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bigbadsi
28-07-2004, 07:39 PM
Hi PressF1ers

I want to build a PC that can play Doom3 - this is my primary spec.

I will frankstein my old box for the keyboard/mouse/cd-writer/speakers/sound card etc., but what I need is the mickey video card and then a motherboard and CPU to keep up with the GPU I hope to buy.

I've pretty much decided on a 9800XT - the six month bleeding edge window is now past, no? And a P4.

Can anyone advise on a motherboard I will be able to use for the next 18 months with this CPU/GPU setup? I would like to think I could play all new games, at reasonable settings, during this period.

Also, RAM. I probably won't OC so I'm thinking 2X512 and not Corsair.

I'm really pretty clueless so if I've made any obvious blunders already then a heads-up would be appreciated.

All comments will be welcome.

Si

Pete O\'Neil
28-07-2004, 08:08 PM
> I've pretty much decided on a 9800XT - the six month
> bleeding edge window is now past, no? And a P4.

The XT is a waste of money its barely faster than a standard 9800PRO and nearly twice the price. At the moment the 9800PRO is the sweet spot between price and preformance. Also remember that ATI and Nvidia have both released new graphics card e.g 6800 & X800. It might be a good idea to wait two months for the price to drop and the bugs to be ironed out.

> Can anyone advise on a motherboard I will be able to
> use for the next 18 months with this CPU/GPU setup? I
> would like to think I could play all new games, at
> reasonable settings, during this period.

If you want a P4 thats going to last for the next 18months your going to have fork out some serious cash for the lastest hardware. Hardware as we know at the moment is now obsolete. PCI and AGP have been replaced, socket 478 has been replaced, DDR has been replaced. I've tryed to explain this before on this forum but nobody seems to understand. We're currently in the middle of one of the biggest overhauls in PC technology EVER. You cant buy a PC at the moment that will last more than 6months without spending heaps of cash.

> Also, RAM. I probably won't OC so I'm thinking 2X512
> and not Corsair.

It really depend on how much preformance you want. The more expensive ram can run tighter timings, which makes a system feel snappier. The average user wont really notice the preformance but if your a benchmark whore you will. If your not too worried about timings have a look at Twinmos or perhaps some Corsair value RAM. If you want good timings OCZ make some affordable high preformance RAM.

P.S its a stupid idea to build a system hoping it will run DOOM3 wait for Doom to be released play it on some mates PC etc and then build a system based on what you feel makes the game playable to your standard. There are so many people out there asking "i want a pc to play doom" that like asking a baker to bake you a cake so that you wont be hungry in a weeks time. The baker has no idea how hungry you will be in a weeks time.

Elephant
28-07-2004, 08:29 PM
> Hi PressF1ers
>
> I want to build a PC that can play Doom3 - this is my
> primary spec.

Welcome to PressF1

As far as I know Doom3 is not yet about so how can I try it on my system?

As I have not yet tried it I can't tell you. I recently downloaded a trial of HALO and it ran quite well on my system. I have 1 Gig ram, FX5700 video card and a AMD3200+ CPU. I also have two 120Gig seagate and one of these is used as a backup for the other. No RAID configuration yet. This off a Soltek board.

First pick a CPU then pick motherboard with an AGP slot to suit. I would not advise onboard graphics.

kiki
28-07-2004, 08:30 PM
Apparently Doom3 will run on a MX440.

Pete O\'Neil
28-07-2004, 08:36 PM
> Apparently Doom3 will run on a MX440.

Wow that was a great contribution to the discussion. Honestly would you play DOOM3 on a MX440? I wouldnt even play BF1942 or Halo on a MX440 let alone a game based on a engine far far superior to anything on the market already (with the exception of Farcry, although id like to see you play farcry on a MX440).

Games have minimum specs and they also have reckonmended specs, playing games on a PC that just meets the minimum specs is horriably painful. Theres a reason games have reckonmended specs, funnily enough because its reckonmended.

