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Myth
01-08-2005, 07:32 PM
A friend of mine is thinking of loaning me his MS Flight Sim 2004 discs so I can check out the game, and use it for a week or so.
I am wondering, will my grafix card (nVidia GeForce4 MX440) handle the game ok?
The MS site says yes, but I was wondering has anyone used this grafix card with this type of game?
My mate has also offered the short term use of his joystick, should I use it, or is the keyboard better?

My system also has a 2.6 P4 with 512MB RAM on a MSI P4MAM mobo

Neil McC
01-08-2005, 08:06 PM
Shuld run fine.The boy has it running on an 800Mhz pc. And the joystick is easier to use.

JJJJJ
01-08-2005, 09:50 PM
Joystick is necessary. Keyboard is completely and utterly useless for the game.
Your comp. will run it OK, but you will not get anyway near good graphics.

Elephant
01-08-2005, 10:08 PM
So I take it that this is a borrowed copy?

MSFlightSim is not shareware for your information.

Those of us who go down to the shop and BUY MS Software pay the retail price and install it after very carefully checking the fine print on the outside of the box before we buy it.

Microsoft have been known to understate the REAL specifications you need to play the game and ENJOY it.

However I do not condone software piracy which is what I think you are trying to do with a friends' copy.

If all people actually bought the software then there is a chance that the price will actually come down.

At this place I run MS Flight Sim (an older version) on a AMD3200+ with 1 Gig RAM and on board graphics for the moment. Two other Microsoft Games I run quite happily are Links2001 and Crimson Skies.

Myth
01-08-2005, 10:13 PM
However I do not condone software piracy which is what I think you are trying to do with a friends' copy.If I was going to rip it, I wouldn't rip my mates copy. I know that its not shareware, but if hes uninstalled it, and I use it for a short time then uninstall it, then theres no harm done. I had intended (if all had gone well) to find a copy on TradeMe



Microsoft have been known to understate the REAL specifications you need to play the game and ENJOY it.I know this, they did it with their O/S's. This is why I asked the question

Thanx JJJJ and Neil Mc

Elephant
01-08-2005, 10:24 PM
If I was going to rip it, I wouldn't rip my mates copy. I know that its not shareware, but if hes uninstalled it, and I use it for a short time then uninstall it, then theres no harm done. I had intended (if all had gone well) to find a copy on TradeMe


I know this, they did it with their O/S's. This is why I asked the question

Thanx JJJJ and Neil Mc

Yes but you had not mentioned what your intentions were in the first post which is why I asked the question. Nowhere in your post did you say that your Mate was going to uninstall did you?

Myth
01-08-2005, 10:26 PM
Yes but you had not mentioned what your intentions were in the first post which is why I asked the question. Nowhere in your post did you say that your Mate was going to uninstall did you?This is true, but then you assumed before I made myself clear.

A wise man once say... assumption is the mother of all cock-ups

Biggles
02-08-2005, 12:16 AM
So, having established that Tazz is operating on try-before-you-buy and is not in fact, running an MSFS bulk pirating operation out of his garage, we move on to the important stuff ....

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/taranaki.jpg

.... namely that to crank up FS and enjoy it, you've got to spend a bit of dosh. The MX440 will work - I used to run it on a Ti4400 until it died quite recently -- but you won't enjoy hight frame rates, high resolution or anti-aliasing.

Also, you'll want to install at least the free NZ mesh files from Christian Stock/Geographx:

http://www.geographx.co.nz/products_msfs.html

to make the countryside have proper features.

Plus you'll want Stock's Landclass files, which make the defacto terrain textures match up better with the actual features of NZ (forests where there are forests, for exmaple):

http://www.redbarent.com/nzmesh-support.htm

Neil McC
02-08-2005, 08:53 AM
Just looking at your article in PC World,Bruce. I assume that the 20 meter(?) options are better than 40 etc, in that the detail is better closer up,correct?
And I assume the web sites give instructions on where to save these files to?
Thanks.

Jester
02-08-2005, 09:27 AM
The RedBaron 75m Mesh is free, and there are instructions in the file where to put it. The 40 and 20 metre meshs are payware. The figure (150 / 75 / 40 etc relates to the accuracy of the contours on horizontal points, ie the elevation is sampled every 150 / 75 / 40 metres across the ground, so you are more likely to get sharper points on mountains the smaller the mesh is.

