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chiefnz
24-02-2005, 03:49 PM
Hey guys, after months of saving pondering and searching I have finally decided to get a new graphics board. I'm into games and video capturing and I want a little bit more bang than what my current 9600XT offers

My final 2 choices are:

nVidia 6600GT 128MB (http://tw.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-N66T128D.htm#) $333.00 + GST

AND

ATi Radeon X800 XT VIVO 256MB (http://tw.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-R80T256V.htm) $738.00 + GST

I can afford both but if I'm going to get the same performance from the lower priced card then that would suit me fine... I can use the extra money to buy a 17 inch LCD monitor.

I'm not to worried bout the whole VIVO offering from the XT as I have a TV card which fulfills my video capture needs quite nicely.

Essentially it boils down to... is it really necessary to go whole hog on the X800 XT or will I get the same performance (even if negligible) from the 6600GT. Honestly I can't make up my mind.

Hope that all makes sense and please try and keep your replies friendly and civil.


cheers

chiefnz

Prescott
24-02-2005, 04:36 PM
i can see that the radeon card is alot more expensive that the nVidia card, is it possible to get a x800 with out the VIVO?

ad_267
24-02-2005, 04:42 PM
I would definitely go for the 6600 gt. They have gotten some really good reviews and my one works great after I got a new PSU.

Zygar
24-02-2005, 04:45 PM
Get the X800XT, it beats the 6600GT in every benchmark. The 6600GT is a midrange card, while the X800XT is geared towards the high end.

E|im
24-02-2005, 08:01 PM
I would go for the higher end card. It should last you a lot longer and it's just faster for games ie it stomps on the 6600GTs. FYI I have one similiar.

You could also hunt around for the X800 Pro Vivos, not XT vivos. They should be a bit cheaper and in all the forums around there is like 99% success rate with the soft mod. There's only a few retards who can't follow instructions. Basically the x800 Pro Vivos have an XT core in them and RAM capable of 1200Mhz. You can get the full 16 pipelines enabled and stable XT PE speeds. Look for models with GC16 RAM, not GC20 because there are a few duds around like the powercolors.

chiefnz
24-02-2005, 08:47 PM
Yeah thanks guys,

E|im I was also looking at this X800 Pro (http://tw.giga-byte.com/VGA/Products/Products_GV-R80P256D.htm) ($666.00 + GST ) but I wasn't sure about the soft-mod and how well it would perform. The Non VIVO Pro version uses 12 pipelines I believe, but I wasn't sure whether there was a soft mod for it.

I'll see if I can find a X800 Pro with VIVO otherwise it would have to be the X800 Pro without VIVO then if I can soft mod it. I can just use my TV card for the video capturing.

Thanks for your input guys.

cheers

chiefnz

E|im
24-02-2005, 09:31 PM
Nah the X800 Pro non Vivo won't softmod, it's only got a standard x800 pro core and GC20 memory. I think there is like less than 25% success with the hardmod, but no way would I be hardmodding an expensive card like that. It involves using conductive paint and knife etc.

See if you can find some x800 pro vivos in stock. If you like Doom3 more than Half Life 2 you could go for a 6800GT for slightly more FPS, but I think the Ati cards are much better.

Metla
25-02-2005, 12:19 AM
meh.

6600gt hangs with the xt untill AA and af are bought into the equation.

Do the math,$400 difference for 25 fps under certain conditions,

chiefnz
25-02-2005, 06:52 AM
Thanks Met,

So are you saying go for the X800 or 6600GT?

cheers

chiefnz

Metla
25-02-2005, 10:17 AM
meh...I misread the model.

Forget I said anything.