Spacemannz
28-07-2004, 08:59 PM
Just read Doom 3 needs 2k or XP. Anything lower it wont run. So, you'll need XP or 2000 as the os. Just in case you were planning on installing anything like 95/98/me

lagbort
28-07-2004, 09:13 PM
i play far cry on my dads computer with an mx440, it runs great (abliet at lowest settings, bar a couple) but there is absolutely no slowdown whatsoever. the mx440 is a good solid performer as long as you dont want to run bleeding edge eye candy

bigbadsi
28-07-2004, 09:18 PM
Thanks for your comments Pete

From what you've said I gather that it's pointless building a PC now if I want to play doom3, and I should wait six months before building a PC at all - if I expect to play current games anytime in the future.

Damn!

I suspect doom3 will be old news in six months and a new generation of games will utilize this expected new technology. But I've been waiting ten years to play doom3!

Right, I'll wait until 2 August 2004, check the forums and then build.

This is really painful.

Thanks for comments.

Si

mikebartnz
28-07-2004, 09:44 PM
>And a P4.
AMD are better value when it comes to games and if you can get a 64.

dipstick01
28-07-2004, 09:54 PM
MX440??

Hell thats all I run in my machine and I play bf1942 and vietnam. Also add in Rise of Nations, Command and Conquer and whatever else I am in the mood for. Works fine for me

metla
28-07-2004, 10:30 PM
Doom3 requires a 512mb video card to play in ulta high mode,they won't be on the market till near the end of the year,they will be super expensive and in short supply,so you may as well stop looking to the future and look at the present,and that means the 9800pro,excellent price and bucketloads of power,No card in exsistence will play doom3 at its highest levels...all cards on the market will play doom3 at some level,so match your budget up with whats available and make a purchase.

Aside from that,There are 2 excellent threads at Madonion about doom3 system specs

Here (http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Board=techdisplayadapters&Number=4137544) and here (http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Board=gaminggeneral&Number=4138089)


In other worrds,Buy the best that fits your budget.


But not an g4mx,These people are living in fantasy land.

kiki
28-07-2004, 11:20 PM
> Wow that was a great contribution to the discussion. Honestly would you play DOOM3 on a MX440? I wouldnt even play BF1942 or Halo on a MX440 let alone a game based on a engine far far superior to anything on the market already (with the exception of Farcry, although id like to see you play farcry on a MX440).

Quote from original post: "I want to build a PC that can play Doom3"

The MX440 will play it! :p Would I play Doom3 on a MX440? No. I upgraded and wouldn't go back now. In saying that, my MX440 played Far Cry, BF-V, BF1942, Halo and anything else I threw at it with no problems at 1024x768x32 low details. It was actually pretty good, but you miss out on a lot of details like birds, fish etc in Far Cry. So yes, it has been done. My point was that even a MX440 can play it, who cares how useful it was to the discussion.



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Gods-Hitman
28-07-2004, 11:34 PM
Hey,
Like most people have told you, wait because with all the NEW Mobos with DDR 2 support and things and with 64Bit computering coming into play, PCI-E well yea you get it...
are you going to play Hl2?

and also whats the clock speeds on a MX440?

metla
28-07-2004, 11:37 PM
Bah,there is always something on the horozin that will give a small increase in performance,that will be in short supply and expensive.

And when its available in large numbers at a realistic price then once again there will be some new tech on the horizen big on hype that will be expensive,hard to get......

Gods-Hitman
28-07-2004, 11:45 PM
Dude PCI-E is not a small increase in performance is 8x to 16x

metla
28-07-2004, 11:51 PM
Current cards on the market don't make any use of 8xagp as it is,how is switching to pci going to make the cards faster?

Simple,it does nothing untill the cards are developed that can make use of the extra bandwidth,not the generation,not next but probally the generation after that you will find the very top end cards running faster on the PCIe slot,by then any mobo bought in the next 6 months to a year is redundent anyway.

