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MartynC
13-05-2004, 10:13 AM
About to buy a new Graphics card, just wonder if I should get either a:

I) PowerColor ATI Radeon 9600XT Bravo Edition( 500/680MHz ), 128MB 128-bit DDR, AGP 8X, CRT+DVI-I+S-Video out; or a
II) Leadtek WinFast GeForce FX5700 (A360TD 256MB MyVIVO), 256MB DDR, MyVIVO

Any ideas would be appreciated ?:|

Sb0h
13-05-2004, 11:03 AM
With reference to Metla's earlier post re ATI vs Nvidia many of us are a little biased in our recommendations regarding video cards (and cpu's etc). Personally I would run the Radeon, in fact I was looking at purchasing a 9600XT recently but then decided to stump up the extra cash for the 9800 pro. You won't notice any difference with the 256MB on the FX5700 vs the 128MB on the 9600XT so that shouldn't be an issue.

The Radeon 9600XT runs cool and quiet and great performance for the price, definitely my pick.

Good luck

Davesdad
13-05-2004, 02:19 PM
Have a look at this link http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html

kiki
13-05-2004, 02:49 PM
To get a Nvidia card to match the performance of the 9600XT, you would have to get at least a 5700 Ultra.

And I'm not too sure why you want to get a more expensive Powercolor 9600XT. I'm not sure Powercolor make the best 9600xt either. You can get a Gigabyte 9600XT (still very respectable) for only $312 at Ascent. Why pay an extra $100 more?

Also I saw a article at Anandtech about the 5700 and 9600 series, and it said that the Gigabyte card was the fastest of the 9600XTs. I'll have a look for it...

kiki
13-05-2004, 03:00 PM
Vendor Graphics Card Roundup (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1955&p=26)

Look back through the article and you'll see the test setups etc.

Sb0h
13-05-2004, 03:39 PM
FWIW my previous card was a Powercolor Geforce2 and it was crap. Now I'm not saying all Powercolor cards are crap, just from my experience the build quality was not the best. Mind you I bought that card a few years ago now and we all know how quickly technology changes.

I've been a fan of the Gigabyte mainboards, bought one for my latest PC build and also the Gigabyte 9800 Pro....couldn't be happier with the system, rock solid straight out of the box.

Pete O\'Neil
13-05-2004, 04:13 PM
The card listed above is actually the Powercolour 9600XT Bravo which is one of the fastest 9600XT's on the market. This becuase it has faster ram. E.g 680mhz as opposed to the stock 600mhz. That card will clean house againist any Gigabyte card(gigabyte cards run at stock), and will totally destroy the FX5700 Ultra

Sb0h
13-05-2004, 04:27 PM
Really, if you are looking at a 9600XT they are all going to perform fairly close to each other. Whether one manufacturers card is one or two frames faster than another is not going to be detectable by your eyes (only benchmarks). Just make sure you check out the warranty offered and get the best support you can for your money.

Certainly for the price the 9600XT kicks butt, no question.

fergie
13-05-2004, 06:45 PM
go for the 9600XT, or, get a 5700 Ultra (but i'd still go for the XT over the Ultra)

kiki
13-05-2004, 06:48 PM
> The card listed above is actually the Powercolour 9600XT Bravo which is one of the fastest 9600XT's on the market. This becuase it has faster ram. E.g 680mhz as opposed to the stock 600mhz. That card will clean house againist any Gigabyte card(gigabyte cards run at stock), and will totally destroy the FX5700 Ultra

I guess thats a big difference then. But would you pay $400 odd for that card or spend a few more dollars and get a 9700pro or a 9800pro??

robert6655
13-05-2004, 07:31 PM
well personally i would wait a month or so for the new cards, and then probably buy a 5900 ultra or 5950 when the price drops.

but thats just me i have had nothing but bad experiences from every ati card i have ever used

Pete O\'Neil
14-05-2004, 09:18 AM
it be near impossiable to get a 9700pro now but the 9800pro are readily avaliable, i think the cheapest pricespy has is about $460ish, worth considering if your willing to pay $400. Im sure the Bravo can be had for under $400 if you shop around, have a look for the Gexcube Extreme edition its the same thing with faster ram. It should be cheaper than powercolour.

kiki
14-05-2004, 03:47 PM
Pete, what do you reckon the prices will drop by as soon as the Radeon X800 and Geforce 6800 series get to NZ????

metla
14-05-2004, 04:10 PM
Prices are as low as they will go,the reserves of the existing cards will soon be depleted.

