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B.M.
14-04-2005, 11:23 AM
Thereís a guy here needs help


And I want to read the report! ;)

Metla
14-04-2005, 11:32 AM
I can't believe this issue has dragged on for so long when the government is so clearly in the wrong.

PAY THE DAMN PEOPLE AND APOLOGISE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.

They lied, they crippled these people financially, they took away their livelihood, and they gave them untold amounts of stress, In short they ruined their lives.

Disgraceful, and Iím sickened and disgusted by the entire affair.


and yeah,that page is fugly,I have saved it and will change the colours before i try and read it.

Metla
14-04-2005, 11:34 AM
Oh wait, I see he is asking for help to get the rest of the document online, I thought u just meant it was ugly... :D :D :D

vinref
14-04-2005, 11:37 AM
Thereís a guy here needs help


And I want to read the report! ;)

The html coding is not good.

I assume the reports are the images at the end of the page? If so, then the image sources have not been declared properly, and the sources don't look right either. The declaration, for instance the first image, reads:

<img src =image1.jpg width=467 height=864</a><BR>; but should read:

<img src="image1.jpg" width=467 height=864>.

B.M.
14-04-2005, 12:14 PM
The guy's address is at the top, or at least I think that's his address. :confused:

Maybe you could just point out dirrectly to him where he has erred.

I'd dearly like to read the full document, along with many others I supect. :D

sal
14-04-2005, 12:18 PM
Wow, thats pretty rough.

Running it through HTML Tidy (http://infohound.net/tidy/) done a great job), but formatting still looks off a little concerning readability. Personal niggles include usng <br />eaks instead of <p>aragra</p>hs, but these are trivial I suppose.

I'm willing to help I suppose. So I just email him? Oh, he needs one on one help from a local?

Safari
14-04-2005, 12:37 PM
I can't believe this issue has dragged on for so long when the government is so clearly in the wrong.

PAY THE DAMN PEOPLE AND APOLOGISE LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT.

They lied, they crippled these people financially, they took away their livelihood, and they gave them untold amounts of stress, In short they ruined their lives.

Disgraceful, and Iím sickened and disgusted by the entire affair.


and yeah,that page is fugly,I have saved it and will change the colours before i try and read it.

I agree completely with Metla and I am also disgusted by the actions of the high court and the inaction of the goverment.
All of NZ should give support to Dr Moodie and the action he has taken.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/0,2106,3247604a6479,00.html

Metla
14-04-2005, 12:47 PM
...Metla faints....

Barnabas
14-04-2005, 01:02 PM
That really sucks. The "man" has definitely screwed these guys over. I hope Winston can get that report tabled in parliment and raises a huge fuss over the matter and gets a whole lot of people fired or something. It really makes my blood boil...grrrrr!!!

B.M.
14-04-2005, 01:09 PM
Yes Sal, he does say local, but I doubt itís compulsory. If you can help from a distance Iím sure heíd appreciate it. I would anyway. :)

It doesnít make good reading does it when Government appointed Judges refuse to read a report and hear all the facts. Those that couldnít see before, should be able to see now, why the Government wanted rid of the Privy Council. :annoyed:

B.M.
14-04-2005, 05:21 PM
Have any of you guys actually tried to contact the Sitemaster at teecee@paradise.net.nz ?

I have without result! :(

Maybe all traffic is being diverted to the Secret Service? :lol:

What are all those guys doing on my front lawn wearing flack jackets? Now theyíre shooting each other. Must be the Secret Service better go.

Mercury
14-04-2005, 06:06 PM
The book was a very interesting read.

If anyone wants to view the missing images the problem is case sensitivity (and I've emailed him telling him how to fix it)

He has named the files Image1.jpg - then in the code has called for image1.jpg

Click this link for the first image then change the 1 to 2 ... 12 for all 12 pages

sal
14-04-2005, 08:45 PM
link deleted

vinref
14-04-2005, 09:01 PM
[QUOTE=Mercury]The book was a very interesting read.

If anyone wants to view the missing images the problem is case sensitivity (and I've emailed him telling him how to fix it)

He has named the files Image1.jpg - then in the code has called for image1.jpg

Click this link for the first image then change the 1 to 2 ... 12 for all 12 pages

Agggghhhhhhhh. I searched high and low in his homepage for that very thing, but it never crossed my mind about the case-sensitivity...