As it is all pcie cards on the market or due to come on the market are the exact same cards as the agp equilvent,just with a bridge on them to go into another slot,so far they either have the exact same or slower performance then the same card on the agp slot.

So Dude yourself

And Rock n Roll over.

metla
28-07-2004, 11:52 PM
edit

should say-not this generation

Pete O\'Neil
29-07-2004, 09:40 AM
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Pibs
29-07-2004, 09:59 AM
Let's not get personal with the comments, a bit of humour O.K, but please keep the forum standards, we all have opinions and different levels of spelling etc, so please let us state and use them them without getting nasty.

Pibs.

Pibs
29-07-2004, 10:04 AM
See what I mean? Remove 1 "them" sorry about that.
Pibs

kiki
29-07-2004, 06:08 PM
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Pete O\'Neil
29-07-2004, 07:00 PM
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bigbadsi
29-07-2004, 07:46 PM
OK, so I should probably wait for the new mobos with DDR2 and useful 64 bit support and PCI-E, but...

But if I NEED to build now, a consensus of sorts suggests I should look at an AMD64, a 9800pro and XP.

And my feeling is that 2X512 RAM is the way to go. Should I look at any specific RAM configuration beyond this?

I have 2.5K to primarily spend on a motherboard, CPU, video card, case, HD, PS and OS.

Questions:

the AMD64 I should look at?
the 9800pro make?
which 512 RAM to choose?
how much PS, and solid brandname(s)?
a motherboard to tie everything together?
and a case (functional not necessarily pretty)?

I'm really not sure what to do. I've pre-ordered Doom3 and I'm pretty horny to play it ASAP and not in six months.

I appreciate everyone's comments.

Si

kiki
29-07-2004, 07:47 PM
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fus1_n
29-07-2004, 07:50 PM
> and also whats the clock speeds on a MX440?

lets all have a laugh!
--------------------------------------------
Powercolor Radeon X800 Pro video card, 256MB DDR3, 8XAGP, TV Out, DVI

ATi Radeon X800 Pro GPU
Core Clock: 475MHz
256MB 2.0ns 256-bit GDDR3
Memory Clock: 900MHz (450MHz x 2)
Cooling Fan
---------------------------------------------

PowerColor Radeon 9600 XT video card, 128MB DDR, 8XAGP, VIVO, DVI, Bravo Edition

ATi Radeon 9600XT GPU
Core Clock: 500MHz
128MB 2.5ns 128-bit DDR
Memory Clock: 680MHz (340MHz x 2)
with Overdrive Function
Engine Pipe line: 4
PCB Layer: 6
Cooling Fan

----------------------------------------------------

Albatron GeForce4 MX440 video card, 64MB DDR, GeForce4 MX440, 8XAGP, TV Out

Grapics Engine:GeForce4 MX440-8X
Memory Size:64MB DDR
Memory Bus:64bit <-------- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Engine Clock:275MHz <---------HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
RAMDAC:350MHz
Max. Resolution:2048X1536@75Hz
Bus Standard:8X / 4X
VGA Output:
TV-out:
(doesn't even have a fan!!!!!)

mikebartnz
29-07-2004, 08:05 PM
>that I'm older and more mature than a little child like you.
Please prove it. :D

metla
29-07-2004, 11:06 PM
> Current cards on the market don't make any use of
> 8xagp as it is,how is switching to pci going to make
> the cards faster?
>
> Simple,it does nothing untill the cards are developed
> that can make use of the extra bandwidth,not the
> generation,not next but probally the generation after
> that you will find the very top end cards running
> faster on the PCIe slot,by then any mobo bought in
> the next 6 months to a year is redundent anyway.
>
> As it is all pcie cards on the market or due to come
> on the market are the exact same cards as the agp
> equilvent,just with a bridge on them to go into
> another slot,so far they either have the exact same
> or slower performance then the same card on the agp
> slot.
>
> So Dude yourself
>
> And Rock n Roll over.



Amazing how people ignore what they don't want to read.

