View Full Version : testing a web page

17-11-2004, 09:06 PM
im making a web page for a frend and am redy to test it ( i havent got the hosting yet so its on tripod hosting)
could some people test the site and also give me some ffed back about the layout of the page
the address is http://sbaird3.tripod.com/phat/.
any tips would be helpfull

17-11-2004, 09:17 PM
Keep at it mate, just a few points so far.

I see you are using 3 frames:
1 left
1 top
1 main

I would have the top frame go the complete width and the left frame under it.

Some people dont display bigger than 800*600 so it's nice if they dont have to scroll sideways, of course this is personal choice.

The buttons down the left dont align perfectly for me on firefox.

17-11-2004, 09:19 PM
Check your site through the W3 Validator (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://sbaird3.tripod.com/phat/) - I'd recommend doing each page to (always helps to comply with the standards).

As for the site - beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so get the opinion of the people that will be using it.

17-11-2004, 09:26 PM
dam it found 37 erros

17-11-2004, 10:26 PM
> Some people dont display bigger than 800*600 so it's
> nice if they dont have to scroll sideways, of course
> this is personal choice.

yep, & the site does not look that good in 800 X 600 see screen shot:

Firefox (http://sal.neoburn.net/imagef1/files/Phat_Flavaz_firefox.jpg)

IE (http://sal.neoburn.net/imagef1/files/Phat_Flavaz_IE.jpg)

17-11-2004, 11:08 PM

I find dark blue text on a black background hard to read under artificial light. It looks classy at first - then becomes difficult/irritating.

I note that many sites aimed at young people use dark lettering with black, so maybe it's an age/eyesight thing - and hence won't bother your target viewers?

But it'd be interesting to ask on this forum how many have this difficulty. Or is it just me?
(You do want it to be easily navigated, after all...)

17-11-2004, 11:20 PM
about the frames layout, it could use some tweaking.

rather than using only percentages to size the frames, which resize relative to the size of the browser window, you should use some px values for the frames which should stay a certain size for best effect, specifically the top and sidebar.

an example code chunk from your page source, changed accordingly:
<frameset rows="181,*" cols="*">
<frame Name="C" SRC="http://sbaird3.tripod.com/phat/top.html" scrolling="no">
<frame NAME="B" SRC="http://sbaird3.tripod.com/phat/home.html">

17-11-2004, 11:42 PM
It looks different than when you sent me the link on IRC... Or is it me?

Looks fine in 1024x768, but frames are a real bugger because they look horrible in lower resolutions.

Try making them a static width so they always fit everything in. You don't want cut off stuff.


17-11-2004, 11:43 PM
Didn't notice your post Sal. My bad :8}

17-11-2004, 11:56 PM
Might I confirm that yes, even to a teenager such as myself, dark text on a dark background is quite hard to read. In this case the effect is compounded by the text fading to an even deeper shade.

I do like the graphic art, it looks rather nice. But overall, I've got to say the site holds the look that many sites on the internet do.

What I mean by this is that due to the vast size of the internet, there are many older websites that show their age in terms of style, colours, layout - those sorts of things. This particular site, for me at least, holds that sort of look, especially with the choice of dark colours.

You might like to find out what it looks like on a white background (which will require the graphic art to be in inverse colours), but even a change as simple as that would make it look newer (to me, anyway).

18-11-2004, 12:01 AM
I agree agent. Black sites do tend to look older and more unprofessional. But what look is the sight trying to acheive?

18-11-2004, 12:03 AM
Hi Sam
Looking good.
Using Firefox, if I hover over the "Phat Flavaz Hauraki" heading and the "Monster dream job ad" and scroll the mouse with the wheel, the header and ad start to wobble / shake - I think it is a sizing issue with the ad and the frame thingy (BTW I found it when I hit the wheel button by mistake :) )
But as I said earlier, it looks good.

18-11-2004, 12:05 AM
Not too fond of the Tripod banner though ;)

18-11-2004, 12:09 AM
Also the e-mail link, sam @ phatflavas . co . nz, seems not to exist (no shuch domain it seems). Or is that coming soon? That $50 hosting I mentioned is for a .com BTW, its $74 for .co.nz.

Or I might be on totally the wrong track...