Heres a shot looking down on Taranaki with the 75m mesh and Godzone scenery.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/nz033/misc/egmont_sml.jpg

And some of my pics, that need updating:

Gallery (http://www.mattz.co.nz/gallery/)

Neil McC
02-08-2005, 09:42 AM
Thanks Jester.I've downed some pdf's and now to get the 75m mesh and have a play.

Biggles
02-08-2005, 09:49 AM
The 75m is pretty good. Prior to getting the new 20m I had Christian's old 40m mesh and the differences between 40m and 20m are much more subtle, than the differences bewteen the 150m and 75m meshes. Personally I like every extra bit of resolution.

I'm testing a nw add-on from Christian which he'll be releasing soon (payware) which is extremely cool - his topographical enhancement for all of NZ which fixes coastline shapes, lake and river levels, adds oodles of rivers (think of a little creek you know and it's probably there) plus adds roads all over NZ. Combined with the new mesh and his landclass files it makes for a really spectacular sim. I might post some screenies if he gives me permission.

Myth
02-08-2005, 09:52 AM
Sweet
Thanx for the links too Bruce :)

If I get anywhere near that type of resolution that I have seen, I am going to have an enjoyable time with this game :cool:

I just hope my fps speed is not too low

JJJJJ
02-08-2005, 09:58 AM
I have the 20M Mesh and I think it's wonderful. It's well worth paying for. Twice as good as the 75. It even shows the craters on Mt.Tarawera.
Another piece of payware that I would reccomend is Real NZ Auckland City.
Between the two I would say I am getting closer to photo quality. There's still a little way to go though.
In reply to Elephant's comments. To play FS 2004 you must keep disk 4 in your computer. So there's no point in loading a borrowed copy if you don't have the disks. Likewise it can only be played on one comp. at a time.

So there's nothing wrong with what Tazz is going to do.

But if he likes it and gets serious about it I would suggest he gets a new video card. and a more powerful cpu and a .... and a .....

Jester
02-08-2005, 10:01 AM
FS is an interesting application as far as FPS goes. You do not have to have a high FPS to get the most out of it. It's not like you need quick reflexes and screen updates to spot an enemy and shoot them before they get you, like many games.

I have my fps locked at 25. I can get upwards of 60 but I prefer to have the PC concentrate on scenery and effects more than a high FPS. 25 is perfectly smooth, it's not until you get down to say 15-10 that it gets stuttery. By all means use the FPS as a benchmark for you but overall it's not the be all and end all.

PS: Any of you guys fly on Vatsim? Let me know if so, could do a trip somewhere together.

Biggles
02-08-2005, 11:01 AM
FS is an interesting application as far as FPS goes. You do not have to have a high FPS to get the most out of it. It's not like you need quick reflexes and screen updates to spot an enemy and shoot them before they get you, like many games.

I have my fps locked at 25. I can get upwards of 60 but I prefer to have the PC concentrate on scenery and effects more than a high FPS. 25 is perfectly smooth, it's not until you get down to say 15-10 that it gets stuttery. By all means use the FPS as a benchmark for you but overall it's not the be all and end all.

I agree but there does come a point where you need to mantain a reasonable FPS. With the video card Tazz has got, he won't maintain 25fps excpet by lowering resoultion, having no anti-aliasing, and minimising the use of clouds, for example - all things that add to the feel of the game. Plus, the more detailed meshes add complexity that can hit FPS as well - just try loading up the 40m mesh then flying up high over the Southern Alps for exmaple, so you can see a lot of complex terrain detail.

With my old T14400 128MB, I got FPS as low as 10 because I chose to have as much visual quality as I could handle and you definately notice that low a FPS, even without it being a combat sim. I'm very happy with my $300 Nvidia 6600 card though - I'm running at 1152 x 864, complex scenery, anti-aliasing and it still fows nicely.

Metla
02-08-2005, 11:12 AM
What do you do in a game with nothing to shoot at?

I'm serious, Do you play the game from the cockpit view and look at a distant horizen or spend the majority of the time above the aircraft looking down at the scenery?

Biggles
02-08-2005, 11:47 AM
What do you do in a game with nothing to shoot at?

I'm serious, Do you play the game from the cockpit view and look at a distant horizen or spend the majority of the time above the aircraft looking down at the scenery?

You fly. Just fly. From here to there. Then back again. I have to admit that FS is almost the only game I play that doesn't have a weapon of some type.

Metla
02-08-2005, 12:10 PM
I have a cunning plan.

