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stu120404
25-08-2004, 06:28 PM
Has any one here used Paypal? To like donate money or get money from other people via websites?

FrankS
25-08-2004, 07:01 PM
Just used it to pay US$7.00 for a Camera Manual via credit card on a secure line.
You get a e mail confirming the payment with advice on the details that will be shown on your card statement

andrew93
25-08-2004, 07:07 PM
We use it to buy things from overseas - especially USD, very easy to put money into but a quite bit harder to get it out

FrankS
26-08-2004, 12:32 PM
Following came in the mail this morning, as Paypal is mentioned though it may be of interest.

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MAILWASHER NEWSLETTER
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Hi, it's Nick Bolton from Firetrust.

I hope MailWasher Pro is working well for you. Thanks for registering your copy. I'm sending you this newsletter to help you stay one step ahead of the spammers.

Lately, we've had quite a few MailWasher Pro and Benign users asking us about "phishing" - so I thought I might take a couple of minutes to tell you what phishing is and how you can protect yourself against it.

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Phishing is a high-tech scam. The "phisher" uses spam or pop-up messages to trick you into giving out sensitive information like your passwords, credit card numbers, bank account information, or Social Security number.

Funnily enough, phishing is nothing new. It used to be known simply as identity theft and the scammers usually did it over the telephone. The scammer would call you up and pretend to be someone from the bank asking you to confirm your account information, credit card numbers, PIN numbers, or passwords. Obviously the scammer was limited by the amount of time it took to ring each person, so identity theft never really took off until the advent of email spam and websites, which meant identity theft has become much more profitable and therefore widespread. Unfortunately, it is now an everyday occurrence.

Here's how phishing works :

The scammer uses spam to send the phishing messages. You'll receive an email or pop-up message that looks like it's from a business or organization that you deal with Ė e.g.

- your Internet service provider (ISP), AOL, MSN, Yahoo, and Earthlink
- your bank e.g. Citibank, Westpac
- your online payment service e.g. PayPal
- a government agency

The message usually says that you need to "update" or "validate" your account information, and there's usually a threat they will do something bad if you donít respond within a short period of time, like close your account or charge you a fine.

So, you click on the link in the email and it takes you to a website that looks just like the legitimate organizationís site, but it's a carefully constructed fake. This fake site tricks you into entering your personal information. Using this information, the scammer can then steal your identity and run up bills or commit crimes in your name.

Phishing is becoming big business. In September 2003, the US Federal Trade Commission reported that "9.9 million U.S. residents were victims of identify theft during the previous year, costing businesses and financial institutions $48 billion and consumers $5 billion in out-of-pocket expenses."

Phew, that's a lot of people and a lot of money!

The biggest phishing scam in history occurred in November 2003, when a PayPal phishing message was sent to millions of people irrespective of whether they had a PayPal account or not. The scammers knew that there would be enough people with PayPal accounts to make it worthwhile for them.

So you probably want to know how to avoid phishing scams.

1. Change your attitude and behavior towards suspicious emails and pop-up messages. Become more vigilant. If in doubt, delete it. That's why MailWasher has a 'Delete' box!

- Check carefully the URLs (links to websites) within the email by using the preview pane in MailWasher. They might be links to fake websites.
- Even if it is from an institution that you use, like your bank or your ISP, telephone them to confirm that they did indeed send out a message. If the message asks you to enter confidential information about yourself, such as your password or PIN number, it is almost certainly a scam. Institutions like these almost never ask for such information over the Internet.
- don't give your account details to anyone without contacting them first by telephone and making sure the email is legitimate


2. Install security software. Nowadays, you need a firewall and an antivirus as much as you need locks on your doors at home. You wouldn't go out leaving all your doors open, would you?

- Some phishing emails contain software that can track your activities on the Internet without you knowing about it, so make sure you're screening your incoming mail with up-to-date antivirus software. You need anti-virus software that recognizes the latest threats as well as older ones; that can fix the damage; and that updates automatically. These products are all good bets:

Panda - http://www.pandasoftware.com/
AVG - http://www.grisoft.com/
Kaspersky - http://www.kaspersky.com/
NOD32 - http://www.nod32.com/

Our own product, Benign, protects you even further by rewriting the content of every incoming email and renaming or removing any suspicious attachments. We're still running our August $1,000 prize draw on Benign, so buy your copy now and you're in with a chance to win the cash!

http://www.firetrust.com/products/benign/buy.php

- a firewall blocks all communications from unauthorized sources and helps make you invisible on the Internet. A firewall is especially important if you have a high-speed Internet connection. Hackers love to take over broadband machines because then they can use them to spread spam even faster!

