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jackrulz
06-01-2005, 01:46 AM
i was just wondering if anyone knows of a real good treatment for male pattern baldness, im just sittin here watching that ad for advanced hair studio and thinkin it looks odd and obvious to anyone that its fake, so wondered if anyone knew a good treatment to prevent it ....
does propecia work ? :confused:

R.M.
06-01-2005, 06:52 AM
My younger son shaved his head (takes after his father re baldness) - he really looks good! His father says he wishes shaved heads were fashionable when he was younger... :D

Sam I Am
06-01-2005, 07:57 AM
i was just wondering if anyone knows of a real good treatment for male pattern baldness, im just sittin here watching that ad for advanced hair studio and thinkin it looks odd and obvious to anyone that its fake, so wondered if anyone knew a good treatment to prevent it ....
does propecia work ? :confused:

Number 1 all the way mate :thumbs:

TonyF
06-01-2005, 08:50 AM
Hello Jack. There seems to be no general answer. Have a look at
http://www.keratin.com/ad/adindex.shtml for a coverage of this topic, including some discussion of "alternative" therapies. One thing seems certain - the expensive products that pop up in Google ads are a waste of money.
Sympathy
Tony

Prescott
06-01-2005, 09:33 AM
and like nearly all the ads on google and other sites, those treatments will probably kill you

godfather
06-01-2005, 09:35 AM
Tattooing small pictures of Rabbits on the scalp may work.

(From a distance they look just like hares....)

Have recently looked into the issue, as I lost a significant amount of hair due to urgent "medical intervention". The Propecia type products only work if the follicles are still alive, and apparently not at all if they have become inactive. Seek qualified and independent medical advice before you spend a fortune on the remedies.

Scouse
06-01-2005, 10:00 AM
Hi Folks. You could of course make a feature of it. (http://sal.neoburn.net/imagef1/files/Tatoo_head.jpg)

Fergie
06-01-2005, 10:04 AM
Tattooing small pictures of Rabbits on the scalp may work.

(From a distance they look just like hares....)


LMAO!! :D

PcNut
06-01-2005, 10:38 AM
(From a distance they look just like hares....)
Jeez, like we haven't already heard every bald joke ever invented.

As far as a cure for male pattern baldness, there isn't one.
I started going bald at 18 & it just never really bothered me
I suppose the needle on the old Chickometer never went as high as lads with plenty of hair but I never seemed to have any trouble (I think)
You get used to the Bald Jokes after a while & learn to laugh at your self when someone cracks one (even though it's probably the eleventyth time you'd heard it)
I did have one wee rule for myself though, I'd let someone away with wisecracks twice then ask them to cut it out, If they did it again I'd smack 'em in the teeth (works well) Some people just don't know when to stop.
Some unbeleivable people when you meet them for the first time would say something like "Oooh you're bald"
You need some quick one liners for those idiots like:
"Hell, am I!! Oh well at least I haven't got a big hooter like you!
or "Better than having acne or being ugly like you eh"
or "Better than being flatchested like you, were you hiding behind the door when they were giving out the h....rs? (Pick their worst obvious feature & play on it) Good for a laugh & it shuts them up real quick!!
Unfortunately my son has also inherited my "haircut" he is a 110KG front rower but he doesn't seem to get too many wiseguys, I wonder why?
As others have said a No.1 is the way too go
Of all the transplants/fixes/rugs I've seen they all look like what they are, bloody awful.
Be Bald, Be Proud!
Here endeth the lesson

Metla
06-01-2005, 10:55 AM
I shaved my head when i was 18, and it never grew back.

lol.

To tell the truth i had made a bet for $500 that i would shave me head,and get bullet holes tattood on one side and...uh....exit holes on the other.

Glad i sobered up :D



Can't say I have ever been the subject of bald jokes ,nor has it ever bothered me in the slightest...

sam m
06-01-2005, 11:18 AM
Hair is overrated.

Tried it, didnt like it, been bald for 12 years.