Nature Walk sim.

Walk through the glorious terrain of NZ without leaving your computer.Mountains in the distance,sunshine reflecting off the nearby lakes, birds singing in the native bush...


....and every three miles an activist leaps out and demands all whities get off their land,at which time the player must pull out a cheque book and pay them off.....


Muhahahahaha

heaton
02-08-2005, 12:14 PM
Bruce, Very interested in what is called MESH. What does it mean by 75m and 150m mesh and is it very difficult to install ?
I tried some years ago to put in some NZ scenery from a couple of chaps in Christchurchy and ended up in one hell of a mess, so your advice would be appreciated.

Biggles
02-08-2005, 12:42 PM
Bruce, Very interested in what is called MESH. What does it mean by 75m and 150m mesh and is it very difficult to install ?
I tried some years ago to put in some NZ scenery from a couple of chaps in Christchurchy and ended up in one hell of a mess, so your advice would be appreciated.

Basically, to create the vertical shape of the terrain in FS - the hills, mountains valleys etc -- the sim uses what is known as a mesh. Imagine a grid - a mesh - and at each point on that grid you have a piece of elevation data saying that a this point the land is this high. The sim basically then joins the dots between those points, so that if point A is 75m above sea level and point B is 20 m above sea level the sim assumes a gradual decline in elevation between points A and B, creating a slope.

Now the smaller the scale of that grid - i.e the less distance between points A and B -- the more accurate the result will be when the Sim joins the dots.

The "default" resolution for most of the terrain (the entire world) depicted in FS "out of the box" is a bit over 1km. In some places they used a higher res but for NZ that's about what it is. (higher res data takes up a lot more space).

Now with NZ that creates some serious problems. For example, when your mesh/grid points are 1km apart, it effectively smoothes out the terrain because it knows nothing about changes in elevation between Point A and B between that 1km distance between them. Auckland's volcanic cones become slight bumps, the Southern Alps become rolling hills. In NZ, elevation can change dramatically over 1km.

What these add-in mesh files do is reduce the distance between sampling points from 1km to 175m, 75m, 40m or 20m depending on which one you use. And at each higher resolution the result gets closer and closer to displaying the landform as it really is.

Installing the meshes isn't hard - the new ones come with an auto-installer that does it for you and there is a PDF manual here that covers what you need to do after running the installer (also included in the mesh download):

http://www.geographx.co.nz/downloads/manual.pdf

Safari
02-08-2005, 01:04 PM
What do you do in a game with nothing to shoot at?

I'm serious, Do you play the game from the cockpit view and look at a distant horizen or spend the majority of the time above the aircraft looking down at the scenery?

Flt Sims are not games, they are a real life experience.
There can be a great deal of satisfaction in mastering the controls of a modern complex aircraft and aviation enthusiasts can get as much satisfaction in completing an ILS approach into a busy airport or experiencing how a vintage aircraft handles as others get from the less intellectual shotup type games.

Metla
02-08-2005, 01:08 PM
Are you a joke?

I spend a great deal of time on race-sims where years of effort have gone into simulating real worl pyhsics,conditions,cars and tracks.

These are still games, as is a flight sim.If you think a flight-sim is a real world experience you need to get out more.

I didn't ask what got your rocks off,but simply what the player did in flight.

Safari
02-08-2005, 01:29 PM
Are you a joke?

I spend a great deal of time on race-sims where years of effort have gone into simulating real worl pyhsics,conditions,cars and tracks.

These are still games, as is a flight sim.If you think a flight-sim is a real world experience you need to get out more.

I didn't ask what got your rocks off,but simply what the player did in flight.

You obviously like to keep your feet on the ground, try rising above it sometime.

Some flt sims are approved by FAA, they don't approve games as a means to obtain an instrument rating.
http://www.x-plane.com/FTD.html

Jester
02-08-2005, 01:48 PM
LOL Metla, that's the last time I offer you advice on how to be a Medic in BF2 ... now you'll want to really be a medic instead of 'pretending'! :eek:

Anyway, I find Flight Simming to be a great hobby. I am interested in planes, and get a great deal of enjoyment from the following:

Starting up one from cold, fuel and pax load correct, setting the headings, frequencies for the navigation (VOR/DME/ADF etc), planning my route according to the recognised routes from the charts, tuning the controller frequencies to talk to ATC to gain flight clearance, departing, flying the approved departure route, changing to other ATC's in flight, talking to other people from all around the world wither in voice orin text during the flight (try Vatsim, it's awesome) co-ordinating approach according to the standard approach procedures, landing with help from the plane's automatic glidescope systems, plane's flaps and throttle control, once landed, requesting taxi to the apron, closing off the flight plan, shutting down the plane, logging the flight with all details of time, speed, fuel, altitude, pax etc.

