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robsonde
16-04-2004, 11:39 AM
Anyone who has not seen the number for the new GeForce 6800 Ultra and are in the market for a top of the line graphics card might want to have a read of the review at tomshardware.com


"Compared to the GeForce 6800 Ultra, both the Radeon 9800XT and the FX 5950 Ultra look like outdated toys from the last century."

"As the resolutions increase, the 6800 Ultra's lead over the Radeon 9800XT and the FX 5950 Ultra just keeps growing. "


looks like this card has set a new standard in speed and such like.

metla
16-04-2004, 11:52 AM
Indeed,so far the buzz on this card has been impressive,as im sure the price will be.my guess would be $1200.

One of the benches reported it running a demo at 147fps at 1600x800 with 8xAA and 4xaf,the 9800xt was performing at 48fps....

I believe it also needs a 480w psu to run it.

Nice if you have the money but way out of my leauge,It will be interesting to see if ATI's next card can match it for performance.

Lohsing
16-04-2004, 01:09 PM
> Indeed,so far the buzz on this card has been
> impressive,as im sure the price will be.my guess
> would be $1200.

The retailer I use said it would be cheaper than the FX5900U at the date of release... which would mean a price point under $800 incl GST.

Something to look forward to!

Lo.

metla
16-04-2004, 02:11 PM
I wouldn't put any money on that,There is no way any NZ retailer knows what the price point will be,Nvidia have stated they will try and get it on the US market for the same price as the prior cards on release(US$400) i believe.

Given the exchange rate and the likelyhood of strong worldwide demand,Plus the fact that some US stores have announced a price $499 then its anybodies guess.

However i will eat my shorts if the 6800 ultra is available on release at a cost of $800 inlc gst.

Biggles
16-04-2004, 03:30 PM
I'd say Metla's shorts are safe.

chiefnz
16-04-2004, 04:51 PM
Ok, here's a random question...

How many of you have or would spend close to or over $1000 for a graphics card?

cheers
chiefnz

craig_b
16-04-2004, 05:16 PM
Heres a random answer, yes, I (or my work did) spent 1100 on the graphics card I amusing when I write this. But I wouldn't spend that much on a card for myself personally...

At work I do quite a bit of cad that is greatly aided by a card with powerful 2d rendering capability, something that is often overlooked by most gfx cards, and sadly left to the cpu. Also I run a pair of large monitors, and my old sub $500 card was sweating to render even the most simple image on a single smaller monitor than I run now...

Craig.

Lohsing
16-04-2004, 05:21 PM
Me too.

Bought a Ti4400 when they were first released.

Since then, have bought an FX5900U at time of release too.

Dunno whether it was ever over $1,000 tho... pretty close tho!

Lo.

Big John
16-04-2004, 05:21 PM
> Ok, here's a random question...
>
> How many of you have or would spend close to or over
> $1000 for a graphics card?

Yep, if it was worth it!

Tried playing Far Cry the other day once it finally arrived. My machine handled the demo fine with everything turned all the way up to full and what a feast for the eyes.

The real thing however I had to turn down most. Had to reduce screen size to 1024x768x32. Turn a few of the other things down as well.
Bit of false advertising really with such a stunning demo that the real game can't match on the same machine.

My specs are P4 3Ghz, 1GB Dual channel RAM, GForce FX5900Ultra with latest drivers, Creative Audigy 2ZS sound card with 7.1 speakers. 240GB of Hard drive space set up as 2 a RAID0 2x120GB SATA drives.

All up cost to build was about $6000 in even numbers.

Unreal 2004 however really humms turned full up.

Shaun Minfie
16-04-2004, 05:36 PM
> I'd say Metla's shorts are safe.



Metaphorically speaking

metla
16-04-2004, 05:37 PM
Not me,i struggled along with a g2mx untill the g4ti's dropped down to $250,and it has been able to play every game perfectly this far.

Its only been the recent games that have bogged her down,so its nearly due for an upgrade....but not yet.

mejobloggs
16-04-2004, 09:30 PM
Two problems with the 6800 though. You need 2 power connector thingies for it, so you will have to get rid of either your harddrive, or cd drive, as most people do not have a spare according to tomshardware.

Also, the Radeon 9800 has far better image quality on shading whatsits. For the Farcry game, but apparently 6800 quality will get fixed in a later driver release.

Im still on a gf2, can not afford anything else really. Wish I had a job :-)

Big John
16-04-2004, 10:36 PM
> Two problems with the 6800 though. You need 2 power
> connector thingies for it, so you will have to get
> rid of either your harddrive, or cd drive, as most
> people do not have a spare according to
> tomshardware.