DDR2 and PCIe my naked arse.

bigbadsi
30-07-2004, 12:17 AM
Bo,

Without sounding a repetive dickhead, what should I do:

the AMD64 I should look at?
the 9800pro make?
which 512 RAM to choose?
how much PS, and solid brandname(s)?
a motherboard to tie everything together?
and a case (functional not necessarily pretty)?

Tell me, I don't know.

Si

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 12:30 AM
> the AMD64 I should look at?

Yes.

> the 9800pro make?

Sapphire

> which 512 RAM to choose?

Up it to 1 gig I would say. Corsair, Mushkin, OCZ... all good in the hood.

> how much PS, and solid brandname(s)?

Enermax, Antec, Thermaltake. Much of a muchness really, but anything around the 420W should be good.

> a motherboard to tie everything together?

I defer to Metla for AMD mobos... I am biased towards Intel...

> and a case (functional not necessarily pretty)?

Well, any decent case will come with a PSU - so maybe you won't need to buy a separate PSU. Save your pennies for other bits and pieces. A decent soundcard maybe?

> Tell me, I don't know.

I just did. Now go buy buy buy!! ;)

Lo.

metla
30-07-2004, 12:31 AM
hmmm....what part of the country are you in?,it maybe an idea to look at something local and see what range and prices they have.

And maybe aproach a couple of stores via email and ask for a quote,tell them your basic specs and how much you want to pay.

metla
30-07-2004, 12:34 AM
>I defer to Metla for AMD mobos... I am biased towards Intel...

To be honest i've been ignoring AMD 64-bit mobo's untill the market settles and we have some clear cut diamonds available,...so i...uh....defer to someone else......

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 12:37 AM
> >I defer to Metla for AMD mobos... I am biased
> towards Intel...
>
> To be honest i've been ignoring AMD 64-bit mobo's
> untill the market settles and we have some clear cut
> diamonds available,...so i...uh....defer to someone
> else......

Hmmm - I would actually wait until the new Intel Chipset is officially released... then go nuts buying up on the older chipset.

I can't see a performance increase that really justifies moving towards this new platform. The fact that it's really 1st Gen stuff again turns me off. I would rather push the existing chipset to its fullest.

I can see myself giving the dirty eye to the P4 Extreme Editions once the new chipset is released... the price drop will be impressive (hopefully!)...

Lo.

bigbadsi
30-07-2004, 12:43 AM
I'm in Wellington. The only PC specialist, on Vivian Street, seems to massively over-charge for everything, .... PC Spy seems much cheeper. He's fun to talk to though, and I would like to support his shop.

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 12:44 AM
What's your budget?

bigbadsi
30-07-2004, 12:47 AM
2.5K

metla
30-07-2004, 12:57 AM
> 2.5K


Is that including monitor,speakers,keybaord,mouse,software?

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 01:00 AM
Ok... all prices taken from Pricespy (http://www.pricespy.co.nz/).

AMD 64 3200+ = $399.32 incl GST from Super Cheap Computers (http://supercheappc.biz/site/index.php?cPath=1_17_57)

Abit AV8 K8T800PRO S939 SATA RAID GBLAN ATX mobo = $315 incl GST from PCTronix (http://www.pctronix.co.nz/cart/index.php?cPath=28_41).

Radeon 9800pro 700mhz 256Mb 256bit Ddr Agp8/4x = $717.35 incl GST from PC Gear (http://www.pcgear.co.nz/customer/home.php?cat=934).

Twinmos DDR400 512Mb RAM 32Mx8 16 chips PC3200 (X 2) = $348.76 incl GST from EZone Computers (http://www.ezonecomputers.co.nz/pricelist.php?producttypeid=3003&producttype=Memory).

Total spend is $1780.43 incl GST.

You could even go to an AMD FX51 or AMD FX53 if you wanted to.

Lo.

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 01:00 AM
> > 2.5K
>
>
> Is that including
> monitor,speakers,keybaord,mouse,software?

Nah man... 1st post he says he's going to re-use from his old PC...

Lo.