Pete O\'Neil
14-05-2004, 05:17 PM
if we're lucky we might see the Radeon 9800pro come down to $400 but i really really doubt it. In the US the Radeon 9800pro is selling for around the $200 US mark, so taking into account the exchange rate i personally feel we are being swindled.

kiki
14-05-2004, 08:37 PM
What would be your pick then if you had around $300 ???

Pete O\'Neil
15-05-2004, 09:15 AM
I dont think you could go wrong with a stock standard 9600XT, it will beat any nVidia offering at the same price. I wouldnt worry about Powercolour Bravo its not really worth the extra money. Just go to pricespy and find the cheapest card near you. Dont worry about brand as they are all the same card underneath with different HSF on top (althought stay away from Triplex).

http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_2743.html

fergie
15-05-2004, 04:35 PM
Hi have a standard 9600XT 256mb (actually - i think its the Lite version)

My pc is:
AMD XP 1800+
768mb DDR RAM
AGP 8x for the vid card

i guess thats all the important stuff - but i can play all the latest games (so far) no probs

I played CoD with all the settings and resoultion maxed out.
I have teh UT 2k4 demo - can put those settings up high - no probs
I can play BF:V with medium settings and its normal - if i max them out - i get quite choppy gameplay.
And i reckon a new CPU would help this anyway.

hope that helps

kiki
15-05-2004, 06:13 PM
If I had a 4x AGP slot and put one of these newer cards in it, like a 9600xt am I going to see much performance decrease from not having 8x AGP?

I remember reading an article a few weeks ago how having an 8x AGP slot only provides a few more FPS than 4x. That sound about right?

Pete O\'Neil
15-05-2004, 06:33 PM
Yeah your right your wont notice a difference really, just make sure that your card is backwards compatiable, sometimes the voltages dont match up

kiki
16-05-2004, 02:22 AM
Thanks for the info Pete. :)

What about the latest generation of video cards e.g. the Radeon X800xt, will they be reaching the bandwidth limits of 4x agp yet, or have they surpassed it?

fergie
16-05-2004, 04:57 PM
I'd say so.
They're developing (or have developed) a new interface - named PCI-X ( tihink - help me ppl!)

This is suposedly way faster than AGP and will take over AGP.

The new cards are the first cards that will use this type fo interface (PCI X mobos are coming out now)

kiki
16-05-2004, 05:39 PM
I think the correct term is PCI-E (Short for PCI-Express). PCI-X is something different not to be confused with PCI Express.

PCI Express will be out on the new BTX motherboard standard I believe and offers a lot more bandwidth than 8x agp can by allocating more channels as needed. Whether the new cards can use up that available bandwidth is something else.

MartynC
19-05-2004, 11:50 AM
Hi Everyone

A big thankyou for all your help & ideas with this. I am thinking of going with the ATI Radeon 9600XT Bravo now, or waiting for the 9800 to come down abit.
The only thing i am not sure about is having 128Megs Video Ram on the ATI vs 256Megs on the GeForce, will it effect anything (i will have 1GB system RAM)??? ?:|

Sb0h
19-05-2004, 12:02 PM
As mentioned earlier, 256MB of RAM will not offer any real performance gains over the 128MB except at very high resolutions. To be honest with a 9600 you probably won't be running extreme quality settings at high resolutions anyway so the 256MB becomes irrelevent. I researched the 9800Pro in both 128 and 256 configurations and the 256MB is way overpriced for the tiny performance gain. The 128MB is plenty at this stage....although in another 12 months..... :-)

Sb0h
19-05-2004, 12:09 PM
Actually I see Ascent have the GeCube 9600XT on "special" at the moment for $320 and the 256MB version of the same card for $344, so for the extra $24 get the 256MB.

Susan B
19-05-2004, 01:30 PM
> As mentioned earlier, 256MB of RAM will not offer any real performance gains over the 128MB except at very high resolutions.

Around 18 months ago when trying to decide on my graphics card I was reading reports that 64MB was recommended as cards with 128MB were a bit of an overkill since the extra RAM wouldn't be utilised. Now we have to choose between 128MB and 256MB.

Technology never stands still. :-)

-=JM=-
19-05-2004, 04:24 PM
The card with 256MB of memory will generally be slower generally so will generally not perform as well in current games that don't need that much memory in the first place.