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kiwi_in_Japan
03-03-2004, 01:52 AM
I must say that I am sad to see that NZ wont be getting high speed Internet anytime soon.
I am currently living in Tokyo and using an ADSL connection rated at 26mbps. This is a Average rate here! the slowest you can buy is 1mbps. Most people use 26mbps. My friends down the road are using fibre optics, and don't pay much more. I only pay an equivalent of $50nzd per month for unlimited access and downloads.
But the most amazing part about this, is that in Tokyo, all the phone lines are above ground on poles and the phone system is still Pulse dialing. Not tone dialing.
If Japan can run High speed over these lines, then why cant NZ get up to date with their systems. I think that NZ consumers are being ripped off by Telecom.
The really sad part is that I come back to NZ to live again, from this september... O how i will miss the speed....

metla
03-03-2004, 01:57 AM
You poor thing,my heart pumps custerd.

PoWa
03-03-2004, 02:07 AM
Is it true it costs like twice as much just to get 56k over there, rather than broadband?

What do you download for your 26mb/s? Are there servers around that supply pron, warez and mp3s at that speed? ;)

26mbps is something we can only dream about.

I'd like to see a couple of big satellites in orbit above NZ to link every house and give them 1Gbit connections with unlimited data. Course to launch some satellites all we have to do is save the money by having no Maori television or maori funding for anything for a few years. We can live with that.

Odin
03-03-2004, 02:25 AM
> If Japan can run High speed over these lines, then
> why cant NZ get up to date with their systems. I
> think that NZ consumers are being ripped off by
> Telecom.

Simple telecom have no competition therefore they don't give a toss about providing up-to-date technology or reasonable pricings. They are quite happy to sit back and post record profits for each quarter in the multi millions of dollars, then turn round and say that they must increase line rentals as they are going broke and then when that is done they give the CEO a nice pay rise of a quarter of a million dollars. The shareholders are happy and that's all that matters, consumers can go take a flying leap :D

Poppa John
03-03-2004, 09:54 AM
ODIN
Even tho we are on Telecom Xtra, I agree whole heartedly with what you say. I sometimes think about our old P & T & wonder if by now THEY would have got "Up to Speed" PJ

Susan B
03-03-2004, 10:11 AM
> You poor thing,my heart pumps custerd.

Want fries with that? :D

metla
03-03-2004, 10:22 AM
Yes please,due to their price structering it doesn't make sence not to get the fries,even if not needed.

Laura
03-03-2004, 11:03 AM
New Zealand - population hit 4 million last year.
How many of them paying monthly internet connection fee? ...I don't know...

Tokyo - population hit record high of 12.38 million last week.
How many paying for internet connection?...I don't know...

Japan - population 126.9 million.
How many....ditto....ditto...

A lot of people living on top of each other makes for cheaper wires & cables.
Here we pay for a lot of empty space ( and the scenery they come here to look at)
Just a thought...

metla
03-03-2004, 11:08 AM
I wonder how many people who actually sign up for jetstream/jetstart actually stay on it,i was in cash coverters yesterday and they had multiple asdl modems for sale.

and i had to laugh,all they have all the ram sitting directly on top of each other(loose) in a wire container....

Laura
03-03-2004, 11:09 AM
And an afterthought...

Kiwi in Japan - What does a decent-sized steak cost you in Tokyo?

metla
03-03-2004, 11:10 AM
edit.

* they had all the ram sitting directly on top of each other(loose) in a wire container....

Jester
03-03-2004, 11:35 AM
> I wonder how many people who actually sign up for
> jetstream/jetstart actually stay on it,i was in cash
> coverters yesterday and they had multiple asdl modems
> for sale.


Reasons could be
a: Needed cash in as flash and something had to go ... ie the high speed internet monthly price, therefore the modem wwas redundant

b: They were USB adsl modems and ethernet routers are so much cheaper these days than in the past, for a better connection overall (and sharing capabilities).