The best firewall I've come across is Agnitum's Outpost Pro. It's easy to use if you're a beginner and if you're moreadvanced,itgivesyoulotsofdifferentoptions.Seew ww.agnitum.zl6fordetails.

3. Finally, make sure you keep up-to-date with Microsoft's patches. The latest research shows that an unpatched Windows XP computer has a life expectancy of less than 20 minutes before it is compromised. Thatís less time than it takes to download the patches!

So check out Microsoft's Update http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ to make sure you're up-to-date.

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I hope you've found this newsletter helpful. I'll write to you again next month with more useful tips on how to beat the spammers and scammers.

Thank you to all of you who send us your comments and suggestions. We enjoy hearing from you, please keep in touch.
And feel free to forward this newsletter on to your friends and family. If you have any questions about how our products can keep you safe online, please contact us by email at: info@firetrust.com


Nick Bolton and the team at Firetrust
www.firetrust.com

pulling hair out
26-08-2004, 01:54 PM
Hi FrankS

Thanks for sharing that Mailwasher Newsletter.

Maybe the FAQ's that are being updated at the moment could include this kind of information on same FAQ as the antivirus/antispyware programs etc.
eg. Prevention and the Cure.

regards, marg.

annie
26-08-2004, 02:02 PM
I've used PayPal heaps over the last 2 years to buy stuff - mostly books and old fabric - off ebay, and for a few other things. I haven't had a single problem with it - it's fast and reliable, and transparent. Much easier than any of the alternatives. I've had a couple of small refunds also, no problem.
The first time you use it it's a bit confusing sometimes because the site is designed primarily for users in the USA, but you get past that and it's all ok.
One thing though - get yourself a low-limit credit card (mine is $500.00) to reduce your exposure to fraud.

stu120404
26-08-2004, 02:38 PM
> Has any one here used Paypal? To like donate money or
> get money from other people via websites?

Ok, I better give a bit more information here

I am currently helping out/looking after a forum (running phpbb) & the forum I help look after needs some funds to keep it online, so I have been thinking about setting up a Paypal account so the members can donate money to our site.

Has any one set-up a Paypal account to accept money before?

If so how do you do it?

Graham L
26-08-2004, 03:59 PM
stu: Why don't you use the links that Google will give you when you enter "Paypal"? The very first onewill get you into how to be a "merchant". Abit further down, there's Developer Central" which you can register and get the full informationon how to do it.

However ... I suspect that it might be gross overkill for what you want. It might also be expensive. I suspect they might have a minumum charge for "merchants".

Why don't you just have a bank account,and let people make direct credits, or make deposits at any branch of that bank?

Graham L
26-08-2004, 04:00 PM
stu: Why don't you use the links that Google will give you when you enter "Paypal"? The very first onewill get you into how to be a "merchant". Abit further down, there's Developer Central" which you can register and get the full informationon how to do it.

However ... I suspect that it might be gross overkill for what you want. It might also be expensive. I suspect they might have a minumum charge for "merchants".

Why don't you just have a bank account,and let people make direct credits, or make deposits at any branch of that bank?

whiskeytangofoxtrot
26-08-2004, 04:02 PM
> If so how do you do it?

Did reading their site crop-up by chance?

Register for an account.

Then read this (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=1490&loc=1489&unique_id=71307&source_page=_home&flow=)

Greg S
27-08-2004, 12:05 PM
> Has any one set-up a Paypal account to accept money
> before?
>
> If so how do you do it?

I use Paypal to receive payments from one of my customers overseas. It's awkward and cumbersome to use, they charge too much as far as I'm concerned, however it does work, and it's the cheapest option for the amounts I deal with.

Just be careful when you set it up that you pay attention to the warnings about the bank info you supply, and the currency you select.