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Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 12:44 AM
Greetings,

Just wondering...
Ive got an external 120GB USB2.0 HDD
Ive got the first 95 used as a Fat32 partition... The rest is currently un-used.

Is it possible to install my 120 day trial of WinXP (Thanks MS) to my USB Drive? Currently my HDD is running Yoper Linux (I know it'll wipe the mbr, but I'll chroot into my install from the Love-LiveCDv2 and rewrite it) and I dont want it to be formatted.

Cheers


Chill.

Murray P
28-09-2004, 12:53 AM
What about putting something like XOL (http://www.ranish.com/part/) or GAG on before windows, would that capture it?

Cheers Murray P

Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 01:04 AM
Im not sure....

I'll be switching to GRUB on Thursday otherwise....

Just asking, as I dont have my HDD with me ATM (Its at work) and so I thought I'd ask before bothering to try anything....


Chill.

drb1
28-09-2004, 01:09 AM
Chill,

It should install ok.

But what sort of Boot order is in the Bios for this type of set up.?

Would you not need some form entry in your boot loader/Bios for the Bootable usb drive when present.?

Or have I misread your setup. if yoper is in IDE 1 drive, why would XP on USB wipe IDE MBR?

D.

Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 01:15 AM
Yeah - The other issue is can I get some sort of Linux Bootload to run it from the USB HDD?

This is _assuming_ it installs to it.

drb1
28-09-2004, 01:22 AM
Chill,

Boot loader?

Maybee a pure Boot manager is the required item, if there is one handelling bootable USB?

D.

drb1
28-09-2004, 01:32 AM
Chill,

Not in my current collectionof disk/partition managers.

Please let me know if you find one, I have been thinking along the lines of USB instead of racks for some things, this is one of the issues.

D.

whiskeytangofoxtrot
28-09-2004, 01:37 AM
I think XOSL supports it.

http://www2.arnes.si/~fkomar/xosl.org/

Best. BootLoader. Evar.

drb1
28-09-2004, 02:09 AM
> I think XOSL supports it.
>
> http://www2.arnes.si/~fkomar/xosl.org/
>
> Best. BootLoader. Evar.

Site dosent say boot from USB, but gives complex metheod of booting from 3 drives may have to download and read newest docs.

Looking-looking.

D.

Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 02:09 AM
Any chance you can point me to a success story in that case? Or a link on a website that at least mentions it does?

Thanks


Chill.

Rob99
28-09-2004, 02:29 AM
Have a look here (http://www.pcworld.com/resource/article/0,aid,112043,pg,2,00.asp)
and here (http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/usbcompat.mspx#EAAA)

45South
28-09-2004, 10:06 AM
http://www.osloader.com/
might be worth a look

Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 10:22 AM
Errr.... Im still no closer to knowing if its possible?

Has this not been done before or something?

I can put a Bootloader on my ide-0 device, no problems, if it boots USB.....

Thanks guys


Chill.

Murray P
28-09-2004, 11:11 AM
Should be possible if you have Boot Other, Boot USB or similar in your BIOS or is there a BIOS upgrade to do so? If you can, you would hide the other partitions with XOSL, for eg.

Cheers Murray P

PS. Typo above. XOL should have been XOSL.

Murray P
28-09-2004, 11:18 AM
Have a look at OSL2000 (http://www.osloader.com/), might give you some ideas.

Cheers Murray P

45South
28-09-2004, 11:49 AM
sigh

Murray P
28-09-2004, 12:00 PM
> sigh

Oooops, sorry 45, well ahead of the game :8}

At least there seems to be some consensus, XOSL posted twice, ditto OSL2000.

Cheers Murray P

45South
28-09-2004, 12:15 PM
lol, sigh wasn't aimed at you Murray

drb1
28-09-2004, 12:27 PM
Chill,

The new version of OLS2000 says it can boot from USB.

D.

drb1
28-09-2004, 12:59 PM
Chill,

Zboot is a lot simpler to use, it has an "Other" avenue, after c/d and floppy boot options.

I am awating a reply regarding using this for USB, or any inf about a USB revision simular to that in OLS2000.

