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Tony S.
09-10-2004, 06:05 PM
Hi forum, this is completely off topic, but does anyone know of a website where you can stream the Bathurst motor race tomorrow, on dial-up connection. Probably flogging a dead horse here, but would like to give it a try if available.
Cheers all

Exwesty
09-10-2004, 06:07 PM
On dialup you'd have to be joking

Drive to the nearest pub with a big screen tv :-)

Exwesty
09-10-2004, 06:15 PM
If you lived in Australia and were a Bigpond Broadband subscriber you could go to the site below....

http://www.bigpond.com/sports/content/v8_bb.html

If i lived in Australia, even if I were a Bigpond customer.... I'd be at the track instead!

stu120404
09-10-2004, 10:19 PM
>but does anyone know of a website where you can stream the
> Bathurst motor race tomorrow

Last year I looked for the same thing & the only thing I found was for OZ people & that they have Bigpond Broadband as Exwesty said.

It is a pity they donít have any thing for people outside OZ but that is life.

Enjoy The Race :)

Spacemannz
09-10-2004, 10:35 PM
I saw the shorts of it on TV something about 11.00 tomorrow morning or night. So you maybe able to watch it after all.

supergran
09-10-2004, 10:40 PM
Starts on tv at 11am, race proper starts 1pm, go those blue ovals. :D

For people who are not petrol heads, that means Fords.

drb1
10-10-2004, 02:01 AM
Gran,

The "Orange roughies", in "opel bodies", with Australian "skins", and "interior's" ,will be chasing you for that.

D.

beetle
10-10-2004, 09:28 AM
Ya mean the toy motor cars????? :D those ones that just hold'n together like...:p

nah Ford is better,

LOL we get to watch it on telly,

while hubby is out walking around in mud up to his ears, in leggings in some paddock in the middle of nowhere 4x4 ing....and its raining for a change..... so can imagine what colour he is gonna be when he gets home.
apart from the fact he's brassed off at missing Bathurst again.
oh the things we do for so called fun. ?:|

enjoy.

beetle

MrBeef
10-10-2004, 09:51 AM
FORD = Driver returns on Foot :P

FORD = Fix or Repair daily



As ya can tell im a Holden fan - GO MURPHY !!! WOOOO :D


But to be fair
Holden = Hope our luck doesn't end now :D

miknz
10-10-2004, 10:03 AM
My pick is Stone brothers racing 1st
Murphy 2nd
and for a wild card I would love to see brocky come in third.

While I dont get into the heated ford v holden gig I think that it is about time that ford had a win and I think team pirtek has it in them.

I LOVE BATHURST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

andrew93
10-10-2004, 11:10 AM
Pop Quiz : when was the last time a Ford (ewww!) won Bathurst and how many times has a Ford (ewww!) won in the past 10 years?

Read it and weep (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvnz_story_skin/451933%3fformat=html)

And another one for the Ford fans, who is the best driver of all time? Once again, read it and weep (http://www.brock05.com/brockstat.php).

Let the facts speak for themselves!

:D

beetle
10-10-2004, 11:58 AM
Ya know it doesnt bother me who wins, as long as nobody gets hurt. and every one had fun, no flames on the track if you get my meaning. when tempers flare things get out of hand and dangerous.

sport is often taken way too seriously and people lose the enjoyment of just being a player.

i mostly just say ford to brass off a real good friend who lives and breathes Holden...... and freaks at the thought of Ford winning..... :D
enjoy.

beetle

beetle
10-10-2004, 11:59 AM
Oh yeah and apart from the fact my brother in law sells Holdens for a living :p

really cheese's him off too....:D

beetle

MartynC
10-10-2004, 07:51 PM
Murphy...Murphy...

drb1
10-10-2004, 08:48 PM
> Pop Quiz : when was the last time a Ford (ewww!) won
> Bathurst and how many times has a Ford (ewww!) won in
> the past 10 years?
>
> Read it and weep (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvnz_story_skin/451933%3ff
> rmat=html)
>
> And another one for the Ford fans, who is the best
> driver of all time?
> Once
> again, read it and weep (http://www.brock05.com/brockstat.php).
>
> Let the facts speak for themselves!
>
> :D

when they changed the rulez AGAIN because HOLDON were getting beaten AGAIN by foriegn faster vehicles.