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 01:02 AM
I feel all.... DIRTY... I just priced an AMD system. :_|

Lo.

metla
30-07-2004, 01:10 AM
> I feel all.... DIRTY... I just priced an AMD
> system. :_|
>
> Lo.


Welcome to the dark side brother,come in by the fire and drink some mead.:D

Lohsing
30-07-2004, 01:13 AM
I have to admit, I'm completely underwhelmed by the latest offerings from Intel.

I might just squeeze that last drop of performance out of my 875P chipset if you don't mind Metla ;)

Lo.

Murray P
30-07-2004, 01:15 AM
> I'm in Wellington. The only PC specialist, on Vivian Street, seems to massively over-charge for
> everything, .... PC Spy seems much cheeper. He's fun to talk to though, and I would like to
> support his shop

You need to look a bit further than Vivian St for a specialist unless, you wandered into the wrong shop ;)

Go nForce chipset, Abit, Asus possibly Gigabyte. Get a goodish case with PSU and use the onboard sound in the meantime so you can get the board, CPU, video card and RAM you want (need).

Cheers Murray P

metla
30-07-2004, 01:16 AM
alrighty,i've just scanned apricelist or 2 so don't take this as written in stone...

AMD K8 64bit Athlon 3500 (939 pin)

sus, A8V Deluxe, (Socket 939, VIA K8T800Pro chipset, 4 x 184pin DIMM support Dual Channel Memory DDR400, AGP 8X, serial ATA RAID 0+1, 8 x USB2, 8-CH audio, Marvell Gigabit Lan, 2 x 1394, ASUS C.O.P.,Q-Fan. 5 PCI, Supports 802.11g & AMD Cool 'n' Quiet Technology)

Geil PC3500 1GB, 4.5ns GL2000 Chip CAS 2, Dual Channel ( 512MBx2 )

GIGABYTE ATI 9800PRO 128MB

A couple of S-Ata drives in whatever size fits your budget

Same with the case.

THE DOOOOOOOMINATOR.

Damn,looks so sweet i may have to build one for myself.

metla
30-07-2004, 01:17 AM
oh dear,I somehow cut the A off ASUS.

kiki
30-07-2004, 01:42 AM
Motherboard maybe the MSI K8N Neo2 (nForce3 Ultra) ?

Biggles
30-07-2004, 09:35 AM
I've cleaned up what is otherwise a decent thread. The rules aren't hard, they aren't complicated, and they are there for a reason, one of which is so I don't have to waste my time cleaning up a thread when I could be doing more productive things. It makes me bitchy and I'm liable to do something bitchy as a result. And since I'm off the coffee today since I feel guilty about it when I visit the dentist (as I will do today) I am even more bitchy than usual.

Suffice to say that the discussion of relative maturity and intelligence that took place here between two folks served only to demonstrate that neither is capable of reading instructions, which indicates both are lacking in some measure of maturity and intelligence. Or maybe they were both off the coffee too. I choose to believe the later for now. Please do not repeat the exercise.

Budda
30-07-2004, 09:44 AM
and back onto the actual topic

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0
you could try this they reckon they are teaming up with id software to bring this guid but your best option is to prob wait till it comes out, look what happened with halo and some nividia cards no one saw that coming and they ran really bad with it

metla
30-07-2004, 10:19 AM
I fail to see how the "coded by a monkey" Halo had anything to do with Nvidia cards,The game had issues,not the hardware.

Biggles
30-07-2004, 12:53 PM
Definately, Halo had performance issues NOT seen on Nvidia cards with other games. My Ti 4400 choked on Halo at 1024 x 768!!! - runs absolutely fine on Far Cry at the same res, with much more eye candy on show.

metla
30-07-2004, 12:58 PM
Halo had issues with all brands of cards, Billions (excuse me while I exaggerate a tad) of ATI users reported performance issues.