Well I just got a standard 350W PS and it has connectors to burn. And this is using extras for both my GForce card now and also my Sound Card.
Power spliters are very easy to by anyway and you just have to make sure that your power supply can handle the demand.

mejobloggs
16-04-2004, 11:56 PM
ah, so no big deal there then. 480w power supply seems extreme though, for a graphics card. They should have an external plug or something, so you can just plug it into the wall, and get all the power you want. Maybe turn off all the lights first, what a beast.

PoWa
17-04-2004, 12:52 AM
> Two problems with the 6800 though. You need 2 power connector thingies for it, so you will have to get rid of either your harddrive, or cd drive, as most people do not have a spare according to tomshardware.

I have an Enermax 350W in and it has about 15 connectors. I haven't counted exact, but that would be pretty close. It makes managing them difficult, but I know I won't run out.

I'll wait till ATI release their next Generation chip and see what that can do.

Hey anyone watched Paycheck?? Its on at the movies at the moment, go see it I highly reccommend.

Its about this guy and he can reverse engineer anything in 2 months for this company, then they copy it and come up with their own design and re-market it. In the movie they copy these 3d flatscreen monitors.

I reckon thats what they are probably doing. ATI will reverse engineer the nvidia board, to see what makes it tick. Then a few months from now, you'll see an ATI board that will match the Nvidia one and probably perform a little better. ->I predicted it first.<-

mejobloggs
17-04-2004, 11:17 AM
Um, would it be possible for anyone to donate some money to me, so I can get a GF FX at least, before the game gets too much ahead of me?

No? Oh well. hehe.

metla
17-04-2004, 11:29 AM
The next ATI chip is rumoured to have a 200mhz higher clockspeed then the new nvidia card....and is due to hit the streets at the same time as the nvidia chip.

As to the reality,whose to say? but i would guess the new ATI would have to have comparable performance.

Bad luck for them if it hasn't.

Ollie123
18-04-2004, 01:43 AM
Hi,
I have a P2 2.10Ghz, GForce 4 MX440, 20.7GB, Creative Audigy 2ZS sound card with Creative T7700 7.1 speakers.

I just got Far Cry and was going to upgrade the graphics card and mabey the GB's.
What would you recommend for my upgrade.

Thanks

Big John
18-04-2004, 08:33 PM
> Hi,
> I have a P2 2.10Ghz, GForce 4 MX440, 20.7GB, Creative
> Audigy 2ZS sound card with Creative T7700 7.1
> speakers.
>
> I just got Far Cry and was going to upgrade the
> graphics card and mabey the GB's.
> What would you recommend for my upgrade.

You want one with at least 256MB of Ram these days. Especially for Far Cry if you want to play it with all the goddies turned on.

Ollie123
18-04-2004, 11:11 PM
Hi there, are the NVidia GeForce FX5900's good cards?
How much Mb's do they have?
What games work real well on it, could it run something like Far Cry?

Big John
19-04-2004, 10:18 AM
> Hi there, are the NVidia GeForce FX5900's good
> cards?

Yes

> How much Mb's do they have?

256MB
> What games work real well on it, could it run
> something like Far Cry?

All games work well on it. Yes it does play Far Cry but it takes more than just a Graphics card for the latest games to play well. You need good CPU speed and good amount of memory as well.

Pete O\'Neil
19-04-2004, 10:37 AM
How often do you intend to upgrade your video card? 256mb of RAM on a video card is a waste of time unless you buy a 9800XT of FX5950. The FX5900 arent that great in comparison to ATI offering, although it does depend on how much you want to spend? The FX5900XT is great value for money at under $400 but the rest of the FX family are a waste of money. You should start to see the 9800pro drop under $500 soon. This would clean house with the FX5900 series, maybe not the FX5950. Just wait a few more months untill these new graphics card hit the market, they should offer really good preformance at a good price e.g Geforce 6600 whenever it gets released. Oh and how much system RAM do you have? anything less than 512mb will affect preformance. Oh and the P2 never made it to 2.10Ghz

SKT174
19-04-2004, 03:17 PM
Or even better .. wait for the PCI Express :D

Growly
19-04-2004, 05:56 PM
> My specs are P4 3Ghz, 1GB Dual channel RAM, GForce
> FX5900Ultra with latest drivers, Creative Audigy 2ZS
> sound card with 7.1 speakers. 240GB of Hard drive
> space set up as 2 a RAID0 2x120GB SATA drives.
>
> All up cost to build was about $6000 in even
> numbers.


Off topic, but isnt it painful that the same thing could now be built for less than $3000? but thats the way things are... and thats the way things will be when these new cards come out... the 9800 (currently WAAAAAYYY out of my league) will start becoming cheaper... and cheaper...