Mercury
14-04-2005, 09:42 PM
My first guess was image1.JPG, the second Image1.jpg. My third would have been location - an Image/s sub-folder? Img/s?

Mind you, I'd have probably abandoned trying to find the error if it was into that territory - too many possibilities and variables - and just told him what to look for.

Erayd
14-04-2005, 09:57 PM
Good on him though, and here's hoping he doesn't get prosecuted - he went against a court order to release this report. Sal, do you mind if I link to your mirror from my site/copy your mirror, as the original page still isn't too good.

Bletch

sal
14-04-2005, 10:01 PM
Sal, do you mind if I link to your mirror from my site/copy your mirror, as the original page still isn't too good.
I dont mind at all.

Scouse
14-04-2005, 11:14 PM
Well done Sal. Much appreciated. :cool:

B.M.
15-04-2005, 02:45 AM
Totally brilliant Sal, well done.

And thanks Mercury, your way around the problem worked fine.

Iíve now read the whole thing and Iím afraid Iím in shock.

I didnít realise Mugabe was running this country too. :mad:

Thanks again guys.

Bob

Biggles
15-04-2005, 10:42 AM
Guys, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to remove these links. You'll note that other media are not providing links to this stuff and for good reason. Our own company was involved in legal action several years ago over an issue like this where one of our publications posted a link - not the actual info, just a link - to a site and was then taken to court over it by one of the parties involved in wanting that info not published. Legal precident to date in NZ is that putting a link to infomation is the same as publishing that info yourself.

And even though this is a public forum, again, we don't want to pay the legal bills to establish the precident here over who is actually publishing what when someone puts links on a site run by us.

I ask you to undertsand this and not publically post links to the disputed material on the forum.

sal
15-04-2005, 10:46 AM
Understood Bruce.

Barnabas
15-04-2005, 10:55 AM
Guys, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to remove these links. You'll note that other media are not providing links to this stuff and for good reason. Our own company was involved in legal action several years ago over an issue like this where one of our publications posted a link - not the actual info, just a link - to a site and was then taken to court over it by one of the parties involved in wanting that info not published. Legal precident to date in NZ is that putting a link to infomation is the same as publishing that info yourself.

And even though this is a public forum, again, we don't want to pay the legal bills to establish the precident here over who is actually publishing what when someone puts links on a site run by us.

I ask you to undertsand this and not publically post links to the disputed material on the forum.

Yup thats fair enough. But how about posting a link to the link or is that pretty much the same thing?

Metla
15-04-2005, 11:03 AM
Damn the machine (as in The Government,Not PC World)

Makes me sick.

Biggles
15-04-2005, 11:04 AM
But how about posting a link to the link or is that pretty much the same thing?

I suspect the NZ Army's legal team would view this as being the same thing, and frankly, I don't want to find out. After all, they know people with guns.

Mercury
15-04-2005, 11:06 AM
BM, I read the book a few years ago and it certainly makes one think.

Have you ever noticed that everytime there is a farm death - recent events being 2 kids in a car releasing a hand brake, 2 kids on motorbikes, a guy standing between truck and trailer - the paper instantly reports "x number of people killed in farm accidents in last year, this high number is unacceptable, OSH to investigate"?

My instant reaction is to remember the book and feel intense sympathy for the survivors. There they are in shock, blaming themselves and each other, going through the whole grief process, trying to find a meaning in it all - and the guys with clipboards are there presumably trying to find someone who is still alive to be held "accountable".

According to the book the bridge had design faults and it collapsed at the time it did due to the Beekeeper ignoring the Berrymans' instructions to keep the weight of the vehicle down (make several trips instead of one) and to SLOW DOWN! Major maintenance and partial replacement was due to happen in a few months.

My daughter was in a car accident 18 months ago (still bears a few scars, can't walk long distances, walks like a duck on stairs but is otherwise alive and well). The police response was quite interesting. They apologised that they were unable to bring the offending driver to court to punish her and bring closure for my daughter.

