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cjknight
21-04-2005, 09:57 AM
Hi all

Just put together a 200MB external USB2 hard drive (Seagate). If possible I would like to be able to use/transfer files on W2K, XP and 98SE computers. Is this possible ?
Thanks
Cheers
CJ

AMD1
21-04-2005, 10:00 AM
Hi all

Just put together a 200MB external USB2 hard drive (Seagate). If possible I would like to be able to use/transfer files on W2K, XP and 98SE computers. Is this possible ?
Thanks
Cheers
CJ
You will need to partition and format as FAT32 as 98SE will not handle NTFS

smokenz
21-04-2005, 12:13 PM
Yeah FAT32 is the way to go. Also just wondering, you said 200mb. If it's a typo and you meant 200gb, it won't work, but yeah I'm jsut reading into too much, haha.

smokenz

cjknight
21-04-2005, 02:30 PM
Yes, it was 200GB :-) I was just concerned that the 98SE machine wouldn't be able to deal with such a large drive.
Thanks
Cheers
CJ

Prescott
21-04-2005, 03:09 PM
you will have to partition it into partitions that are less than 32GB and in FAT32 otherwise win98se wont see these drives, and the the bios wont like it if they are bigger than 32GB. am i right in saying this?

Chilling_Silence
21-04-2005, 03:42 PM
No, it _CAN_ handle partitions larger than it, I know because Ive formatted it in Linux and then used it later in XP and '98

Not sure how you'd go about doing it, but try something like QtParted on the SysRescueCD if you really get stuck, its only a 60-odd meg download

cjknight
21-04-2005, 03:49 PM
Hmm. Thought that might be the case :-(
Guess the best way to go is to have two partitions; 32Gb in Fat32 for the 98SE machine and the other partition can be NTFS? At least the W2K and XP machines will be able to see both partitions ?
Thanks
Cheers
CJ

Chilling_Silence
21-04-2005, 03:56 PM
No no no......

Dont give up so easily!

You _can_ do it!

FoxyMX
21-04-2005, 04:11 PM
You are not restricted to partitions 32GB or smaller but you will need to keep them less than 137GB or Scandisk and Defrag will corrupt the data on partitions greater than 137GB.

Use Microsoft's updated Fdisk (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263044) to create partitions larger than 32GB but remember to keep them smaller than 137GB.

You could use other partitioning tools but using Fdisk will ensure maximum compatibility with Windows.

cjknight
21-04-2005, 04:28 PM
Thx. Will give it a go this weekend.
Cheers
CJ

smokenz
21-04-2005, 04:38 PM
I'm the man, haha. Was going to have to mock you if you put effort into making a 200mb USB hdd.
And good luck to making a large partition to work with win98. I never really tried it, but heard it can be done. Hopefully you have usb 2 drivers that are compatible with the win 98 machine, and hopefully its usb 2 otherwise transferring anything over 1gb will be a nightmare if you're in a hurry.

smokenz

Myth
21-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Fdisk will easily handle a partition over 32GB, even the standard Fdisk in Win9x/ME. But it will do no harm to download the one Foxy is suggesting

Even if it doesn't, just create a 32GB drive, and then use something like Partition magic to expand the drive all the way to 200 later :)

Chilling_Silence
21-04-2005, 04:59 PM
Mythix, it cant be expanded... the FAT32 limit is 137GB. AFAIK, NTFS has one that is much much larger though.

cjknight
21-04-2005, 05:04 PM
Since the external HDD will mainly be used with W2k and XP machines, I've decided to make a 120Gb partition in NTFS and the rest in a FAT32 partition for the 98SE machine. Plenty there for backups. Just have to remember if I have anything to be t'ferred to 98SE machine, to put it in the FAT32 folder !

Cheers all
CJ

Myth
21-04-2005, 05:08 PM
Geez at me.. getting my file systems all mixed up
You are right Chilling....
FAT32 limit of 137GB
NTFS4 ...2 terabytes
NTFS5 ...2 exabytes

I was studying this today at course too lol :blush:

Chilling_Silence
21-04-2005, 05:42 PM
I use reiser4 so these dont apply to me ;)

Prescott
21-04-2005, 05:46 PM
well i made an ass of my self, sorry :blush:

but there was some thing about a 32Gb limit and how it would see it or something :o

thanks for correcting me,

my apologies.

FoxyMX
21-04-2005, 05:51 PM
but there was some thing about a 32Gb limit and how it would see it or something
Perhaps you were thinking of Windows XP's 32GB limitation on FAT32 drives. Win XP won't let you create partitions greater than 32GB unless they are NTFS partitions.