I wish the bloody thing would stop growing as it would save me a fortune in razor blades.

It's always the way isn't it, those without it - want it. Those with it - dont.


Unfortunately my son has also inherited my "haircut" he is a 110KG front rower but he doesn't seem to get too many wiseguys, I wonder why?
I am in this size range which would explain why I have never ever had anyone make fun of me (to my face anyway) about my lack of hair and on the plus side, chicks just want to rub it.......... yes a conversation starter so keep it smooth and be bald and proud.

John H
06-01-2005, 11:47 AM
When we were kids, we used to tease Dad, but he has had his revenge. I am now watching it happen to my son as well - THERE IS NO ESCAPE!

I want to support those who say that a number one or shaving is the way to go. I have a friend who has done the number one thing, and he looks great IMHO. However, SWMBO has put her foot down about me doing the same thing. I think she is still living in the halcyon days when I won a "Beatles Lookalike" competition. Perhaps a number one would be too damaging to that fantasy...

I have heaps of hair around the back and sides - it has to be thinned each time I get a hair cut, which seems ironic and unfair. On top there are sparsely distributed hairs that stick straight up, or at 30 degrees, or 45 degrees, or whatever... but they never lie down or all go the same way. Sigh. I do my own number one for those undignified reminders of what I have lost, and this seems acceptable to Her Indoors...

Go for a shave or a number one rather than the expensive and sometimes painful and risky restoration regimes! The worst that can happen is that you or yours won't like it, but it will grow back!

TonyF
06-01-2005, 01:10 PM
All mine fell out about 18 months ago (all body hair as well - the lot !!). A dermatologist said that if it has decided to do that, no-one can do anything about it. So I lived with it, and almost decided to change my log-in name to Baldy something.
But in September last it started to come back, and I ended up with 1.5 cm of good stuff, and shaving every second day ! But mid-Dec it started to go again, and now I am again a baldy. But I do believe I have faint signs of a fuzz appearing, so ever hopeful ...
Cheers Tony

agent
06-01-2005, 04:41 PM
Being content that you are bald is one thing, but resorting to the use of violence when faced by less understanding people shows that you are no better than them.

Prescott
06-01-2005, 05:45 PM
All mine fell out about 18 months ago (all body hair as well - the lot !!). A dermatologist said that if it has decided to do that, no-one can do anything about it. So I lived with it, and almost decided to change my log-in name to Baldy something.
But in September last it started to come back, and I ended up with 1.5 cm of good stuff, and shaving every second day ! But mid-Dec it started to go again, and now I am again a baldy. But I do believe I have faint signs of a fuzz appearing, so ever hopeful ...
Cheers Tony
the lot? as in even your eyes brows?

TonyF
06-01-2005, 06:16 PM
the lot? as in even your eyes brows?
Worse !!!! I am sleek like a seal ....
Now if I get some regrowth, maybe a Brazilian ....

Cheers Tony.

Prescott
06-01-2005, 07:00 PM
scary........ im certianly not loosing hair at 16...............yet

jackrulz
06-01-2005, 07:48 PM
thanks guys this has been very informative and umm interesting, my friends keep saying to me i have a receding hair line (i think my forehead is getting bigger) so yea was lookin into some treatments but now i think a no 1 all round looks just fine ..

John H
06-01-2005, 08:29 PM
...my friends keep saying to me i have a receding hair line (i think my forehead is getting bigger) ... ..

Your hair line is not receding; it is an optical illusion - your brain is just getting bigger! Wisdom rulz...

Cicero
06-01-2005, 09:08 PM
For myself I have to get my hair thinned,could I suggest you chaps stop putting "round up" in your brylcreem ;)

Dally
06-01-2005, 09:51 PM
The classic response of a baldy to a hairy is:- "God gave us so many hormones and if you want to waste yours growing hair that's your problem"

Baldy
07-01-2005, 07:47 AM
Love it! Whats wrong with being bald anyway? Shave it all off :D

This is one topic I never thought I would see on PressF1.

bonric
19-07-2006, 03:57 PM
This might help you to understand the conditiona nd what can be done for it.