D.

Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 01:01 PM
It can boot from USB? Great.... I'll download it and give it a shot today!

Thanks, I'll post back (Hopefully very soon).


Chill.

drb1
28-09-2004, 01:13 PM
Chill,

Please I want to know as well.

D.

Chilling_Silence
28-09-2004, 02:53 PM
Okay, I booted the WinXP Installation and it bitched and moaned about not having a boot loader that would boot from a SCSI device or something like that....

So, I took it outa its caddy, threw it in a nearby desktop (Its great working in PC-Repairs) and began the installation using the 2nd part of the HDD.
When it came time to reboot, I killed power to the PC and put it back into the Caddy.

Now to just get a Boot Loader (I'm gonna see if Lilo, perhaps Grub will do it first) that'll boot from my External!

Post back soon


Chill.

drb1
28-09-2004, 06:52 PM
Chill,

I thought that may be the case, and the fix, but now that its "in" will it Boot via OLS2K?

D.

Chilling_Silence
29-09-2004, 01:21 AM
I dont think I can install that without Windows first...

And also - How kindly will it take to my Reiser4 partition?

I may have to wait a day or two until I can replace Yoper with Gentoo (Hoping to do this Wednesday even -> Thursday evening) and have an Ext2 /boot partition.

Time to google on the product me thinks.

Sadly my Laptop cant boot from a USB Drive - So the boot loader muts be installed on my primary hdd with the ability to read from a usb device immediately.


Chill.

drb1
29-09-2004, 01:31 AM
Chill,

Reisers should not be a problem its just a format "in" a partition, is not the "partition table" the commander?

Shame about the lappie.

So both the Bios and the boot manager must need to be capable USB boot.

Must file that.

Look forward to hearing final result I believe you will win.

D.

Chilling_Silence
29-09-2004, 01:37 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Ive just posted to the LUG, hope for good results soon :-)

The BIOS doesnt need to boot USB - Only the Boot Manager, as the Boot Manager will be installed on my Primary Master HDD (AKA /dev/hda or (hd0,0) in GrUB).
This is why I want to see if its possible to do it with Grub or Lilo - keeping it native and all ;-)

Thanks for your help,


Chill.

Chilling_Silence
29-09-2004, 11:48 AM
While playing around I managed to kill Lilo.....

Fixed it in a few seconds from the Love-LiveCDv2...

Now comes the part where I ask for suggestions???


Chill.

drb1
29-09-2004, 12:06 PM
Chill<

I am supposed to be going to bed now, do you not have a copy you can reinstall?

Theres some mbr b/l recovery tools also. But this is instructing a master

How did this happen?

D.

Murray P
29-09-2004, 01:00 PM
Perhaps, install Lilo to /root and let the loader call it from there.

Cheers Murray P

Marlboro
29-09-2004, 01:57 PM
On this topic, does anyone know if there is a motherboard that has built in functionally of booting via either Firewire or USB2?

My brother in law has a Mac Powerbook (an older g3) which he can boot via Firewire. It seems like a great feature that is lacking from Windows PCs...

Graham L
29-09-2004, 04:41 PM
It looks as if you will need to have a BIOS which can boot from a USB device, for any "simple" approach to this.

Without that, the boot loader will have to run under an OS which has loaded the code necessary to recognise and access the USB storage device. Only then can it boot from it. Something like LOADLIN.EXE (which runs under DOS) would be nice. Except that DOS doesn't talk USB.:D

This is why it's called "bootstrap" loading. Gravity wins everytime if you try to lift yourself by your own boot "straps" (laces? -- shows how old the analogy is). You need somewhere to stand, and something to brace your lever against and you can move the world.

wintertide
29-09-2004, 05:22 PM
DOS can talk USB - if you grab the drivers off the USB Ghost Disk. :D

drb1
29-09-2004, 10:51 PM
Wintertide,

Which one 03/04/05 ?

02 does not have them.

D.

wintertide
29-09-2004, 10:55 PM
Ghost 2003... just make a USB boot disk and rip the drivers with the appropriate entries in config.sys and autoexec.bat out.