Oh, and your disclaimer prevented you from making an ass of yourself. ;)

Chilling_Silence
21-04-2005, 05:52 PM
Been there, made the same assumption before about FAT32... Im sure everybody has done it at some time or another :D

Prescott
21-04-2005, 06:00 PM
Perhaps you were thinking of Windows XP's 32GB limitation on FAT32 drives. Win XP won't let you create partitions greater than 32GB unless they are NTFS partitions.

it could have been that.... oh well, its sorted now :thumbs:

cjknight
22-04-2005, 02:11 PM
Struck a problem. In Disk Management it is only seeing 32GB straight off. This is even before I try to partition/format. Any pointers ?
System: Asus Laptop XP Pro SP1 USB2.0
Thanks
Cheers
CJ

Neil McC
22-04-2005, 05:35 PM
[QUOTE=cjknight]Since the external HDD will mainly be used with W2k and XP machines, I've decided to make a 120Gb partition in NTFS and the rest in a FAT32 partition for the 98SE machine. Plenty there for backups. Just have to remember if I have anything to be t'ferred to 98SE machine, to put it in the FAT32 folder !

Thanks for this thread,cjknight.I've just had 2 160Gb external drives formatted as Fat 32,in case I need to rescue friends data.Had a 120Gb before which worked well,and never thought of the size problem with 98 or ME,because it worked! So I must do the same.

TonyF
22-04-2005, 11:00 PM
Use Microsoft's updated Fdisk (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263044) to create partitions larger than 32GB but remember to keep them smaller than 137GB.

You could use other partitioning tools but using Fdisk will ensure maximum compatibility with Windows.
The MS page refers to the max HD size but does not actually say the new Fdisk will routinely do larger than 32 GB. Pse claify.
Cheers Tony

TonyF
22-04-2005, 11:00 PM
Use Microsoft's updated Fdisk (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;263044) to create partitions larger than 32GB but remember to keep them smaller than 137GB.

You could use other partitioning tools but using Fdisk will ensure maximum compatibility with Windows.
The MS page refers to the max HD size but does not actually say the new Fdisk will routinely do larger than 32 GB. Pse clarify.
Cheers Tony

FoxyMX
22-04-2005, 11:25 PM
I'm not quite sure what you mean, Tony.

The new fdisk corrects problems with computers where fdisk does not correctly report the size of partitions greater than 64GB. That is what the new fdisk is supposed to fix. It is still a bad idea to create partitions larger than 137GB in FAT32 though, for the reason I specified earlier.

Does that help?

TonyF
22-04-2005, 11:50 PM
Not quite. Earlier discussion was about the point that Fdisk will not create partitions larger than 32 GB, but that it will recognise >32GB created by say PMagic.
Your msg refers to creating partitions >32 Mb. Will the new Fdisk do this routinely ?

Cheers Tony

cjknight
23-04-2005, 01:26 AM
Its working now. Just powered down and left it for 5 minutes. When I rebooted, everything went smoothly.
Thanks for all the help though. I've learnt a fair bit :-D

Cheers
CJ

FoxyMX
24-04-2005, 12:03 PM
Not quite. Earlier discussion was about the point that Fdisk will not create partitions larger than 32 GB, but that it will recognise >32GB created by say PMagic.
Your msg refers to creating partitions >32 Mb. Will the new Fdisk do this routinely ?
The person who said that FDISK will not create partitions larger than 32GB was incorrect. It does.

As far as I know FDISK will create partitions of any size you wish but the "old" FDISK will not report the partition size correctly with partitions greater than 64MB. The "new" FDISK will report partitions sizes larger than 64MB correctly.

When you say "Will the new Fdisk do this routinely ?", if you mean "is the default partition size 32MB" then I don't think it would be. Partition managers don't have a "default" size as far as I know - you decide what size you want and specify that size.

Have I got it right this time? :p

TonyF
24-04-2005, 12:20 PM
Seems so. I had taken from earlier messages that if you wanted a partition >32, you used Fdisk to make 32 and say PM to resize it.

FoxyMX
24-04-2005, 01:45 PM
Nah, it is not as fiddly as that. It has been a couple of years since I last had to use FDISK (the older version) to partition the old PC so I have forgotten exactly how to do it but it wasn't difficult. This website (http://fdisk.radified.com/) is my bible for figuring out FDISK's mysteries so you might want to bookmark it for possible future reference.