Male Pattern Baldness (MPB) or also called Androgenetic Alopecia.


The discovery of what causes MPB stemmed from prostate gland treatment. The prostate gland, later in a maleís life, can start to enlarge in size putting pressure on a maleís bladder (causing discomfort of frequent urination). More than 1 million Australian men are thought to suffer this condition. Due to the severity of this problem medical researches discovered that it was caused by a hormone called dihydro-testosterone (DHT). This hormone is derived by the male hormone testosterone and an enzyme called 5 Alpha Reductase. A prescription tablet named Finasteride was developed which blocked the enzyme from converting the testosterone into DHT.

The DHT hormone is shown to be responsible for the enlargement of the maleís genitalia during fetal development (before you are born) and after it has done this it has no other beneficial function.
Once this tablet was being used by a vast number of men, an interesting side effect was noticed. It stopped Male Pattern Baldness. The results staggered the medical community. More research was done and they found that you only needed one fifth of this drug for it to be effective in stopping baldness. The other side effect found with this drug, was a possibility of dropping the males sex drive (although the latest studies show that this is clearly a placebo effect). This drug is the only available product medically proven to reduce DHT.

The DHT hormone interacts with the normal growth cycle of the hair strand. Shortening the growth phase and lengthening the dormant phase. It is doing this by destroying the matrix cells inside the hair root. You must reduce the hormone DHT to stop baldness. We also have a herbal capsule called Saw Palmetto which is shown to block matrix cell receptors from taking on the DHT hormone. It is now the most widely accepted product used by Urologists in Europe for the treatment of prostate enlargement. A combination of these two products have shown to be over 98% effective in stopping further hair loss
with our patients.

As we have discovered the cause of Male Pattern Hair loss (MPB) and how to stop it, let us now look on how to grow hair back.

If you have been losing hair for a short period (less than 7 years) then they have a good chance of regrowing a vast amount of hair back.

A prescription tablet called Loniten was developed to treat high blood pressure about 25 years ago. It had an amazing side effect of stimulating the matrix cells in the hair root to work harder in making keratin. Unfortunately it effected every hair follicle in the body. To counter this problem the tablet was crushed into a fine powder renamed Minoxidil. Minoxidil was then added to an alcohol, propylene glycol and water to create the first medically proven topical product for regrowing hair. The highest strength of minoxidil that you can buy over the counter in a pharmacy is 5% (Rogaine Extra or Hair A-Gain). These topical products have the success rate of around 40% in regrowing hair.

A more potent minoxidil product is 5% minoxidil + .01% retinoic acid. The retinoic acid is shown to increase the absorption of the minoxidil product by three fold. Clinical trials conducted at the University of New South Wales dermatological department showed that all clients who had been losing hair for less than 7 years, grew on average 113% more hair on their heads.

The highest minoxidil product is a 7% minoxidil + .01 retinoic acid. If this product doesnít grow any hair, then the only option is for a hair transplant.

The latest buzzword for hair treatment is to use a laser. The laser option is shown to improve the normal 5% minoxidil (Rogaine Extra or Hair A-Gain product) from around 40% increase in hair regrowth to around 70% hair regrowth. This laser technology is not proven to do anything else other than increase the absorption of the minoxidil liquid. Non medical practitioners claim all sorts of wonderful benefits from this laser option. This is due to them not being able to prescribe medical products.

There is a definite necessity to incorporate a combination of medical products to ensure that the Dihydro-testosterone hormone is blocked and that the hair root matrix cells are receiving stimulation via minoxidil.

The higher strength minoxidil are only available by prescription and are made up by the pharmacist.

The history of treating baldness dates back to as long as 6000 years ago. People have been rubbing all sorts of products onto their scalps with the hope of finding a miracle cure. Men have been shaving their heads hoping that this will make the regrowth thicker and stronger. Massaging their heads to try to increase blood circulation (note that if hair loss is caused by poor blood circulation, then why does a hair follicle transplanted from the back of the head and inserted into the balding area nearly always grows?). The reason is quite simple, Male Pattern Baldness is not caused by poor blood circulation it is caused by genetics.