They created a 2 car HOLDON benifit.

I was priveliged to work on and drive real H.O.s, admittedly used, for an Auckland FOMOCO dealership.

Bring back Godzilla lets have a real race.

D.

hsv-b0y
10-10-2004, 09:04 PM
Godzillas dont belong in this race. Completly different type of vehicle to Holdens and fords.

GO MURPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drb1
10-10-2004, 09:14 PM
> Godzillas dont belong in this race. Completly
> different type of vehicle to Holdens and fords.
>
> GO MURPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just keep on changing the Rules untill you get the marketing formular you want.

Which is why you now have Chev Corvett (Detuned), powered Opels, chasing each other around a lovely race cirucit, with some Ford's as window dressing.

The rules have been so bent to deliver what the marketers want, that a once "Great Race" has become a greater Bore than F1.

D.

metla
10-10-2004, 09:26 PM
Todays race one of the best i have yet to see,And the fords are competitive.....so what are you on about? Did you watch it? ,do you follow the series?

supergran
10-10-2004, 09:37 PM
Well even though Muph won in a Holden, I still thought it was great race to watch and it didn't even get interuppted with rain this year. Pity the kangaroos wanted to watch too. LOL

As for Godzilla, it doesnt' seem that many years ago that it seemed like it was going to win Bathurst. LOL Guess I must be showing my age to admit watching that race too, albeit laying in a swimming pool in Perth, with the tv out in the pool area.

drb1
10-10-2004, 09:42 PM
Metla,

I know poeple in it, and their children in it, and also have aquaintences in it.

The Event is a marketing exersise, a shadow of its self.

Ford is allways as competitve as the bent rules allow.

Should ford accidently win for once the rules will be adjusted as required, to ensure no repeats, or attempt at domminance.

If the rules were fair Jack Raush (sp) would be there, with a team.

D.

drb1
10-10-2004, 09:45 PM
Gran,

WAS GOING TO ?

Red flag go back one lap on the Podium, and on appeal.

Do you not remember Dick spitting the dummy on the Podiun.

D.

Billy T
10-10-2004, 09:48 PM
Go Murph

Consistency wins.

FORD?

Found On Road Dead

Bit like the poor old kangaroo.:(

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

drb1
10-10-2004, 09:58 PM
>
> Found On Road Dead
>
> Bit like the poor old kangaroo.:(
>
> Cheers
>
> Billy 8-{)

If your going to rite it get it right it's:

Found on ROADSIDE dead. or Found on ROADSIDE drunk.

Cheating hastily engineered vehicle.

D.

HadO
10-10-2004, 10:14 PM
It all really comes down to just drivers - sure the engines are tuned slightly different to get better results in different aspects of racing different courses and the body shapes of the models must contribute at least something to aerodynamics but come on people the diversity in v8 racing is gone - hell the cars even look similar now.

Murphy is a great driver and he deserved to win (again) although I say this with a heavy heart as I expected Ambrose to win (as I do every year) or at least one of the FORD boys - the BA Falcon is a beautiful thing :D

drb1
10-10-2004, 10:28 PM
Hado,

Ford cylinder head restrictions, what delayed the entry/return of the 5.7.

Because Jack Rauche's G.T.H.O. Phase V desroyed current GM AUS product on paper, at the time.

That was all that was needed to delay the return of the 5.7, allowing the rules to be bent in GM AUS favour again.

Hence the man who fathered the return of the performance V8 Ford to Australia, did not supply his team.

The Chev, Opel, benifit continues.

D.

Billy T
10-10-2004, 10:47 PM
It will all be academic next year when Toyota join the fray.

With a few years development and traditional Toyota engineering and reliability I think the operative word from the GM & Ford camps will be Bugger. And road or roadside, dead is dead.

Nissan Godzilla swept all before it as I recall, as did the Texaco Sierras and a few other hot numbers until the rules were changed to exclude the competition.

I'm a Mazda fan myself, but it's still a good days racing though!