I pointed out that the offending driver (who wasn't wearing a seat belt and, on a country road, had crossed the centre line on a blind corner at high speed) had actually punished herself far more than the Courts would all by her self (head injuries, in care for life). I was left with the feeling that the police thought this wasn't quite enough.

Biggles
15-04-2005, 11:10 AM
Damn the machine (as in The Government,Not PC World)

Actually, in this case (not publishing links) it's the justice system/lawyers - the results the same regardless of who the government is. It's that whole crazy scenario where local news outlets aren't allowed to publish info that's been legally suppressed - documents, defendants names etc - BUT no such restriction applies to overseas news outlets, so full details can often be found with a simple Google search. Such are the strange things that happen when law struggles to catch up with technology.

Greg
15-04-2005, 11:18 AM
Bugger that. If I was more interested in the issue I'd post the link on every single one of my websites! :p

Metla
15-04-2005, 11:25 AM
I have been contemplating doing much the same thing, Though it apears I don't have the nads to do so.

I doubt going home and informing Mrs Metla we had lost the house and had to move into a cardboard box on the side of the road because I published a link to a webpage,and the machine had crushed us would go down very well (my god,whose more dangerous, The Govenment,or Mrs Metla)......

For whatever reason the Government has been playing hardball on this case since day one.

B.M.
15-04-2005, 11:55 AM
Whatís this? Rambo scared of the New Zealand Army? Now thereís a laugh for the end of the week. :D:

Isnít it amazing, that I can find how to build a nuclear bomb on the Internet, but the specifications to a collapsed army bridge in the New Zealand boo aye are top secret? :confused:

Sure makes one wonder???

sal
15-04-2005, 12:00 PM
Looks like the original has been taken offline just this morning. I blame it on Bruce.

sal
15-04-2005, 12:04 PM
This morning I got a weird call from Telecom, the automated message asked if the account holder was home but he wasn't. Hmm...I should have just said "Is he home? -- 'YES'"

B.M.
15-04-2005, 12:22 PM
What a break up this is becoming.

Something between Hoganís Heroes, The Goons and Monty Python.

Sal, how do I get a site off shore and Iíll host the thing myself and take my chances with the NZ Army. Could be fun. :D

Greg
15-04-2005, 12:28 PM
how do I get a site off shore and Iíll host the thing myself and take my chances with the NZ Army. Could be fun. :D
I'll email it to you if you like, although I didn't save the document images

Murray P
15-04-2005, 10:49 PM
Google Google Google & cache is are wonderful devices are they not.

Erayd
16-04-2005, 11:28 AM
Man this is a pity. I had the stuff formatted to work with my website last night, and just as I was about to upload this morning I found all this stuff on the thread, and sure enough - the original was gone. Did a bit of research and from what I can tell, the ISP seems to have been threatened with legal action if it didn't remove the stuff. I think I'm just going to keep this stuff offline for a while until the legal stuff seems a bit safer. I'm not sure on this - but I think the National Business Review is also hosting copies of the scanned images of the report, as the pages I saw yesterday seem to have come from there. Don't know how long they'll last though - the NBR won't want the legal trouble I think.

Bletch

Murray P
16-04-2005, 01:18 PM
Nothing on the NBR site. There are copies hosted offshore (possibly more than one I have heard). I'm sure if someone wanted to do it, a no-IP type or free hosting offshore would be easy to setup. May be, one of the .org sites would be helpful, not really /. cup of tea, but something like that perhaps, if one had a care for that sort of thing and new the ins & outs.

Kind of touchy though, I imagine, eh?

B.M.
17-04-2005, 05:54 PM
As a matter of interest I have just read a press report in our local paper where Winston Peters claims there is no injunction forbidding the publication of the Butcher Report.

As I understand it, the Court ordered Bob Moodie to return the report to the Army.
It would seem he has done that but kept a copy. :D

Importantly, there doesnít appear to be any order from the Courts that the report cannot be published.

Now, Peters tried to table the report in parliament but was blocked by Labour. (With, I guess, the support of the Greens and United Future).

Interestingly, no journalist seems to have interviewed the leaders of these minor associated parties on their stance on the matter and why they are supporting Labour.

The plot thickens.