The Internet now has numerous retail products that claim all sorts of wonderful results. Hairdresserís are informing us of reps going around trying to sell products, which destroy a demodex parasite which lives inside the hair follicle. (This demodex parasite does exist but it does not cause any problems, it is just one of many parasites that live on us). The best one that we have heard recently, is that a low-level laser can block the hormone DHT (this is not possible).

Unfortunately the general consumer can and does get misled by these products and services. The reason is quite simple on why this happens. They are desperate to get their hair back. This is not an unusual desire as a lot of men losing hair are very young. Our client average age is around 25 years old. These clients donít mind the idea of losing their hair but feel that they are too young to experience it yet. These clients are only suitable for medical intervention.

The only way that the general consumer can be protected from these sorts of products and services
is for them to be consulted by medical doctors who specialise in this field.

The final area of discussion is on what are the new technologies being developed. The latest product awaiting government approval is called Dutasteride. This tablet was again developed for the treatment of enlargement of the prostate gland. It has already shown great potential in treating baldness. Early reports are stating a success rate of around 95% on stopping baldness. This product will not be great in growing hair back, as it does not increase the work rate of the matrix cells but removes the environment that causes baldness. One bizarre technology is called genetic mutation. About 3 years ago scientists from Boston University discovered a molecular messenger that can transform skin cells into hair follicle cells. When they injected this product into the skin region, matrix hair cells were formed and hair grew where there wasnít a hair follicle present beforehand. It is at a very early development stage, but it does sound promising.

Regards,

Dr Mario Terri MB BS (WA)
Member International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery

TideMan
19-07-2006, 10:19 PM
Here's a response to baldy comments that I like:
"You'll never see a bald eunuch."
Evidently, there's some truth in that.
Baldness results from testosterone.
If you don't have it, you won't go bald (except if you're sick, of course).

Graham L
20-07-2006, 02:41 PM
The original post (in January) was asking for a "real good treatment for male pattern".

We've had a response from a hair replacement specialist.

Next, an article from a sex-change specialist? Surely that, if a bit extreme, should work. :thumbs:

Shortcircuit
20-07-2006, 03:13 PM
Here's a response to baldy comments that I like:
"You'll never see a bald eunuch."
Evidently, there's some truth in that.
Baldness results from testosterone.
If you don't have it, you won't go bald (except if you're sick, of course).

Hmmm... I wonder how many men would go for being 'eunuchated' as a cure for baldness. I'm not sticking my hand up :eek:

Graham L
20-07-2006, 03:33 PM
It's not your hands you should worry about; the only change they would exhibit would be less hair on the backs, and maybe on the palms. :thumbs:

netchicken
20-07-2006, 04:40 PM
As one starting to thin on top as well, I think there are 3 stages to baldness..

Stage 1 Denial.
- invest in hair treatments, waste money on hair transplants, cremes, or hairpieces, or (horrors of all) growing the hair on one side of your head long and looping ot over the top. (In this situation just who are you trying to fool? Its obvious to anyone that you are going bald when you do that, might just as well stick a sign on your head.)

Stage 2 Compensation.
- wear baseball caps, or try some of the techniques from stage 1. Or grow the remaining hair long (eeeeewwwww!!) Sort of like a balding mullet. Grow a beard, or goatee, or just moustache, and pretend your hair has just slipped.

Stage 3 Acceptance.
- Shave it all off and go bald. Get a #1 and ignore it.

Best to skip the long winded, and often expensive times of 1 and 2, and just shave it off. Admit it, and face the reality head on!

After all we all know that that baldness comes from excess testosterone and means that you are really a stud.

(That is a fantastic post from Bonric above!!!!) This seems good, if they developed it as a creme to wipe on (instead of being injected), then everywhere it touched you would grow hair, the potential trouble would be facinating.