Cheers

Billy 8-{) ;)

HadO
10-10-2004, 10:50 PM
yeah bring on the Lexus' - but how long will it last before they change their minds again though?! would they? could they?

drb1
10-10-2004, 10:53 PM
Billy,

Good comment's, did you deliberatly leave out B.M.W. ?

Shame about the mazda thing, in general.

D.

metla
10-10-2004, 10:55 PM
Nothing wrong with a 2 car series,nor with restictions on whats allowed,all racing series have them.

There is also plenty of other places to see jap crap or cars with bigger sized engines.All cars enterend in the series are governed by the same restrictions and are competitve against each other....which is right where they should be.

I fail to see why people want cars from other manufacturers in the races,its a given that faster cars exsist,allways will be,So what if a japper can do better laptimes? So can a f1 car......

drb1
10-10-2004, 11:14 PM
Metla,

A.T.C. as a G.M.H. benifit is one thing.

Bathurst was "The Great Race" as a free for all.

Do you not rememBer references to brock running a holden powered A 35.

G.M.H have Stolen a great event and ruined it to further their marketing.

If Bathurst does not return to a much broader format it becomes just another event in the A.T.C. As has happened to Sanddown.

If the international flavour does not return the event will cease to be of Global interest.

That would be bad for Southern Hemisphere motorsport and particulary young reigonal drivers.

D.

metla
10-10-2004, 11:25 PM
lmao, Doesnt matter what cars or changes are made,Bathurst is of limited international interest,The rest of the world knows and cares nothing of Autralian racing.

And various races are held on Bathurst,no need to disrupt or ruin the V8 series.

drb1
10-10-2004, 11:42 PM
Metla,

So you have no problem with the A,T,C, Stealing what WAS an international event with REAL international significance?

"The Great Race" was a "Global" name given to the event.

By the "International Media" when the "Hardie" moved from Phillip Island to Bathurst.

G.M.H. almost killed the event when they forced out foriegn makes, because they were getting dicked, for no other reason was the AUS only format introduced.

The non V8 event was then burried by G.M.H. media manipulation.

D.

metla
10-10-2004, 11:50 PM
The holden vs Ford format suits me,and when it takes place on the worlds greatest track....EVEN BETTER.

The event is part of the series after all,and an open class event is still held, i watched Brock and murphy sharing a Monaro in the event a few months back(on Sky,not in person)

drb1
11-10-2004, 12:00 AM
Metla,

Was forced into the serise by G.M.H after the split.

The G.M.H "Sales Promo" is free to air whilst the real race is burried by G.M.H. and on sky.

If this was a ball sport event G.M.H. would never be allowed to pull of this sales promo as anything but an infomercial.

In reality the V8 event is nothing but a G.M.H. INFOMERCIAL.

D.

metla
11-10-2004, 12:05 AM
In reality the V8 series is more popular.

And why is this?

Because its an Aussie event, an Aussie track, Aussie cars, and an Aussie audience, and good on them for suporting their own.

And the international interest is near nil,as proven by the open class race.

drb1
11-10-2004, 12:18 AM
Metla,

Who orchestrated this shift?

Why?

Aussie Cars?

The FOMOCO AUS Falcon is as close as you can get to a real Australian car.

Hence the: Headroom, Shoulderoom, Legroom, the Armchair behind the steering wheel, and interestingly, its own 6cyl P.P.

(Personally I think the A series are the fuglyiest ever Falcon)

How does an Opel with a Chev/Buick slung in the front and a local skin and interior package qualify as an AUS Car?

Unless of course you'r G.M.H. telling the "Story".

D.

Vince
11-10-2004, 12:29 AM
I watched 1/2 hour of Bathurst this afternoon. It sure makes Formula1 look fast! Vince :D

drb1
11-10-2004, 12:36 AM
Vince,

Can you remember H.D.T.'S Embarresment when Peter took VK,A to Europe and got dicked in E.T.C.

Just before the big divorce and his B.M.W. endeavours.

Thats why they keep those nasty Foriegn cars out makes the G.M.H. product look fast.

D.