We can presume this was left as is due to them not giving a damn about PC users,while DOOM3 is being produced specificly for the PC market they will no doubt do everything to their ability to ensure that the game runs swish on as much hardware as possible.

tech_meister
30-07-2004, 01:53 PM
I Just built an AMD 64 3000+ system with a Albatron Via chipset
m/b, this system was scary fast, even without using the 64 bits
It was much faster than all the P4 systems I've built, in fact I was
quite suprised how fast it was. I can recommed the Amd 64.

metla
31-07-2004, 02:29 PM
THE DOOOMINATOR (http://www.computermedic.co.nz/items.php?item_id=375)

Lohsing
31-07-2004, 03:09 PM
> THE DOOOMINATOR (http://www.computermedic.co.nz/items.php?item_id=
> 75)

Oh no you didn't...

Lo.

metla
31-07-2004, 03:17 PM
> Oh no you didn't...


Didn't what?

Build one for myself?.....no.......Only recently got my laptop,it will be a few months before i update my desktop,which has rapidly fallen behind the times and needs to be replaced,

Chilling_Silence
31-07-2004, 03:18 PM
The PC is nice but I think the Graphics Card could do with a little upgrade for a system of that spec's ;-)

metla
31-07-2004, 03:20 PM
Indeed,But the new range or cards are in short supply,When they show up in my pricelists it will be replaced by one of the top end nvidia cards....which are currently spanking ATI in Opengl performance.

metla
31-07-2004, 03:32 PM
Done,now with a Gigabyte GeForce 6800Ultra,256MB, 256bit, DDRIII AGP8X,TV-Out, Video-in, 2xDVI-I,And it only adds 1000 odd dollars to the price.

Elephant
31-07-2004, 03:41 PM
And it still won't be a 512 Meg card will it. I note that we need that much to play in Ultra mode.
:-)

Chilling_Silence
31-07-2004, 03:47 PM
Point taken - but regardless, it beats the pants off my OnBoard SiS M650 ;-)

Elephant
31-07-2004, 03:55 PM
It would beat the poo out of my FX5700 as well but I'm not about to change real soon now. :-)

dipstick01
31-07-2004, 05:28 PM
so Metla......what is the price on ya doominator??

metla
01-08-2004, 02:16 AM
Roughly 4 grand,or just over 5 with a syncmaster,speakers and OS.

ugh1
01-08-2004, 02:54 PM
On the MX440 bashing..

I have one, been using it now for just over a year doing normal GUI, Video and gaming.

It does not excel in any particular area, but it is no slacker in any area either.

It seems to be a good "middle of the road card" and I don't feel guilty recommending it for normal PC usage.

Also it seems the gaming industry has adopted it as a "baseline" for the engines and I do not doubt that will change in the near future.

The "game heads" do not seem to care much about anything else but the size of their MHz :D

At the price the MX440 cards are at the moment buying one for a new system until you figure out what fancy card is needed is not a bad idea in my mind as it beats any on board video.

metla
01-08-2004, 03:12 PM
There are still people out there that think the MK2 Cortina is a good handling car with excellent performance,or that the 4.1 falcon motor is a good piece of eginering.....Maybe back in 69,Times have changed.


Because people don't know any better does not make them correct,and you should not be recommending the g4mx to anybody,the very lowest card worth buying is the 5700,Especially as the price difference is the equilivent of 1 game.

ugh1
01-08-2004, 06:01 PM
> There are still people out there that think the MK2
> Cortina is a good handling car with excellent
> performance,or that the 4.1 falcon motor is a good
> piece of eginering.....Maybe back in 69,Times have
> changed.

Hay, if it gets you from A to B what more do you need? even with the high cost of petrol at the moment I do not see people running out to buy cars with better fuel economy, I wonder why?

>
>
> Because people don't know any better does not make
> them correct,and you should not be recommending the
> g4mx to anybody,the very lowest card worth buying is
> the 5700,Especially as the price difference is the
> equilivent of 1 game.

What is the point of spending hundreds of dollars on a graphics card that someone is only going to use for GUI and Video playback?