One bizarre technology is called genetic mutation. About 3 years ago scientists from Boston University discovered a molecular messenger that can transform skin cells into hair follicle cells. When they injected this product into the skin region, matrix hair cells were formed and hair grew where there wasn’t a hair follicle present beforehand. It is at a very early development stage, but it does sound promising.

tutaenui
20-07-2006, 08:17 PM
They say Grass doesn't grow on a busy street.

Billy T
21-07-2006, 12:53 PM
Benefits of Baldness:

1) You never wake up with your hair a mess.

2) A bottle of hair shampoo lasts 2 years.

3) There's nothing for the wind to mess up.

4) You never have to carry a comb.

5) Hairbrush?????? :confused:

6) Lots of women think its sexy.

7) Haircuts take a couple of minutes and cost bugger-all.

8) There's no such thing as a bad haircut.

9) You get to laugh at your sons when they call you baldy and tell them it's hereditary (they check their pillows for weeks).

10) You never have to wear a hairnet around machinery, not like those other wussy girlie types afraid that they might get scalped.

11) Less chance of leaving DNA lying around at the scene of the crime.

12) Women just love the feel of a smooth pate, it's a great icebreaker and a good excuse to get tactile in return. "You liked that? Great! Now it's my turn.............."

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :)

That's just a few off the top of my head :D Anybody care to add to the list?

Greg
21-07-2006, 01:05 PM
This might help you .... sound promising.

Regards,

Dr Mario Terri MB BS (WA)
Member International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery
Dear Mr Mario.... any twit with a girl's name like yours is obviously interested in men's hair. The cure for the MB BS WA (B******T WANK*** ANONYMOUS) syndrome, is to quit spamming NZ forums and go buy yourself a boyfriend.

Billy T
21-07-2006, 01:30 PM
Dear Mr Mario.... any twit with a girl's name like yours is obviously interested in men's hair. The cure for the MB BS WA (B******T WANK*** ANONYMOUS) syndrome, is to quit spamming NZ forums and go buy yourself a boyfriend.
Jeez Greg, you leave me in no doubt whatsoever that you have fine and full head of hair. :D

There's no way that anybody suffering from MPB could ever have managed a "bad hair day" outburst quite as strong as that. :eek:

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

Greg
21-07-2006, 01:59 PM
LOL Billy. Yeah, I do have a lot of hair. I typically cut it (myself) each three months or so, but when I don't it goes crazy.

In contrast, my late dad was close to bald in his mid-thirties. So I evidently didn't inherit his hair genes.

FoxyMX
21-07-2006, 02:29 PM
6) Lots of women think its sexy.


12) Women just love the feel of a smooth pate, it's a great icebreaker and a good excuse to get tactile in return. "You liked that? Great! Now it's my turn.............."

:horrified :xmouth: :yuck:

Billy T
21-07-2006, 05:57 PM
*cough* I take it you are not a fan of the less than hirsute Susan. :D

However, having spent a number of years as one of the follicly challenged, I can assure you that tastes vary and there's no accounting for why one is favoured over the other. Losing my hair never caused me any problems, it just saved money on haircuts, and time in preparing to go out.

I guess some like the Nandor Tanczos "build your own turban" look, and others go for the less is more; with a swinging group in the middle who can take it or leave it.

If a "significant male" in your life started losing his hair, it would be interesting to know which strategy you'd prefer, the Yul Brynner look, the Brylcreemed comb-over, or the toupee'd tosser.

Cheers

Billy {8-{)

(I've put my hairpiece on, just for you :thumbs: )

Laura
22-07-2006, 05:13 AM
Sorry to veer your post sideways, Billy T, but I can assure you that Yul Brynner had rather more going for him in the sex appeal stakes than merely his lack of hair.

Any other suggestion is like saying Marilyn Monroes's appeal was in her voice.

(It's a female thing - for those of us old enough to remember...Eat your heart out, baby-faced Brad Pitt)