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JasonEdward
08-04-2005, 11:37 AM
Hi again,

I don't pretend to know the IT issues with unbundling the copper cables but I can't help but think there is no good reason not to un-bundle.

Can anyone tell me a good reason why the Commerce Commission/Govt lets what appears to be a Telecomonopoly continue?

Cheers

Speedy Gonzales
08-04-2005, 11:48 AM
Ring / email them to find out maybe?

And coz they're useless/hopeless and have nothing better to do.

Myth
08-04-2005, 11:48 AM
Not 100% sure sorry
But the last I heard on this issue was that the Commerce Commission are thinking of relooking at the issue (which could happen in 2 years).
In the meantime; Telecom have a big push on to meet the requirements of the Commerce Commissions last ruling... I think it goes something like get 250,000 new customers, of which a certain percentage have to be from opposition ISPs

godfather
08-04-2005, 12:55 PM
I am not aware of any issues that would prevent unbundling, perhaps apart from the provision of lines to those areas that are "uneconomic".

Under local loop unbundling (LLU), one assumes that the "Kiwi Share" obligation (KSO) would need to be modified, or the only lines that Telecom may be left with are those that are uneconomic to any other party.

That would mean that around 20% of all customers could face (sometimes severe) increases, while 80% would see decreases in cost. Remote rural customers may have difficulty affording a phone at all, while town customers may see small decreases in cost.

But user pays exists now in most areas of the market, we either bite this bullet or we don't.

Graham L
08-04-2005, 01:52 PM
The copper network has been built up over more than 100 years by the P&T Dept, the Post Office, then Telecom. It is owned by Telecom.


Apart from any opinions of Telecom's business practices, there are questions of the rights of the owner. Many would say that these assets should still be owned by us. But they have been "given" away. And the new owners insist on their rights.

Anyone with enough money could build their own network ... there's a lot of purple ducting under Christchurch, but it's expensive --- probably too expensive.

Whatever is done to make services "more efficient", it usually just means that they become more expensive.

PaulD
08-04-2005, 02:41 PM
Who would manage competing interests where one provider's technology interferred with another's? Would possible uses for the copper be dumbed down to avoid trouble?

Telecom is already managing ADSL line speeds partly to reduce crosstalk rather than having all modems run at maximum line speed regardless of Plan.

Cicero
08-04-2005, 04:36 PM
http://www.med.govt.nz/pbt/telecom/llu-investigation/ministry-report/ministry-report-12.html

http://www.med.govt.nz/pbt/telecom/llu-investigation/ministry-report/ministry-report-02.html

http://forums.pcworld.co.nz/archive/index.php/t-45338.html

Etc ,etc.