18-11-2004, 02:35 AM

The site is quite good at first look, I like the graphics and name, except hauraki, it's just doesn't stand out, or just doesn't seem readable as in when you read the name it's overlooked unless you really look at it, the name is quite important for any site, maybe experience with a bit of colour, either in Phat Flavaz or just the Hauraki bit, try and make it so that the flow of the name can be read as easy as possible.

The blue text on black background, well it's a minor issue to be honest, as long as the main text for readability isn't blue on black, or if it is, it's a bit larger than normal sized text, but it may still be a problem after long reading.

People are so fast paced on the web now, that they rarely look at it long enough to realise that it's not the right colour for it (but if it really didn't work well with the site, you'd know sooner than this), but I looked and could see all the button links clearly and knew I won't have trouble with it. You'd be surprised how much people really take notice of a complete website, unless they're specifically asked to actually "look" at the site.

I'm not a fan of frames or scrollbars, although scrolling up and down isn't too bad, I still don't like it but sometimes you just have to settle for it.

Thumbnailing of the images could be better, comments should still exist with the enlarged images, background should be consistent in colour.

W3C standards should be met, so majority of viewers will have no problem viewing.

Things that really should be looked at,

Name, the top frame, should take the whole top and maybe a slight decrease in the size, the link image buttons should be smaller, they seem quite big even at the high resolution that I run my screen at so I can only imagine that people running smaller resolutions it would dominate more.

I would look into tables and dynamic content though, but it's personal preference, you can reproduce the same frame like effects with the name staying positioned at the top while the content scrolls underneath it using CSS (Cascading StyleSheets).

Wish there was more content about Phat Flavaz Hauraki, I'm interested in what they do, so make sure there's more information, I can only assume what they do with the info provided.

If I may suggest a good free host http://www.100webspace.com/ check them out or for a wider choice of options, reviews, etc then the free web host database at http://www.free-webhosts.com, if it's only for testing then it should meet your requirements and more, beats tripod and the likes.


18-11-2004, 10:29 AM
thanks every one
in resopnse to the email question no that email address is not active yet but it will be once i get the site on its proper hosting

in resopne to wanting more info on phat flavaz i am adding more info as i get it
hope to be ading some info on upcoming events today or tomoro

18-11-2004, 11:48 AM
could some one give me the code so i can set it up like Rob99 seed
i just cant get it working

18-11-2004, 01:35 PM
> that coming soon? That $50 hosting I mentioned is for
> a .com BTW, its $74 for .co.nz.

Way way way overpriced for a .nz

18-11-2004, 02:14 PM
<frameset rows="80, *" cols="*" frameborder="no" border="0" framespacing="0">
<frame src="topFrame.html" id="topFrame" name="topFrame" scrolling="no" noresize="noresize" />
<frameset cols="80, *" border="0" framespacing="0">
<frame src="leftFrame.html" id="leftFrame" name="leftFrame" scrolling="no" noresize="noresize" />
<frame src="mainFrame.html" id="mainFrame" name="mainFrame" />

18-11-2004, 02:34 PM
Thats for a $75 for a years hosting and a domain name

18-11-2004, 05:57 PM
Just out of personal interest, is the hosting going to be in New Zealand?

If so, I'd love to know who can give a years hosting and a domain name for $75.

18-11-2004, 08:52 PM
That would be from me Agent :).

That price is for a .co.nz domain name, 1GB space, ASP, PHP, Perl, CGI, other languages can be added. Unlimited POP3 e-mail accounts. If you want a feel for the server, some sites hosted on it:


Bandwidth is flexible, that price I would expect around 500MB per month, maybe up to 1500MB. Much more and the price would increase a bit.

It's not a business endeavour of mine, just a on-request sort of thing. That means there aren't many other sites on the server.

IP Address is static and shared. Connection speed is 2mbit. Uptime measured over a month is 99.4% (one hour per week average down time, this is at night usually for maintainance or upgrades).

This is not advertising BTW, only because you asked. This isn't a business endeavour, just for people that ask :).


18-11-2004, 08:54 PM
Arg, didn't answer the question!

It's in my house, which is in NZ.

IP is on Orcon.


21-11-2004, 03:00 PM
ive doen some small updates to the page could some people have a look again
what do you thing of the colors on the buttions redibility
is the green good
address is http://sbaird3.tripod.com/phat/
ignore the adds new hosting on its way