I guess you wont be joining me in a 3 hour trip to Aussie then?

The controllers are real people on Vatism (http://vatsim.net/), as are other pilots. Many are in the aviation industry or have been. You speak to them, learn from them, achieve results with them.

I am part of an international Virtual Airline that means that I talk to and text communicate with people worldwide, in flight and in forums, and have made some great online friendships. As opposed to the likes of BF/CS etc, these guys are usually in the 30's and over, rather than whiny 12 year olds.

It's whatever floats your boat really, and offers escapism for me.

Now stop stirring! lol

Biggles
02-08-2005, 01:49 PM
Plus, once you've got all these add-ons you can take a virtual holiday around NZ. Cheaper than the real thing and you get to control the weather ....

Jester
02-08-2005, 01:55 PM
Nah, I use Activesky for the weather, accurate metars and helps performance by taking over the rendering of clouds, rain etc from FS.

Safari
02-08-2005, 02:19 PM
For Metla
When once you have tasted flight you will always walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward; for there you have been and there you will always be."

Leonardo da Vinci

For those into Flt Sims you might be interested in this site.
http://www.stoenworks.com/Aviation%20home%20page.html
Scroll to the bottom to the tutorials, there is a mass of flight instruction and information about instruments, nav and coms and various instrument approaches.

Metla
02-08-2005, 02:28 PM
Three posts because you think your game is a real world experience?


Keep it up, though your due to make another amazing post about correct spelling sometime soon.

Great quote btw,means nothing but shows that you aren't capable of wit or insight yourself, quote away tiny one.

Safari
02-08-2005, 02:32 PM
Three posts because you think your game is a real world experience?


Keep it up, though your due to make another amazing post about correct spelling sometime soon.

Great quote btw,means nothing but shows that you aren't capable of wit or insight yourself, quote away tiny one.

Mods - There is no need to ban Metla for breaking the rules I am not offended, just amused really.

Biggles
02-08-2005, 03:15 PM
Hey I'm not gonna ban him that, but do wish you could let the matter drop Metla. Seems like a kinda pointless slanging match and it's ruining the tranquilty that Flight Sim induces. You're messing with my calm.

On a better note, here's some screenies showing assorted coasts, lakes and rivers around the country with the upcoming Nz Topographic add-on from Christian Stock.

Wellington
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/718.jpg

Milford Sound
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/569.jpg

The Sounds
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/544.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/542.jpg

Near Rotorua
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/531.jpg

Other spots
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/666.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/594.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/558.jpg

Metla
02-08-2005, 03:33 PM
Well, I have decided to buy it, I just don't want to find myself resorting to crashing into large objects to relieve the boredom, The screenshots are stunning and I am able to comprehend that people enjoy the game.

Whats the biggest plane capable of doing a loop?

Biggles
02-08-2005, 03:54 PM
Well, I have decided to buy it, I just don't want to find myself resorting to crashing into large objects to relieve the boredom, The screenshots are stunning and I am able to comprehend that people enjoy the game.

Whats the biggest plane capable of doing a loop?

I dunno - but I have a feeling you're going to try and find out. I'll be impressed if you can loop this:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/514.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/516.jpg

Of course, the thing about FS is that buying it is just the starting point. You end up wasting more time and money "tweaking" it with add-ons.

But then I'll never get to fly this over Wanaka in real life:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/FS2004-122.jpg

JJJJJ
02-08-2005, 04:23 PM
Well, I have decided to buy it, I just don't want to find myself resorting to crashing into large objects to relieve the boredom, The screenshots are stunning and I am able to comprehend that people enjoy the game.

Whats the biggest plane capable of doing a loop?


Theoreticaly it's possable to loop a 747, but I don't know anyone who's tried it. It's not the size that matters it's whether an aircraft will take the strain without a wing falling off.

Jeremy
02-08-2005, 05:08 PM
But then I'll never get to fly this over Wanaka in real life:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/dmw_nz/FS2004-122.jpg
I hate you Bruce. After looking at those pictures from around The Sounds I really want to go and grab a new flightsim and joystick and go flying around there and see if any of the landmarks/houses I know are in there.