Works like a dream with my USB key on old PCs at work that don't support boot from USB!

drb1
29-09-2004, 11:20 PM
Wintertide,

I have a version of 03 in akl when I get back I may require so assist with that,

This waikato dial up very slow.

D.

wintertide
29-09-2004, 11:26 PM
Sure, will help ya out there :)

Anyone else who wants the files just email me and I'll send them to you when I have the time...

Wintertide

Murray P
29-09-2004, 11:34 PM
Here's some DOS USB drivers from Bootdisk.com (http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm). Any related to your method Wintertide?

Cheers Murray P

wintertide
30-09-2004, 09:02 AM
Yes, it seems to use the same drivers - will check on that but if it works... :)

Chilling_Silence
30-09-2004, 10:11 AM
*Chilling_Silence decides to have a play around with this today....

Even if I have to boot from a floppy... Im sure I can work something out :-)

Thanks Wintertide! Thanks Murray!


Chill.

Chilling_Silence
12-10-2004, 08:38 AM
Well, Ive decided that today Im going to get my ass in to gear (Its a shame to see my laptop have to be rebooted after a week-long uptime though) and grab this boot floppy (http://www.addonics.com/support/faqs/windows_OS_installation.asp) and give it a shot!

Will get onto it in a few hours, wish me luck!

drb1
12-10-2004, 08:45 AM
Chill,

I stumbelled this one, bit old but might be worth a quick flick through before the assualt

http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/MultiOS-HOWTO-6.html

Here's hoping this time

D.

Chilling_Silence
13-10-2004, 11:18 AM
http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/

Grabbed the USBASPI.SYS from there and the other lil file and added it to my config.sys.
It boots (Unlike 4x others Ive tried today) but doesnt actually pickup the HDD?


Off to try one of the aforementioned bootloaders


Chill.

Chilling_Silence
13-10-2004, 11:33 AM
OSL2000 totally b0rked my system... Even the UnInstallation wouldnt work :-(

Had to boot Lxnay's Live Installation CD and restore GrUB :-/

On to trying XOSL

Is it not possible to use GrUB to boot USB Devices? I had a quick google for the subject but not much came up :-/


Chill.

Chilling_Silence
13-10-2004, 11:39 AM
Xosl wouldnt install because it couldnt find drive c: (I dont use FAT32 on my HDD, only on my External/USB HDD).

Guess its back to the drawing board :-(


Chill.

drb1
13-10-2004, 10:57 PM
Chill,

Is the Bios, or something in the boot loader/manager the real stumbling block here.

O.T.

The Bios is the killer for Knoppix on a flash drive, but they have been using a minor boot floppy to start and place a usb driver. Knoppix then boots from flash.

Might just as well use cd in this situ IMHO.

D.

Chilling_Silence
14-10-2004, 01:49 AM
Im looking for something like that... There's LMS Linux which uses a Boot Floppy if your BIOS wont boot from CDRom, but I cant find this "Boot floppy" which has Grub on it?!?!

drb1
14-10-2004, 02:52 AM
Chill,

I will try to ask my net friend on /. they also are working with this.

D.

drb1
14-10-2004, 03:54 AM
Chill,

Is it in the lms download?

D.

Chilling_Silence
14-10-2004, 09:13 AM
Good point, Im just downloading it now :-)

http://linuxmobile.sourceforge.net/english/lms_download.html


Chill.

drb1
14-10-2004, 10:06 AM
Chill,

I did earlier, but I was in Crashdoze with IE, and IT CRASHED 1 FFF second from finish, I was not Impressed.

threw my toys ect and did not bother again.

hope its there I havent found that particulat boot loader either.

I want this to work so I can learn how.

I like also the Knoppix on a flash drive Idea, but will need this bootloader that we can not find for older gear.

be good as a750mg plus watch.

D.

Chilling_Silence
14-10-2004, 03:26 PM
Im using qemu ATM to install it and simply keeping the image on my external HDD :-)

I'll come back to it later perhaps when Ive got a lil more time on my hands and get a native installation :-/

So far though, Qemu rocks! Installing now :-)


Chill.