bad speller tho, eh.) PJ :blush: :blush:

Speedy Gonzales
17-10-2005, 10:55 PM
Umm not too sure if Office 2003 is the same as Office XP.

In Office XP, you HAVE to go to add/remove programs FIRST.

Then click on the MS office 2003 entry and click on change (on the right).

Then put the office 2003 cd in then do what I posted previously about installing Handwriting recog.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 09:42 AM
Umm not too sure if Office 2003 is the same as Office XP.

In Office XP, you HAVE to go to add/remove programs FIRST.

Then click on the MS office 2003 entry and click on change (on the right).

Then put the office 2003 cd in then do what I posted previously about installing Handwriting recog.



We have XP Home 2002. Office Proff Edition 2003
What is the difference between Office 2003 & Office XP. Did not know of Office XP. PJ

Speedy Gonzales
18-10-2005, 09:47 AM
I wouldnt have a clue what the diff is, between Office 2002 (office XP), and Office 2003.

Most probably a few extra options somewhere. I haven't got Office 2003. To see what the differences are.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 10:04 AM
I wouldnt have a clue what the diff is, between Office 2002 (office XP), and Office 2003.

Most probably a few extra options somewhere. I haven't got Office 2003. To see what the differences are.


Ok I am about to give it another go as per your instructions above. If that fails I will throw a wobbly & return it to Metla. But..... which Language bar are you referring to? PJ

Speedy Gonzales
18-10-2005, 10:11 AM
Can you see EN on the taskbar?? On the right?? Near the < ?

Thats the language bar. Right mouse on it and select settings.

Or if EN isnt there, go to control panel / regional and language options / languages tab / click on details.

Then preferences / language bar on the bottom, tick show the language bar on the desktop.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 10:29 AM
Can you see EN on the taskbar?? On the right?? Near the < ?

Thats the language bar. Right mouse on it and select settings.

Or if EN isnt there, go to control panel / regional and language options / languages tab / click on details.

Then preferences / language bar on the bottom, tick show the language bar on the desktop.

Ok I have done the above. The handwriting check box is greyed out. Now what?

Sorry to come across as monumentally thick. PJ

Speedy Gonzales
18-10-2005, 10:34 AM
You haveta do this, to install Handwriting Recog, as in my previous post.

This feature is available in the Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, English, Japanese, and Korean language versions of Microsoft Office.

On the Microsoft Windows Start menu, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.

Double-click Add/Remove Programs.

Click Change or Remove Programs, select Microsoft Office XP (or 2003), and then click Change.

Click Add or Remove Features, and then click Next.

Under Features to install, next to Office Shared Features, click .

Next to Alternative User Input, click , click Handwriting, and then select the type of installation you want. Change it to run from computer.

Click Update.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 11:27 AM
Speedy. Have done the above & there is definite change. So I guess this computer is ready for the tablet..



Should I now continue with You or Metla??

Thankyou for so far. PJ

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 12:55 PM
Speedy. Have done the above & there is definite change. So I guess this computer is ready for the tablet..



Should I now continue with You or Metla??

Thankyou for so far. PJ

Upon reflection , that sounds like ingratitude, but it is not intended as such. Just that Metla HAS installed the tablet on his own computor PJ

Speedy Gonzales
18-10-2005, 02:07 PM
Ummm, not too sure what to do now, I havent got a tablet myself (yet).

Try opening Word and use the tablet. Does it do anything??

Right mouse on the language bar on the taskbar / restore the language bar / then left mouse on handwriting (You may have to open Word to see the handwriting option in the language bar). Select writing pad, write anywhere, or drawing pad... Then try doing something on the tablet.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 03:26 PM
Yahoo, MSN, Google & other exclamations.
I can now make 'Marks" on a word page. Looks like a drunken spider crawling around. I can see that I will have to learn to write all over again. Any idea how to turn this scribble into text?? PJ

Speedy Gonzales
18-10-2005, 03:31 PM
It'll be easier to run Word.

Go to help / select MS Word help, and type in Handwriting recognition PJ..