Never say never Bruce. You just need to save up a bit (or a lot) and you can go down to Wanaka. Then you can take a Pitts or a Mustang (they might have some others as well) for a flight around Wanaka.

Jeremy
02-08-2005, 05:51 PM
Hmmm, I just had a look around and saw that Flight Sim 2004 is at quite a nice price at Ascent at the moment. I might have to order it.

What controllers do you people all use?

JJJJJ
02-08-2005, 06:05 PM
Hmmm, I just had a look around and saw that Flight Sim 2004 is at quite a nice price at Ascent at the moment. I might have to order it.

What controllers do you people all use?

I understand MS Flight Sim 2006 is due out this month.

Jester
02-08-2005, 06:05 PM
I made a short vid of acrobatics over Wanaka, it's 10 megs, but not hosted anywhere. Bruce, too many clouds mate - here's what it should be like:

Wanaka Scenery (http://mattz.co.nz/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=Baron)

Trev
02-08-2005, 06:13 PM
Ms Flight Sim 2006 won't be out till next year. At the moment I'm one of 15,000 Flight Simmers from around the world doing a survey for the MS Flight Team. They have sent me software that reports back to them after each time I fly. I also have to make comments good and bad on the flight I have just completed.

Trevor :)

Metla
02-08-2005, 06:17 PM
2006?

I done a google for it last time it was mentioned,best I could find was a feature wishlist in a forum, Doesn't seem to me that a new version has even been announced let alone be awaiting release.

Though if someone can confirm the situation I may hold back for 2006.....



Edit

The facts were posted while I was writing this post,rendering it useless........

JJJJJ
02-08-2005, 09:44 PM
Someone in one of the flight forums said it was due this month, but seems he's wrong

Trev
02-08-2005, 11:33 PM
Read this. http://forums.flightsim.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=128205&mesg_id=128205&page=

I'm probibly a bit hastie in saying 2006 for the release, but I don't think it well be this month, no one really knows when it well be released, everyone is just speculating. FS 2004 was a rush release to get it out in time for 100 years of flying ( the Wright Brothers Flight), hence the name A Century Of Flight.

Trevor :)

Biggles
03-08-2005, 01:17 AM
Read this. http://forums.flightsim.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=128205&mesg_id=128205&page=

I'm probibly a bit hastie in saying 2006 for the release, but I don't think it well be this month, no one really knows when it well be released, everyone is just speculating. FS 2004 was a rush release to get it out in time for 100 years of flying ( the Wright Brothers Flight), hence the name A Century Of Flight.

Trevor :)

I read somewhere that 2006 will be in 2006 - MS was at some game conference int he States(?) where they dropped this bit of news. Too late in the evening to look it up now.

Besides, I've got Dungeon Siege 2 (gold) right now and the folks at MS made no mention of FS 2006 when I was on the scrounge for that, so I'd say it's highly unlikely that 2006 is due this year.

Organicpete
03-08-2005, 01:10 PM
. At the moment I'm one of 15,000 Flight Simmers from around the world doing a survey for the MS Flight Team. They have sent me software that reports back to them after each time I fly. I also have to make comments good and bad on the flight I have just completed.

Trevor :)

sounds interesting Trev :)
have they worked on the flight model at all ?
I have FS2002 and the physics tend to be pretty dumbed down IMO

Pete

Safari
03-08-2005, 01:30 PM
sounds interesting Trev :)
have they worked on the flight model at all ?
I have FS2002 and the physics tend to be pretty dumbed down IMO

Pete

Try X-Plane if you want more accurate simulation.
http://www.x-plane.com/about.html

Trev
03-08-2005, 02:43 PM
sounds interesting Trev :)
have they worked on the flight model at all ?
I have FS2002 and the physics tend to be pretty dumbed down IMO

Pete

Having done a bit of real world flying, for $120 the flight physics seem pretty good to me. Sure there are some limitations, but you are going to get that in any Flight Sim.

Trevor :)

JJJJJ
03-08-2005, 05:44 PM
I agree with Trev. Flight Physics are realy outstanding for a cheap simulator.

Jeremy
03-08-2005, 11:21 PM
What controllers do you people all use?
*cough*

What of the cheaper joysticks do you lot recommend. Wanting something which will be suitable for other games as well (mainly racing games). I used to have a Sidewinder Precision Pro2 at one stage, but got rid of it when someone was wanting one and I needed some money.