As for the RAM, they didn't have a box full of speakers next to the RAM too did they? lol

J
:D

bk T
03-03-2004, 11:36 AM
> ...
>
> Kiwi in Japan - What does a decent-sized steak cost
> you in Tokyo?

I don't about Tokyo, but the quality of meats available in NZ supermarkets are all 'close to junk' although we are one of the biggest producer of beef and lamb. Good and quality meats are all exported. Poor New Zealanders!

daskip
03-03-2004, 11:57 AM
Yeah that'd be part of it. I'd guess they are running a brand of dsl with shorter range and higher throughput... obviously not suited to NZ. Maybe when adsl2 comes out it will help a little, but not to the speeds hes quoting at all.

On the other hand... Australia has MUCH better DSL pricing/speed/variety than us - and it has much greater distance issues/population density issues (I'm from Melbourne... houses in the burbs are much more spaced, big blocks, etc). So you can't expect what they get in japan because of technological limits - but you CAN expect much better than we get - its just a lack of competition that leaves us behind the rest of the world.

bk T
03-03-2004, 12:25 PM
>... its just a lack of competition that leaves us behind
> the rest of the world.

Fully agree with you, daskip.

metla
03-03-2004, 12:31 PM
The distance/density still only applies to the major centers, Iím sure its more viable to run a feed into suburban Melbourne and its couple million potential customers then to run a feed thru the whop whops into Wanganui with its total population of 25 thousand.

That said, there is no excuse for telecom rates.

daskip
03-03-2004, 06:03 PM
Hahah yup true, true... though the prices out in the whops in Gippsland/tassie/etc are all cheap too (they used to distribute the cost by having metro/regional 1/regional 2 area rates - I can't see it being applied much anymore - see bc.whirlpool.net.au).

fergie
03-03-2004, 06:49 PM
>Good and quality meats are all exported. Poor New Zealanders!

Hehehe... not ALL are exported -my dad is pretty high up at the local meat works, and lets just say, he ocasionally gets to "sample" some meat!

As for the internet - i'm restricted to 30kps max dial up, or ihug satilite where i live - i just can't wait till i finsih school...

o - smells like we having steak tonight :p

kiwi_in_Japan
03-03-2004, 10:52 PM
Is it true it costs like twice as much just to get 56k over there, rather than broadband?

What do you download for your 26mb/s? Are there servers around that supply pron, warez and mp3s at that speed?

PoWa> yes it is true. Dial up costs close to double ADSL. ISDN is also extreme here. Over $120 nz

And what do I download? mmm well....movies, Games, Music Videos etc... Sorry no porn.... :p

kiwi_in_Japan
03-03-2004, 10:57 PM
> And an afterthought...
>
> Kiwi in Japan - What does a decent-sized steak cost
> you in Tokyo?

Well if you can get a Steak in Tokyo... Everyone is scared at the moment due to BSE... Many resturants taking it off the menu... And if ya want chicken?? well you might catch a cold with that stuff...

Yes steak is expensive... about $70 upwards for a average to good meal.

stu140103
03-03-2004, 11:27 PM
> I must say that I am sad to see that NZ wont be
> getting high speed Internet anytime soon.

It depends on where in NZ are going to be living, because there are different high-speed Internet options in different Areas

Like you can get cable in the low north island & south island & if you are going to be living in Auckland then you have Woosh(walker wireless)Wireless Internet & you have all the Jet Stream plans (there will be new Jet Stream plans out latter on in the year, hopefully before September)

That is just an example of what you can get here (do a search of Press F1 for more info), but northing as good as what you get in Japan :|

http://www.netguide.co.nz/isp_directory/index.php?directory=highspeed

Hope this helps :) & enjoy your time her in NZ :)

Lizard
04-03-2004, 06:02 PM
> I am currently living in Tokyo and using an ADSL
> connection rated at 26mbps. This is a Average rate
> here!