Greg S
11-10-2004, 04:46 AM
Best racing is the European Touring Cars series - specially the British :) Bathurst is sooooo boring

drb1
11-10-2004, 05:12 AM
> Best racing is the European Touring Cars series -
> specially the British :) Bathurst is sooooo boring

That and N.A.S.C.A.R/Crashcar if you understand roundys 20 + cars (av) within 10 sec of each other on the lead lap after 500 MILES that is competitive. and on an almost weekly basis.

Those idiots a sky stopped our coverage.

D.

sam m
11-10-2004, 06:04 AM
> The holden vs Ford format suits me,and when it takes
> place on the worlds greatest track....EVEN BETTER.

I agree with this format. To me Bathurst has a grudge match style genre which I am sure other motor sports have as well. eg mclaren vs ferrari (F1) Subaru vs Toyota (rally)

This race is akin to a classic boxing duel between 2 heavyweights duking it out lap after lap year after year. Adding other brands to the foray would be like adding lightweight and middleweights to this same boxing match. There would be lots of points of interest and it would end up being lots of different races in one but it would lose the heart of the race.

Agree though that it is about money - from all sides, those that are in power, and those that want in.

drb1
11-10-2004, 07:14 AM
> Agree though that it is about money - from all sides,
> those that are in power, and those that want in.

You talk as if it has allways been this way.

Such is thew Power pf G.M.H. misinformation.

The V8 2 car format is barley 10 years old.

The Hardie allways had a rool of the dice element like the Paris Dakkar.

Now unless it rains, and shows up all the Aussie non drivers, it has become slow BOORING. and far too predictable.

With the bent rule book the charnces of a Ford winning are worse than lotto, the chances of a true privateer winning almost nill.

G.M.H Have wrecked what was a highlight on the World Motorsport calandar.

What's worse they have done it with an Opel.

D.

Billy T
11-10-2004, 10:37 AM
Just a few minor corrections, and some questions raised:

Bathurst is an internationally broadcast event watched all over the world. It is not Australia only, and even China took a satellite feed.

According to one of the links posted above, BMW never won at Bathurst, the only makes to win other than Ford or Holden were BMC (Mini Cooper S) in 1966, Jaguar XJS 1985, and Nissan 1991 & 92. However a Vauxhall Cresta won the first Bathurst enduro, and according to the official statistics BMW won in a 320i in 1997 & 1999, with 1998 being won by a Volvo S40 with Jim Richards at the wheel. One way or the other, somebody has been rewriting history.?:|

Mazda won four out of five of the Bathurst 12 hour enduros up to 1995, don't know if it still runs now though.

Toyota or any other make admitted to the ATCC will have to run under unified rules so it will be engineering and reliability that makes the diff, along with a certain amount of Aussie chicanery. The Nissan GTR over came all of the restrictions they put on it though.

Personal opinion:

ETC cars are even more dedicated racers than the Bathurst cars. They are full racing chassis with a branded "shell" like NASCAR cars. Credit where credit is due, the Bathurst cars start as a road shell and retain the basic shape. ETC racing gets a bit tedious because nothing much seems to happen. They are too fragile for bump and thump. The BTCC used to be a thrill a minute with carnage everywhere from the moment the flag dropped back when Paul Radisich was racing there.

If they admit Toyota to the ATCC, I reckon it will take them two years to overcome the impediments placed in their way, and one year of "fair" competition to refine the final version, then they will finish within the top three or even win in their 4th year (if it takes that long). They won't have wheels falling off, inexplicable oil consumption, overheating that "never happened before" or any other of the myriad excuses paraded during the annual round of ATCC enduro races.


Of course, I could be wrong, it's been known to happen.:D

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :|
Why do I favour Mazda?
Holden's lack of reliability got to me after previous
happy experiences with an all Toyota fleet (preceded by a
tragic period with Ford during which we had to keep spare
engines in stores to ensure we got vehicles back on the road
quickly). I drove a killer Escort once that had the wrong front
brake discs fitted and locked the front wheels under any
braking if there was even a suggestion of water on the
road. Had to let the local Ford SM drive it on a wet day to
prove the point. He braked for the first corner and sailed
straight ahead through the intersection. It was fixed
no argument straight after he changed his underwear!