There's a few options to pick from, in Word help.

godfather
18-10-2005, 03:41 PM
Any idea how to turn this scribble into text?? PJ

You need to take a large glass of neat whisky before breakfast PJ, it will help steady your hand for the rest of the day.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010347351033.aspx
My PocketPC running Windows does handwriting recognition, and its reasonably accurate (for hand "printing", not good with cursive script) but its still way short of typing speed and accuracy for me.

My Palm also is quite accurate and somewhat faster but you need to relearn the way you write.

I have a tablet and Office 2003, but have never had the need to try to use them.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 04:11 PM
You need to take a large glass of neat whisky before breakfast PJ, it will help steady your hand for the rest of the day.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/assistance/HA010347351033.aspx
My PocketPC running Windows does handwriting recognition, and its reasonably accurate (for hand "printing", not good with cursive script) but its still way short of typing speed and accuracy for me.

My Palm also is quite accurate and somewhat faster but you need to relearn the way you write.

I have a tablet and Office 2003, but have never had the need to try to use them.



A large glass of whisky would put me to sleep for the rest of the day !!!!!
I have 'Written" some words & saved them to a Word .doc.. Changing it to text still eludes me. Imust persevere, as this may cut out one process in my book writing. I expect to have to fine tune it, if that is possible, for speed & accuracy. I am very hit & miss with making it work so far. It is never as simple as the "Blurb" says it is.
PJ

taly
18-10-2005, 05:02 PM
I got an 'el cheapo' tablet from DSE (under $100)... haven't used it with any hand writing software, but it's great for drawing and good resolution/pen sensitivity. I'd say try that before you blow $400 odd on a Wacom.
Hi Shortie! Thanks. Bought DSE tablet, but have not unpacked it yet. On the box it sais not about using it for converting to type.
Just wonder if any tablet in this moment in time gives acceptable results in conversion. But drawing also is interesting. Albeit Microsoft, I think, in word, has "convert" command. I assume they tried.

Thanks to all joined the thread.

Graham L
18-10-2005, 05:20 PM
Handwriting recognition is difficult. The Palm Graffiti is a good system because it trains the user to use its special character forms. With practice, you can get fast accurate entry. Free-form writing is much more of a programming problem.

I use a writing tablet. It doesn't need batteries, or MS Office. Warehouse Stationery often sell the last of a year's diaries for $1. :D With one of those and a pencil or pen you have a great information storage device. The major trouble is that I can't read my own writing. What chance would software have?

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 05:55 PM
Graham That is what I do now. My writing is almost illegible. My printing is better. I write on lined paper on a clip board. When the mood is on me I scribble words down as fast as I can. Then when the Brain Ink runs out, I type it into Word. I am trying to shorten the process. I could just "Speak" it into the computer. One day a good enough programme will exist. Or speak into a "voice recorder" of some type. But then I still have to type it into Word. Not easy. PJ

Speedy Gonzales
18-10-2005, 06:00 PM
Office 2002 and most probably Office 2003 support speech recognition and handwriting recognition. I tried the Speech recognition in Word 2002 yesterday.

All you have to do is install the Speech engine, from within Word / Tools menu / Speech, and then get a mic and configure the mic / speech wizard to use it.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 06:24 PM
Office 2002 and most probably Office 2003 support speech recognition and handwriting recognition. I tried the Speech recognition in Word 2002 yesterday.

All you have to do is install the Speech engine, from within Word / Tools menu / Speech, and then get a mic and configure the mic / speech wizard to use it.


I have tried that, albeit with a Yorkshire accent. Had to stop after a while. Maryann would persist in giggling. It has to be very quiet for it to work.

So for the moment I will keep trying with the Tablet.

I have got Wtiting & Printing on screen, but cannot make it change to text. I am obviously missing that one piece of program.

A thought...... For speech recog you have to train the computor by speaking the 'training passages' in it. Wouldn't writing recog nead some thing similar?? PJ

Metla
18-10-2005, 06:44 PM
Graham That is what I do now. My writing is almost illegible. My printing is better. I write on lined paper on a clip board. When the mood is on me I scribble words down as fast as I can. Then when the Brain Ink runs out, I type it into Word. I am trying to shorten the process. I could just "Speak" it into the computer. One day a good enough programme will exist. Or speak into a "voice recorder" of some type. But then I still have to type it into Word. Not easy. PJ


Perhaps you could just speak into into....Maryann who could type it up in word, I hear she is very fast..... :xmouth:

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 06:47 PM
Just to muddy the waters a bit. I keep getting this error message.

