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heaton
19-08-2004, 06:08 PM
Just acquired an external HD 120 Gb. If I do following:
My Compter/Edit/Select All/ Copy Selected Items / Drive E:
Will this copy the entire contents of my existing HD to the external HD as a backup in case of a HD crash ? Using windows XP.
The select all highlights all the folder on my existing HD, does this mean all the files in the folders will be copied ? Thanks in advance.

mr_rix
19-08-2004, 06:32 PM
No, you will get "file is in use" errors.

Boot into safe mode & copy the contents.

Hope this helps

godfather
19-08-2004, 08:48 PM
Still will not give a useable image of the drive to copy back.

You need to use proper "drive imaging" software to get a fully restored, bootable drive after a crash. Nortons Ghost or similar.

mr_rix
19-08-2004, 09:14 PM
Ew.
Ghost is very icky if you ask me.

Goto the 'usual places' and find the 'free' floppy version of Ghost, I like that, but the price is not justified.

mr_rix
19-08-2004, 09:17 PM
Heaton, email me

nzkleader at slingshot dot co dot nz

Tom

Chilling_Silence
19-08-2004, 09:32 PM
Rather than promoting Warez, why not promote Knoppix and the free PartImage (http://partimage.sf.net) which will do the same job :-)


Chill.

Chilling_Silence
19-08-2004, 09:35 PM
Sorry, that should be:
Knoppix (http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html)
And the free:
PartImage (http://partimage.org)

mr_rix
19-08-2004, 09:43 PM
Promoting warez? Pfft. I didn't even say the word!

Then again, I like Knoppix.

Okay then, in a more legal move, just do a Google search for 'shadow backup'

OR, spend lots of dosh and get yourself a RAID config :)

*IDEA* why not use the Windows Backup Tool? It will create a nice drive backup. Plus, it shadows.

Start->Programs->Accessories->System Tools->Backup

Just select the entire drive & have the .bkf file saved to the Ext HD.

heaton
20-08-2004, 05:54 PM
>
> Then again, I like Knoppix.
Seems to be all about Linux ???
>
> Okay then, in a more legal move, just do a Google
> search for 'shadow backup'
Will try this.
>
> OR, spend lots of dosh and get yourself a RAID config
Don't know about this
> :)
>
> *IDEA* why not use the Windows Backup Tool? It will
> create a nice drive backup. Plus, it shadows.
No such thing in Xp Home Edition.
Thanks anyway for all suggestions.

godfather
20-08-2004, 06:11 PM
> > *IDEA* why not use the Windows Backup Tool? It
> will
> > create a nice drive backup. Plus, it shadows.
> No such thing in Xp Home Edition.
> Thanks anyway for all suggestions.

Yes there is.
"Hidden deep in the recesses of the Windows XP Home Edition CD lies the actual installation program that you need to put the Backup Utility on your computer"...

Read it here:
http://windows.about.com/library/weekly/aa020203a.htm

heaton
20-08-2004, 08:08 PM
> > > *IDEA* why not use the Windows Backup Tool? It
> > will
> > > create a nice drive backup. Plus, it shadows.
> > No such thing in Xp Home Edition.
> > Thanks anyway for all suggestions.
>
> Yes there is.
> "Hidden deep in the recesses of the Windows XP Home
> Edition CD lies the actual installation program that
> you need to put the Backup Utility on your
> computer"...
>
> Read it here:
> http://windows.about.com/library/weekly/aa020203a.htm
This raises an interesting question. I bought my computer at a well known retailer and I did not get a windows XP disc with it. When I questioned them they told me something about an OEM agreement with microsoft and I do not get a disk. They said if anything goes wrong I should get back to them. I also have an extended warranty on the machine so are they right or have I been had ???

godfather
20-08-2004, 09:18 PM
Its probably already on yor system (in the CABS folder) but not installed.

mr_rix
20-08-2004, 09:52 PM
Not getting a CD sounds kinda suspect. I read somewhere on MS's site that if you were not provided with a installation disc, to contact their piracy division.

Who did you purchase from?

godfather
20-08-2004, 11:04 PM
Its quite legit to have OEM versions installed to the HDD and a CD key sticker on the case of the PC. No media is not uncommon.

Chilling_Silence
21-08-2004, 02:03 AM
I'd check that the sticker is on the side of the PC.... And that it says "Windows XP Home OEM Edition".

Its not a bad idea for the retailer to keep the Disc, as it promotes Goodwill because the customer has to return to you to get it re-formatted ;-)

R2x1
21-08-2004, 04:23 AM
> I'd check that the sticker is on the side of the
> PC.... And that it says "Windows XP Home OEM
> Edition".
>
> Its not a bad idea for the retailer to keep the Disc,
> as it promotes Goodwill because the customer has to
> return to you to get it re-formatted ;-)


Well for SOME values of "bad". it's "not a bad idea". :)
But I would have to slightly disagree with your interpretation of goodwill.
A return trip to the store neccesitated by theft on the part of the retailer might be stretching the definition a bit. I suppose, with enough customers infuriated at any given time it could mean a "Good" chance that the retailer's "Will" is about to be read.
Still, for the furniture / appliance / computer dealers, it is about par for the course.
I should be asleep :D
R2

heaton
21-08-2004, 02:59 PM
> Its probably already on yor system (in the CABS
> folder) but not installed.
The only CABS folder I can find is C:\ Program Files\Office update.
A search for CABS reveals a lot of CAB files and the only two executable files are
Makecab.exe and Cabdir.exe. No sign of anything that lookes like backup.

godfather
21-08-2004, 03:54 PM
Hidden partition on the hard drive?

Thats what many such as HP use, so you will not find it that easy.

Not sure what system you have so without any make and model any research is stifled.

J ZEP
21-08-2004, 04:47 PM
Hi Heaton, just a side thought, as, as GF said, without knowing what brand etc... its a little hard to comment - but for instance if its a Compaq (mother just brought one, without discs etc...) theres a built in backup program in the programs which lets you create your own Backup discs onto cds (actually Ghosts the system so they told me when i phoned) - if you have this kind of setup i wonder if you can ghost it over to the hdd instead of onto cds?? maybe by directing it to the other hdd instead of the cd drive...
May be an option??

heaton
21-08-2004, 04:57 PM
> Hidden partition on the hard drive?
>
> Thats what many such as HP use, so you will not find
> it that easy.
>
> Not sure what system you have so without any make and
> model any research is stifled.

System is Windows XP home edition. Computer is a Packard Bell NEC P2001268H2
Purchased from Harvey Norman couple of years ago. If I can't find it I will be going back to them. Found them pretty good to deal with and got to know their technical bloke quite well and we have an amicable business relationship.