Off Topic: This is a long shot, but are you by any chance over in Japan teaching english (i.e. the JET programme or similar)? Just curious, because I've been considering it myself...

kiwi_in_Japan
05-03-2004, 12:17 AM
> Off Topic: This is a long shot, but are you by any
> chance over in Japan teaching english (i.e. the JET
> programme or similar)? Just curious, because I've
> been considering it myself...

Yes.. off the topic.. yes i am teaching english here. No not on the Jet program. We are with a private language school. Both my wife and I are here with our 2 daughters. Great place to live... but miss the greenery of NZ.

PoWa
05-03-2004, 12:27 AM
Whats the living costs over there? For apartment or house?

Octavian.
05-03-2004, 05:34 AM
A few years? We are spending 7 billion $ a year on them. How much do satellites cost?

Mark Veldhuizen
05-03-2004, 08:01 AM
I'm in France - I have 1024k ADSL (download at 120 kbps average) and have unlimited bandwidth, I pay 25 euros (50 NZD) this is the norm here too. Installation and modem are always free (out of the 5 or so ISP's I've seen).

Quite frankly I find it impossible to put up with anything under 512k (uncapped) internet now days, and in most of the modern world, it's the norm.

I think New Zealand will come around, they're just a bit slow.

PoWa
05-03-2004, 12:32 PM
> A few years? We are spending 7 billion $ a year on them. How much do satellites cost?

How much they cost (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/satellite8.htm)

So yeah we could put a couple of them into orbit if a few things changed.

Laura
05-03-2004, 01:10 PM
Off Topic:
You have a good website, Mark.

I'm impressed.....

somebody
06-03-2004, 08:16 AM
I'm just making a guess, but I'd suspect the language school provides an all-expenses-paid stay - apartment, food, transport etc. A friend of mine was offered a similar opportunity, but to go to Korea.

Lizard
06-03-2004, 10:16 AM
> I'm just making a guess, but I'd suspect the language
> school provides an all-expenses-paid stay -
> apartment, food, transport etc. A friend of mine was
> offered a similar opportunity, but to go to Korea.

The programme I looked into - GEOS - paid 250,000 yen/month, estimated that the cost of the single-living apartment would be 50,000 yen/month. The flight to Japan would have to be paid by the employee, but a bonus on completionof contract would pay for the return flight home. Like so many of these programs, it seems great on paper, but until you get over there, you just don't know. And once you're over there, you're kind of committed to it... I'd be keen if I knew that my girlfriend and I could be placed in schools in the same town, so we could share accomodation... But they can't guarantee that... which is a shame...

Growly
06-03-2004, 12:49 PM
It would be better if we all had Gbps Fibre connections....

kiwi_in_Japan
06-03-2004, 02:14 PM
> The programme I looked into - GEOS - paid 250,000
> yen/month, estimated that the cost of the
> single-living apartment would be 50,000 yen/month.

for 50000yen you will be living in a dog box with out a view. Our accomodation is provided by the school and is around 200,000 a month. In the paper I see Rent prices that go us to 2,000,000 a Month... Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world to live. It has been for the last 11 years. (According to a survey)
But prices are dropping....

PoWa
06-03-2004, 03:34 PM
2,000,000 JPY = 26,513.95 NZD
200,000 Japan Yen = 2,651.39 NZD
50,000.00 JPY = 662.849 NZD

Very expensive :p

Lizard
06-03-2004, 10:39 PM
>
> > The programme I looked into - GEOS - paid 250,000
> > yen/month, estimated that the cost of the
> > single-living apartment would be 50,000 yen/month.
>
> for 50000yen you will be living in a dog box with out
> a view. Our accomodation is provided by the school
> and is around 200,000 a month. In the paper I see
> Rent prices that go us to 2,000,000 a Month... Tokyo
> is the most expensive city in the world to live. It
> has been for the last 11 years. (According to a
> survey)

Thanks K in J, that's the kind of info they don't give you... :|