ERROR MESSAGE.... The command cannot be performed because a dialog box is open. Click Ok, & then close dialog boxes to continue.

There are no apparent dialog boxes showing open. PJ

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 07:55 PM
Hi Shortie! Thanks. Bought DSE tablet, but have not unpacked it yet. On the box it sais not about using it for converting to type.
Just wonder if any tablet in this moment in time gives acceptable results in conversion. But drawing also is interesting. Albeit Microsoft, I think, in word, has "convert" command. I assume they tried.

Thanks to all joined the thread.


I would be interested in your experiences at setting yours up. Have you done it yet?? PJ

godfather
18-10-2005, 08:11 PM
Just to muddy the waters a bit. I keep getting this error message.

ERROR MESSAGE.... The command cannot be performed because a dialog box is open. Click Ok, & then close dialog boxes to continue.

There are no apparent dialog boxes showing open. PJ

Minimise any open windows, the dialogue box will probably be under the window that is currently active.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 08:47 PM
SUCCESS ...sort of. I have got it working. More by a fluke than anything. I went into Word on-line help & printed all the info on handwriting Recog. Found info about :Writing Pad" & "Write Anywhere". I followed these instructions & hey presto. Bloody hilarious tho. The quality of the writing is obviously important. I cannot see any "Training Programme" anywhere. PJ

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 09:23 PM
An Observation..... When you use a camere with shaky hands you will get a blurred picture. I guess the same applies to using A Tablet Pen...Shaky writing in = crap text out. Yes it does work, obviously I have to work on my 'Hand to eye to screen' co-ordination.


To all the Patient Helpers, Thankyou.

To Tally, Thankyou for the use of your thread.

Poppa John :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Metla
18-10-2005, 09:35 PM
Well, That saves me a visit over the weekend, Figured a few days of tinkering by yourself would bring results.(and Speedy was obviously a high value contributer to the cause :thumbs: )

Now all you have to do is practice and see if it works to a reasonable standard.

I would however imagine one of the dedicated writing tablets (like I linked to earlier) would do a better job then one designed to replicate brush strokes.

Also, you can set the working pressure of the pen in the taskbar applet to a level more natural to your normal use of a pen.

godfather
18-10-2005, 09:45 PM
Shaky writing in = crap text out. Poppa John :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Remember PJ, I told you about the Whisky. Stops the shakes, but did you believe me? No.

Poppa John
18-10-2005, 09:54 PM
Well, That saves me a visit over the weekend, Figured a few days of tinkering by yourself would bring results.(and Speedy was obviously a high value contributer to the cause :thumbs: )

Now all you have to do is practice and see if it works to a reasonable standard.

I would however imagine one of the dedicated writing tablets (like I linked to earlier) would do a better job then one designed to replicate brush strokes.

Also, you can set the working pressure of the pen in the taskbar applet to a level more natural to your normal use of a pen.


Nothing stopping you visiting, Friend, there is cold stuff in the fridge.
Try me with a site for the dedicated one & a price, please. PJ

taly
27-10-2005, 07:11 AM
Hi guys! I am back.

Got myself a Tablet, Wacom, for 122$ Nz and it does the job. But probably needs training and getting used to.

Poppa John
28-10-2005, 09:23 PM
Hi guys! I am back.

Got myself a Tablet, Wacom, for 122$ Nz and it does the job. But probably needs training and getting used to.


I took the one I was using back to Metla. Nothing wrong with IT, just me. It IS capable of doing the job, but you need reasonably good handwriting. Writing seemed to work better than printing. My handwriting is even worse than a Doctors prescription. (Are they trained to write like that?) So now I am back to pen & paper.
I am sure that in the near future both Speech & Handwriting programmes will be the norm, maybe not in my lifetime tho.
Where can I get a "HAL" computor??? Thanks all. PJ