Jams
25-02-2005, 11:53 AM
if you are going to spend that much on the ATI card, you may aswell go for a 6800GT, its got 16 pipelines, and 256Bit.

chiefnz
25-02-2005, 01:27 PM
Yes true but the 6800GT has a known video flaw which cannot be repaired so I'm staying away from the 6800GT. To be perfectly honest I was a nVidia fan for years but I must admit that I like ATi's products and I don't really want to change the video platform. Only reason I was considering the 6600GT was cos it was cheaper.


cheers

chiefnz

Jams
25-02-2005, 01:40 PM
oh right, havent head about that.

im picking up a 6600GT tomorrow, and have read the reviews. and its damn good performance for money.

i agree with what Metla ses, the difference in price is too great compared to the little perfomance gap.

KiwiTT_NZ
25-02-2005, 02:33 PM
A colleague has the 6600 GT and is rapped.

I am looking at the X800 XT VIVO as an option as well. But may simply go for the standard XT, as I don't think I will do much video editing.

E|im
25-02-2005, 02:45 PM
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x850xt/index.x?pg=7

The difference becomes apparent at high resolutions and higher AA and AF. Really who wants to run something like Half Life 2 with no fancy stuff? The x800 should last you longer and work for newer games still quite well.

It will only be AGP though. If you were planning a full system upgrade in a year or something, a cheaper card would be better now and a high end PCI-E one later? Though IMO your current system is quite nice.

Ooh ahh (http://firmware.orcon.net.nz/images/hl2ss.png). 1280x1024 (6xAA, 16AF) and extremely playable, no hiccups.

Metla
25-02-2005, 02:48 PM
37 fps with nothing on the screen?


Hmmmmm.


Personally I wouldn't accept that for a second.

Zygar
25-02-2005, 06:05 PM
Yes true but the 6800GT has a known video flaw which cannot be repaired so I'm staying away from the 6800GT. To be perfectly honest I was a nVidia fan for years but I must admit that I like ATi's products and I don't really want to change the video platform. Only reason I was considering the 6600GT was cos it was cheaper.


cheers

chiefnz
What video flaw is this? I'm using a 6800GT and have no problems whatsoever with it.

E|im
25-02-2005, 09:06 PM
37 fps with nothing on the screen?


Hmmmmm.


Personally I wouldn't accept that for a second.
Only seems to happen when you are intently staring at that much water watching it while it's rippling. Like you can drive along in the water and it'll be doing well over the refresh rate of the monitor, mine will hover around 75 FPS with vsync on. With vsync off it'll be well over 100 in most parts. Try yours in the same place, find some water to look at. It will probably drop to 10 FPS or something. Remember 30 FPS is playable. If it drops below that you'll notice it. ;)

And the NV40 video decoder flaw is well documented, search on google.

Metla
25-02-2005, 09:14 PM
Yeah, I've beem meaning to fire up the game and find a similar location, How did you bring up the fps counter?

I'll just use Fraps i think.

Oh,The human eye is easily trained to distinguish much higher framerates, 80fps is a sweetspot....well for me at least, 30-40 would be hard to take.

chiefnz
26-02-2005, 09:52 AM
What video flaw is this? I'm using a 6800GT and have no problems whatsoever with it.

Have a read here (http://www.pressf1.co.nz/showthread.php?t=50772&highlight=6800GT) for more info.

The flaw doesn't "appear" to affect performance but I am not one to buy a product with a known flaw, even if it doesn't "appear" to affect the performance of the card. What exactly is this supposed to mean to a consumer... "it doesn't appear to affect performance." It sounds all too relative... do they actually mean that it doesn't affect performance if you don't do this or don't do that with the card???

cheers

chiefnz

chiefnz
27-02-2005, 12:35 PM
Ok so I took the plunge and actually found the card (X800XT VIVO) for a little bit less than I stated before. I bought it and I'm quite happy. Haven't played any games yet as I am due to start work soon.

Did have a chance to run 3D Mark05 and the X800 scored 4854 3D Marks... is that good. Settings were 1024X768 4AA and 8AF.

Guess I'll have to start saving for a 17" LCD now aye.

cheers

chiefnz