I started buying Mazda after Toyota wouldn't cut a
decent fleet deal and found their pricing better and reliability
excellent so I've stayed with them ever since. They recently
topped a reliability survey somewhere, the UK I think, but
they are unbreakable and very economic to run.

metla
11-10-2004, 12:13 PM
Funny,all the dedicated race fans that frequent the forums i visit have only ever seen highlights packages broadcast well after the event is played,and most have never seen any coverage of Bathurst.

The event falls well benath the radar of all but dedicated channels interationally and is about as relivent to the viewers as Aussie rules is to us.

If we look at another big event which has a broader international interest such as the Isle of man or Lemans,they still don't register with NZ viewers even though we have all heard of the events/tracks.

No matter what spin is put on it,Bathurst is an Aussie event,for Aussie cars and with an Aussie audience.

Billy T
11-10-2004, 02:49 PM
No argument with that overall perspective metla.

It would certainly do better if it broadened its horizons.

Cheers

Billy 8-{)

metla
11-10-2004, 02:54 PM
Maybe they just need to run a second heavily promoted event that is seperate from the V8 series.

Although i can't see such an event ecplising the popularity of the v8 series at Bathurst you just never know what may happen when the black art that is marketing turns its evill eyes outward......

Infact,Maybe they should run a production car based event where they invite the worlds best drivers to compete....Champions of Champions.

hsv-b0y
11-10-2004, 05:17 PM
Thats why its called the "Australian V8 Supercar series"

I think alot of fans will stop watching when they introduce another manafacture (sp?) to the series.... Its like trying to enter a Fiat Bambina into the Mini Cooper Halenstines challenge at Pukekohe...

If you want all sorts of cars, watch a series with all those cars! Dont try and change whats already there. If you ask me, I say there are V8 fans, and everbody else fans!

drb1
11-10-2004, 08:35 PM
> If you want all sorts of cars, watch a series with
> all those cars! Dont try and change whats already
> there. If you ask me, I say there are V8 fans, and
> everbody else fans!

We want BACK, what you STOLE.

D.

real V8 car club member

metla
11-10-2004, 08:36 PM
Sorry dbr1.Its 2004,times have changed.

Even Wanganui has a new mayor for the first time in 18 years.

drb1
11-10-2004, 08:37 PM
Metla,

An open, true production car, endurance event.

That has potential.

D.

drb1
11-10-2004, 08:45 PM
Billy T,

As a fleet vehicle mazda +. in motorsport, Rallying, but not for years now.

Toyo frequently cant/wont make $ sence.

The 2.4 D Hilux is still the Asian pickup though.

Unless you have the money for the D, commecial, F serise.

D.

beetle
11-10-2004, 09:14 PM
ooooooooohhhh dont be cruel hsv - boy i own a fiat bambina and they wonderful cars.........

my little bright orange car....... still going with the fruit theme....LOL

beetle

drb1
11-10-2004, 09:23 PM
> Sorry dbr1.Its 2004,times have changed.
>
> Even Wanganui has a new mayor for the first time in
> 18 years.

Not all change is good.

Bring back the WB one Tonne.

D.

supergran
11-10-2004, 09:48 PM
And I will just carry on driving my old Ford V8 the same as I have done for the last 10 years, and the 10 years before that was an older old Ford V8. Mind you, I have to beat the feet pretty often too now, as petrol just keeps going up. LOL

I like the format now of Holdens v Fords, and I think if it was changed, it wouldn't get coverage or people interest that it gets now. Just my opinion of course.

hsv-b0y
11-10-2004, 10:01 PM
A while back, the series almost died out due to lack of interest, this was just before they made it holden and ford only! I can see the same happening again...
As for Fiat Bambina's..... Go the beetle bus ;)

drb1
11-10-2004, 10:09 PM
> A while back, the series almost died out due to lack
> of interest,

Due to lack of interest?

How about the rest getting sick and tired of the rules continuosly being changed in the favour of G.M.H.?

That "FACT" that HDT by their own addmission were allowed to run illegal cars and park them on the last lap. so hogging all the TV coverage.

Try a little Truth for once.

D.