If I had a choice to pay <$100 or $300 for a graphics card to show a desktop I know which one I would get.

Also for the few times I play UT2004 the mx440 does the job.

If the size of your MHz is important then spend $$$$$ on a card :D

metla
01-08-2004, 10:02 PM
>>What is the point of spending hundreds of dollars on a graphics card that someone is only going to use for GUI and Video playback?


Whats the point of spending $99 on a graphics card when the comp is only to be used for windows and video?

Might as well buy a $999 Dell if your gonna restrict it to tech from 1998.

bigbadsi
08-08-2004, 03:23 AM
Crikey,

Someone has almost talked me into a 939 chipset. Future expandability, or some such expensiveness madness.

This is how it goes

Asus A8V Deluxe VIA K8T800Pro
Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz Socket 939
Radeon 9800 Pro 256Mb 673.88
512Mb PC3200 DDR400 SDRAM x2

Total: about $2,600 (Ouch!)

Is this INSANE, or at all reasonable given I'm now prepared to spend some pinga.

Someone please tell me that this is lunacy.

Si

bigbadsi
08-08-2004, 03:33 AM
Oh,

$2,600 includes Win XP, HD and a DVD-writer.

Si

R2x1
08-08-2004, 04:11 AM
Doesn't seem outrageous, Remember what Terry Patchett, noted IT consultant and Games Fiend said on the subject.

>But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who
>could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry
>in ten years' time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would
>have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have
>wet feet.
> This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic
>unfairness.
>> "Men at Arms"

R2

metla
08-08-2004, 11:03 AM
I think you have been given good advice,The intel offerings at the moment don't have any of the performance offered by that chip and are about $1400 more expensive.....and that is only comparing the cpu's.

I think anybody looking at buying a new comp would do well to see if they can afford a 939 pin setup.

AMD have raised the bar by a large margin.

Lohsing
08-08-2004, 11:09 AM
Metla - what's the timeframe for getting a 6800 Ultra Extreme into NZ?

The ultimate rig must be an AMD with that card for Doom??

Lo.

metla
08-08-2004, 12:19 PM
Timeframe?

No idea,i'm having trouble getting straight answers from nearly everyone about sourcing any of the latest generation cards.

They want me to backorder then sit and wait.

So yeah,Im still looking.

kiki
08-08-2004, 02:41 PM
The Ultra Extreme is just a factory overclocked version of the Ultra. Why not just get the Ultra and overclock that to UE speeds? Or better and cheaper get the GT and overclock that?

Lohsing
08-08-2004, 03:23 PM
> The Ultra Extreme is just a factory overclocked
> version of the Ultra. Why not just get the Ultra and
> overclock that to UE speeds? Or better and cheaper
> get the GT and overclock that?

I don't think the Ultra Extreme is a factory overclocked version of the Ultra. There are assumptions that it is, but until someone gets a retail card to benchmark, you can only assume it is.

Lo.

bigbadsi
11-08-2004, 07:44 PM
Hi PressF1ers

I know this thread is now old, but I've now arrived at the follwing and would appreciate comment:

Asustek A8V Deluxe (939) mobo - $301.50
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz Socket 939 - $610.00
Radeon 9800 Pro 256Mb - $673.88
2x 512Mb PC3200 DDR400 Dual Channel RAM - $318.00
Windows XP Home - $250.00
Seagate 80Gb 7200rpm Serial ATA - $133.65
LiteOn LDW-812S Dual Format 8X DVD Writer - $180.00
Case/PSU@420W - $200.00

Total NZ$2,667.03

I've seen the Doom3 benchmarks and this setup seems appropriate.

My only issues are: given the mobo/CPU combo is proving quite expensive should I instead spend more on the video card and should I go for dual channel RAM or simply the vanilla variety?

Also its been suggested the the 128 Radeon is faster than the 256?

I welcome all comments.

Si

metla
11-08-2004, 08:42 PM
Due to the large textures used in Doom3 i believe the cards with more ram are now warrented(but only if the video chipset can make use of it)....having said that,you could get a 9800pro for about 200 less.