Jester
04-08-2005, 12:13 AM
I use a Genius F23 USB. About $30 from Noel Leeming. Does the job with no fuss, throttle, rudder, 4 buttons on base, hat switch, and 4 buttons on stick. Easy to configure for FS (flaps, gear, brakes, reverse thrust, views etc). Used to have a Saitek but it had a stiff spring system that the kids now use.

BTW you dont need the disc in to play the game, there's readily available no cd fix.

JJJJJ
04-08-2005, 06:31 AM
*cough*

What of the cheaper joysticks do you lot recommend. Wanting something which will be suitable for other games as well (mainly racing games). I used to have a Sidewinder Precision Pro2 at one stage, but got rid of it when someone was wanting one and I needed some money.

I personaly prefer the "Logitech extreme 3d pro".
I tried a Thrustmaster and didn't like it so took it back and swaped it for a logitech.
They have all the controls you need and they work well.
About $90

Myth
04-08-2005, 09:01 PM
Well, I have decided to buy it, I just don't want to find myself resorting to crashing into large objects to relieve the boredom, The screenshots are stunning and I am able to comprehend that people enjoy the game.

Whats the biggest plane capable of doing a loop?Had a quick play earlier tonight.... with my limited flight time I managed to get a 737 to loop over Tauranga :D

Seriously, had a quick play, then downloaded the 75 mesh and was very impressed :D
This flight sim requires some serious time (this weekend :D)

The fps rate isnt too bad either.... the animation is still pretty smooth

JJJJJ
04-08-2005, 09:37 PM
The 20 M Mesh is even better

Elephant
04-08-2005, 10:38 PM
Had a quick play earlier tonight.... with my limited flight time I managed to get a 737 to loop over Tauranga http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Seriously, had a quick play, then downloaded the 75 mesh and was very impressed http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
This flight sim requires some serious time (this weekend http://pressf1.pcworld.co.nz/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)

The fps rate isnt too bad either.... the animation is still pretty smooth

I managed to get a 737 to loop over HongKong.

Yes I cheated. Loaded a 737 over HongKong in level flight which is one of the saved flights which comes with FlightSim 2002. Poured on the power and went up and looped. Got an overspeed warning on the way down and dropped back on the throttle in time for the wings not to fall off or me hitting the water.

I doubt if I could get a Sunderland Flying Boat to loop though. I'm sure that was Bruce was referring to in his post. I used to see heaps of those flying out of Evans Bay in Wellington.

I'm sure Bruce will correct me if I'm wrong. :-)

Elephant
04-08-2005, 10:50 PM
I personaly prefer the "Logitech extreme 3d pro".
I tried a Thrustmaster and didn't like it so took it back and swaped it for a logitech.
They have all the controls you need and they work well.
About $90

I use a Logitec Force feedback but I think it was about $130.
Previously I used a sidewinder precision pro connected to a USB port. I gave it away to a mate running WinXP to replace his sidewinder connected to a game port (Driver issues). We gave his one to a guy running Win98SE.

Everyone wins. I really wanted a force feed back but I think that the Microsoft effort was about $300 a while back and there was no way I could justify that at that time.

JJJJJ
05-08-2005, 06:26 AM
The fps rate isnt too bad either.... the animation is still pretty smooth.

At present I am running at 14 fps. Locked.
Very occasional jerky bits and picture quality is vastly improved. With fps set to unlimited I have a vast deteration in picture quality.
Large improvement too when game is played at 1024 x 768.
I am dieing to try it on a 19" LCD they seem to be much sharper and brighter than my 19" crt.

Metla
09-08-2005, 01:44 AM
Alrighty, Have the scenery loaded,all visual settings on max and she runs like butter.beeeeeeeeeuuuuuddaaaaaaaaaaafooooooooolllll .

Now where can I get a spitfire, a modern jet-fighter and that Air New Zealand plane from the screenshot?