Other then that,you should be able to get xp for about $50 less.

kiki
11-08-2004, 10:01 PM
Get the MSI 9800 Pro if you do get one. <$450

Get better RAM. You should be able to get a good brand and reasonable latency.

XP Pro.

bigbadsi
12-08-2004, 10:34 PM
An interesting post:

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0LDIxhttp://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0LDIx

Seems Doom 3 is very forgiving with low specs PCs.

Now I'm really confused!

Si

metla
12-08-2004, 10:38 PM
any chance you could redo the link?

bigbadsi
12-08-2004, 10:48 PM
Oops....

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0LDIx

Lohsing
12-08-2004, 10:51 PM
> Get better RAM. You should be able to get a good
> brand and reasonable latency.

Kiki - Why do you promote low latency ram? Why not a higher bandwidth one instead of a lower latency one?

Lo.

fus1_n
12-08-2004, 10:55 PM
> Get the MSI 9800 Pro if you do get one. <$450
Yes. go the MSI. It is an excelent card. It over clocks so well it beats the XT even when the XT is overclocked.
http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=04vga00r9800promsi00000r9800pro0105

> Get better RAM. You should be able to get a good
> brand and reasonable latency.
>
> XP Pro.
there is no point in XP Pro for the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th time.

look at an x800pro

metla
12-08-2004, 10:57 PM
> Seems Doom 3 is very forgiving with low specs PCs.
>
> Now I'm really confused!



uh......The better the rig,the better the picture quality and framerate=KICK ARSE GAMEPLAYING SHANNINGENS

The article pretty much says you can play it on low detail with the recomended specs,and of course mention numerous times that the better the rig the better the game runs.

Why are you confused?

I would be confused if you bought an AMD1700,368mb ram,Nvidia 5700 and called it a doominator.

kiki
12-08-2004, 10:57 PM
> Kiki - Why do you promote low latency ram? Why not a higher bandwidth one instead of a lower latency one?

Like PC4000, DDR500 instead of PC3200 DDR400??

Yeah that would work as you could run the RAM at 400Mhz and then lower the timings a bit. Just depends on which works out to be cheaper. ;)

Growly
12-08-2004, 11:01 PM
1) What's all this admin editing business?

2) I run every game on an MX420 - smoothly. They don't look great, but I can still win.

bigbadsi
12-08-2004, 11:23 PM
I'm confused because it seems you can play Doom 3 on a cheap arse PC and really enjoy it!

Should I want to spend $3K on a new box if I suspect I can play the game on my aging GF3 card?

Also, Doom 3 won't install on anything other than WinXP.

SI

metla
12-08-2004, 11:28 PM
There is a work around for installing Doom on earlier operating systems.

And of course you can enjoy DOOM on any rig that can run it,Thats because its an excellent game.

gf3 will be streching it a bit,but should be playable at low detail.

bigbadsi
13-08-2004, 12:00 AM
Guys,

Is this over the top (the Mobo/CPU) and should I spend on the recent cards?

Asustek A8V Deluxe Motherboard 301.50
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz Socket 939 610.00
Radeon 9800 Pro 256Mb 673.88
512Mb PC3200 DDR400 DUAL CHANNEL RAM 318.00
Windows XP Home 250.00
Seagate 80Gb 7200rpm Serial ATA 133.65
LiteOn LDW-812S Dual Format 8X DVD Writer 180.00
Case/PSU 200.00

Total 2,667.03

metla
13-08-2004, 12:06 AM
Havent we already been over this?

If you need talking into a large purchase by a bunch of strangers then its probbaly not a good idea.

Sleep on it for a week.

kiki
13-08-2004, 12:15 AM
> Should I want to spend $3K on a new box if I suspect I can play the game on my aging GF3 card?

You mean to say you're seriously considering spending up to $3000 on a new PC on a game that you've never even tried? You might not even like it?

Why don't you buy it first and see if it runs on your current system.