JJJJJ
09-08-2005, 05:43 AM
http://www.massey.ac.nz/%7Eavweb/papers/fltsimdesign/index.htm

http://www.surclaro.com/download.php?op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=12796&ttitle=seahurri.zip

http://www.nzpaintshop.com/

Have a look at these. Try Googleing for "MS Flight Simulator"

JJJJJ
09-08-2005, 05:54 AM
http://www.windowlight.co.nz/realnzauckland.html

JJJJJ
09-08-2005, 06:50 AM
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/1163/spit5tq.jpg

Metla
09-08-2005, 11:26 AM
Thanks Jack, Though I don't think I will be needing them now, I'm afraid after a couple of hours of the game I was bored beyond wanting to play it any more.

heaton
09-08-2005, 05:10 PM
Plus you'll want Stock's Landclass files, which make the defacto terrain textures match up better with the actual features of NZ (forests where there are forests, for exmaple):

http://www.redbarent.com/nzmesh-support.htm[/QUOTE]

Dowloaded these files but how do I get them into FS9?

Biggles
09-08-2005, 05:16 PM
Thanks Jack, Though I don't think I will be needing them now, I'm afraid after a couple of hours of the game I was bored beyond wanting to play it any more.

:D We should have run a betting pool on this. Although I doubt many would have put money down on you finding FS to your liking for an extended period. You just don't strike me as a FS kinda guy ....

Biggles
09-08-2005, 05:20 PM
Dowloaded these files but how do I get them into FS9?

By reading the readme.text that is included in the download. I'll reproduce the relevant section here for your edification:

"Installation:

Create a new folder (or use the 'scenery addon' folder). Create a subfolder named 'scenery'. It is important that there is NO texture folder, otherwise it won't work! Unzip the files into the scenery folder. Start MSFS and add the scenery via the menu. Add the sceneries and mark the one you want to use as active. If you want to change, deselect the active scenery and select a new one (or deselect everything to use the default scenery).

Alternatively, you also may add these files to the mesh scenery if you want. Again, make sure that there is NO texture folder!"

JJJJJ
09-08-2005, 05:39 PM
Plus you'll want Stock's Landclass files, which make the defacto terrain textures match up better with the actual features of NZ (forests where there are forests, for exmaple):

http://www.redbarent.com/nzmesh-support.htm

Dowloaded these files but how do I get them into FS9?[/QUOTE]

Don't believe you. It was the land class file thatshifted the Ak. bridge. I removed land class and the bridge went back where it was supposed to be.

Biggles
09-08-2005, 05:47 PM
Don't believe you. It was the land class file thatshifted the Ak. bridge. I removed land class and the bridge went back where it was supposed to be.

I use Christian's Landclass, and Robin's Auckland scenery and my AK bridge has stayed put.

JJJJJ
09-08-2005, 06:04 PM
I use Christian's Landclass, and Robin's Auckland scenery and my AK bridge has stayed put.

Yet with mine it is definately the LC that is causing it. I've tried loading the files in different orders but always end up with same result.

Must be my silly computer. Time I got a new one I think.

toprob
09-08-2005, 08:37 PM
Don't believe you. It was the land class file thatshifted the Ak. bridge. I removed land class and the bridge went back where it was supposed to be.

The bridge doesn't really move, the coastline does. When the landclass has a higher postion in the Scenery Library it removes the photoreal scenery, leaving the default coastlines. The normal solution is to move the landclass down the list (effectively giving it a higher priority) in the Scenery Library. I should really put a few screenshots on the Auckland City FAQ to show how to do this.
-Robin Corn

Biggles
09-08-2005, 09:25 PM
The bridge doesn't really move, the coastline does. When the landclass has a higher postion in the Scenery Library it removes the photoreal scenery, leaving the default coastlines. The normal solution is to move the landclass down the list (effectively giving it a higher priority) in the Scenery Library. I should really put a few screenshots on the Auckland City FAQ to show how to do this.
-Robin Corn

Cheers Robin for that clarification.

Billy T
09-08-2005, 09:52 PM
They barrel-rolled a 747 during protoype testing, saw it on a TV doco about the development of the 747 and it was pretty unbelievable. I reckon you could loop one, but the investment is a bit much for experimenting. :eek:

A Sunderland would probably have looped if you dived it to get up speed. They were built real strong so I doubt that the wings would have dropped off!

Try looping one and see what it can do, I'd love to know if FS will let it happen.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

JJJJJ
09-08-2005, 09:55 PM
The bridge doesn't really move, the coastline does. When the landclass has a higher postion in the Scenery Library it removes the photoreal scenery, leaving the default coastlines. The normal solution is to move the landclass down the list (effectively giving it a higher priority) in the Scenery Library. I should really put a few screenshots on the Auckland City FAQ to show how to do this.
-Robin Corn

And it works. Just like Robin said it would.